Fans' opinions on referees and opposition

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Thought it was interesting to compare the two set of supporters' opinions on the referee and the opposition team yesterday. Basically, both our and their fans thought the ref was crap and that the other team were dirty cheats.

Is it too difficult for a dedicated fan to judge a referee's performance objectively? Is the rivalry and emotions involved making it impossible to view an opposition player's tackle as a fair one if our player goes to ground? Is there so much diving and attempts to fool the referee nowadays that neither referees nor fans can spot what's real and not?

I watched Switzerland vs Norway on Friday and thought the Spanish referees' performance was one of the best I've seen for a long time, totally unafected by a hostile home crowd and fuming Swiss players. But any Swiss fan at the match would surely say I was mad for thinking that.
 



Interesting stuff Bergen. I cannot believe the reaction to yesterday in terms of Oldham apparantly being a dirty side who cheated and conned their way to a point. Just did not see it at all - I thought they played some decent football and none of the so called incidents were anything unusual to me. Just the usual incidents you get in a game. Yes Oldham were fired up and they got to us and stopped us playing.
 
Well, objectivity is impossible and refereeing decisions are subject to interpretation. Fans are partial.

Nonetheless, I expect them to be able to count. If they indicate three minutes of injury time and there is a two minute injury inside it, they shouldn't play seven minutes.
 
secretchief said:
Well, objectivity is impossible and refereeing decisions are subject to interpretation. Fans are partial.

Nonetheless, I expect them to be able to count. If they indicate three minutes of injury time and there is a two minute injury inside it, they shouldn't play seven minutes.
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Can anyone confirm to me exactly what second the goal went in please? I've heard 95.02? In that case, and bear in mind refs always seem to allow the last cross to go in before blowing on a goal kick - I don't see what the ref did wrong. Hill was down for about 2 mins - might have been 2 mins and 2 seconds - it aint an accurate science unlike rugby league say. It then took Oldham 2 mins to finish celebrating and that is why we had 97 on clock. It is wrong to think that the ref played 7 mins of added time in terms of the ball being in play - he simply didn't do that.
 
Micalijo said:
Can anyone confirm to me exactly what second the goal went in please? I've heard 95.02? In that case, and bear in mind refs always seem to allow the last cross to go in before blowing on a goal kick - I don't see what the ref did wrong. Hill was down for about 2 mins - might have been 2 mins and 2 seconds - it aint an accurate science unlike rugby league say. It then took Oldham 2 mins to finish celebrating and that is why we had 97 on clock. It is wrong to think that the ref played 7 mins of added time in terms of the ball being in play - he simply didn't do that.
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According to the BBC, the goal was scored on 96 minutes and 8 seconds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19854949
 
That no 11 got McMahon booked for a challenge that from the kop it looked like he never touched him.
Sorry Mic you watched a different game to me. Their no 5 should have gone for the head on Blackman. Croft (the Shit) made enough fouls to get 3 or 4 yellows and as for that guy who had a paddy at the ref. Someone behind me sang you're just a team full of dickovs. About right that one.
 
I believe that referees are encouraged to blow the whistle on the minute (this was certainly obviously apparent during the European Championship, when it happened on the dot). So anything beyond 96 minutes means 97 minutes.
 
stannyblade said:
That no 11 got McMahon booked for a challenge that from the kop it looked like he never touched him.
Sorry Mic you watched a different game to me. Their no 5 should have gone for the head on Blackman. Croft (the Shit) made enough fouls to get 3 or 4 yellows and as for that guy who had a paddy at the ref. Someone behind me sang you're just a team full of dickovs. About right that one.
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I think what I'm surprised about is the perception that they came with the sole intention of cheating and fouling. I didn't see any challenges where I thought my god this is a dirty side and as I have said I thought they played the football and Tmac's challenge was by far the worst of the game.
 
im not sure why anyone ever blames the ref. In the heat of the moment, i can imagine managers and players getting involved, but for fans to go home and say they were cheated is crazy for me. over the course of a season, refs make mistakes and it shud even out. theyre not trying to cheat us, they couldnt care less who wins so why get wound up about it?

i didnt go yesterday but if we cant batter Oldham at home, its our own fault, not the ref's. why dont we concentrate on our football rather than the officials' performances. (this isnt directed at anyone in particular).
 
The ref can add on as much time as he likes for whatever reason that doesn't make it right.
The team has to play until the final whistle whenever it blows the Blades have only themselves to blame.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Time paused at 90:47.
Time resumed at 92:57.

We wasted time on a few occasions in the added time.
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Bet they wasted as much or more before we scored though. Like before the penalty, they should have had at least 2 including the keeper booked for delaying it.
 



stannyblade said:
Bet they wasted as much or more before we scored though. Like before the penalty, they should have had at least 2 including the keeper booked for delaying it.
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Agree with you that referees should be far stricter when players try to disturb penalty takers. Straight yellow card on every such situation and we're finished with that nonsense.
 
stannyblade said:
I give you intent. Morgan against liverpool pulled up for intent. So if Blackman had threw a punch but missed he shouldn't walk for it?
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Seriously if it's the same situation that was showed on tv, M'Voto's shoulder barely touched Blackman's shoulder.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Is it too difficult for a dedicated fan to judge a referee's performance objectively? Is the rivalry and emotions involved making it impossible to view an opposition player's tackle as a fair one if our player goes to ground?
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A lot of United fans I hear at games seem to have difficulty in assessing the referee objectively - but not quite in the same way. They are so determined in their minds that United are dreadful in every way, that they come to believe every decision which goes our way to be a shocking miscarriage of justice - it is the only way they can rationalise the fact that the team they've slagged off for the whole game isn't losing 9-0. If, somehow, we manage to win, they leave the ground muttering about how fortunate we were.

I'm sure every club has such fans, but I can't help feeling we have more than our fair share.
 
Far more annoyed about Wilson and some of the players than about the ref, but I only watched on stream... So frustrating, watching Shrewsbury 1-0 vs Walsall today, in the last 10 minutes they still committed men forward and looked to peg Walsall back. Yet we won't even send the big defenders forward in the 80th minute only 1-0 up...
 
Bergen Blade said:
Crossed the line at 96:05 on my recorded game.

Isn't it "the minimum of" x minutes added time? The referee is entitled to add time for time wasting that takes place in the added time as well.
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You're way out of touch with the official rules there Bergs.
It's "The referee has indicated there will be a minimum of x minutes added time brought to you in conjunction with Stagecoach Buses" ;)
 
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