FA investigate racism

[Tezza1889]

The kop was very very quiet on Monday , I was sat near the scoreboard on John street the missus was surprised to see coin throwing and to be fair a few bellends apart there were no problems with thier fans, the chant, I heard it and to be honest it was all of ten seconds before it got closed down, and I could make it out, sadly I've heard terrible chanting from away and home fans but being English and growing up in the 70s I've just got on with it all, it's nowt isn't it, however, one bloke possibly with an agenda wants a bit of limelight and the piggy Sheffield star were all to quick to whip up the storm, thanks again you shit cheap rag full of lazy journalists ..seems Wendy can invade the pitch live on national television and throw punches at crystal palace players and that's fine, also pretty much every set of away fans can call us rapists and again no great shakes for the sheff star, not newsworthy, what next blades fan farts in the car park shocker..

We'll be fined, sorry we took the piss out of Isis and upset a Sheffield United Asian fan, bradfords chairman had no choice to support the allegation because he knows what community his next generation of fans are coming from....

We'll have to be very careful what we as fans do at the lane now, cause 20 seconds from 20 fans will cost us dearly, it used to be called banter, not anymore with the star waiting to nail us at every opportunity.....

Finally, seen the charm offensive launched by the star, 4 new stories related to united today....... They can fuck right off for me, they've shit this half of the bed.

Additional, I'm anti Isis, I'm anti IRA, the bashir rebels can fuck off, and so can the basque separatists, I am against racism and terrorism, but I'm not really sure it's a racist chant, just a bit silly, but it could be my age, I have of course heard the Munich chant on our kop, and heard refs being called, b@@@ b@@@@@s I've seen racism up close, and been a victim of it, and I'm a white man...

 

[Cyprus Blade]

the quantity of fans chanting doesn't dilute the content.

That is an argument to be used very carefully as it is not too far from those trying to make the links between Islam as a religion and the ISIS atrocities seamless. Do you condemn the club/religion and all of its supporters/followers because of the content of a few numpties words/actions when the vast majority of the supporters/followers condemned the numpties?

 

[Barney]

I read that you need to ask the people chanting as to their intentions when they chanted before you can decide.

What about a small panel towards the bottom of the kop, where any fans planning to participate in a racist chant can hand a slip in before hand declaring why their intentions mean they aren't actually racist. World's gone mad.

 

[sitwell]

A very brief chant by a very small minority it may have been, and the media may well be construing things unnecessarily (only with the 'hundreds' statement, IMO) no problem with that.

What you don't seem to have grasped is that the quantity of fans chanting doesn't dilute the content. As long as it was clearly audible, as the genereal consensus would have it down, the content cannot be excused by the small number singing it.

I've noticed you keep stating "silly, but not racist", or words to that effect, do you have any actual explanation as to why you think the chants weren't racist?

You have a separate agenda which is anything anti Sheffield united , so your posts are hardly surprising.

 

[Barney]

That is an argument to be used very carefully as it is not too far from those trying to make the links between Islam as a religion and the ISIS atrocities seamless. Do you condemn the club/religion and all of its supporters/followers because of the content of a few numpties words/actions when the vast majority of the supporters/followers condemned the numpties?

I condemn those involved in the racist chanting. I praise all those that stood up to them. My point was that just because only a few sang it, that shouldn't make the chant any more acceptable. It's racist, whether there's 25 singing, or 250. A lower number singing doesn't make the chant any less racist. How have you gone from me making that point to all of a sudden suggesting I see the club as racist? That's ridiculous. I haven't mentioned anything about the club as a whole, all I've commented on are the chants and my opinion on whether they are racist.

 

[Jehovah]

It seems they will investigate and likely conclude some fans were chanting "town full of ISIS" I can't see them saying "yea but it was only a few"

Can only see us recieving some kind of punishment for this and a probable internal investigation to punish anyone confirmed as chanting it.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Fred sees a man with an afro walking down the street. Fred, a racist, shouts, "N***er!" at the man. The man turns round. He is white. The shout was still racist. It's the intent that counts.

That's the way I see it anyway.

 

[Pedro Verde]

A very brief chant by a very small minority it may have been, and the media may well be construing things unnecessarily (only with the 'hundreds' statement, IMO) no problem with that.

What you don't seem to have grasped is that the quantity of fans chanting doesn't dilute the content. As long as it was clearly audible, as the genereal consensus would have it down, the content cannot be excused by the small number singing it.

How do you know you wasnt there How do you know how many chanted it, Was it in the South Stand or on the Kop
Ive heard Adkins joined in the chant yove missed that one

 

[Barney]

How do you know you wasnt there How do you know how many chanted it, Was it in the South Stand or on the Kop
Ive heard Adkins joined in the chant yove missed that one

I don't know whether it was sung. I don't know how many sung it. I'm going off the genereal consensus, which seems to be that it was sung by a small minority at the back of the Kop.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

How have you gone from me making that point to all of a sudden suggesting I see the club as racist?

Because the likelihood is we will all be tarred with the same brush and the club sanctioned now the media has built this up.

 

[wizadry]

I'm still awaiting an explanation as to why the chants weren't racist. I'm that certain they were I'm genuinely interested to read any opposing explanation.

People have explained already that ISIS isn't a race, now i'm still awaiting an answer from anybody as to why it is racist and how you can be that certain that they were being racist. Afterall, you can't have been in their thick heads.

 

[wizadry]

Because the likelihood is we will all be tarred with the same brush and the club sanctioned now the media has built this up.

Yes, mate, the club we all supposedly support.

 

[judge]

The chant was started by ched evans and marlon king

 

[metalblade]

The chant was started by ched evans and marlon king

Get it right Judge Convicted Rapist Ched Evans

 

[Barney]

Because the likelihood is we will all be tarred with the same brush and the club sanctioned now the media has built this up.

The chants were racist (IMO) and those singing ought to be banned. But at the same time a few idiots doesn't mean the entire club are racist. We all know that. Apart from one statement of 'hundreds' of fans which seems to go against general consensus on here, I do think the media have reported it quite fairly up to now as in some reports, there have been mentions of how few supporters were taking part. Although there could have definitely been more of an emphasis on just how little fans were chanting, and how everyone else basically told them to shut up. It's all about what the public are going to think off the back of these media reports. Whether or not the absence of the positive response to the racism by the majority of our fans in the media leads to us being unfairly tarred with one brush is yet to be seen. It's not looking good up to now though.

 

[wizadry]

Get it right Judge Convicted Rapist Ched Evans

We're getting upto the same amount of threads on the matter.

 

[northsomersetblade]

Get it right Judge Convicted Rapist Ched Evans

Almost MB, you forgot a bit, correctly it's: 'Former Sheffield United player and convicted rapist Ched Evans'

 

[metalblade]

We're getting upto the same amount of threads on the matter.

Yep I'm wondering if it will be OK to crack a fart off on the kop tomorrow

 

[Barney]

People have explained already that ISIS isn't a race, now i'm still awaiting an answer from anybody as to why it is racist and how you can be that certain that they were being racist. Afterall, you can't have been in their thick heads.

I've explained somewhere else, but I'll give it another go. ISIS is not a race, correct. Asian is a race. The chants were directed towards Bradford's Asian community, extremely unfairly making out as though that community are in support of ISIS, a murderous group. So a whole race has been discriminated against. It is a perfect example of racism, in my opinion.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I don't know whether it was sung. I don't know how many sung it. I'm going off the genereal consensus, which seems to be that it was sung by a small minority at the back of the Kop.

If you dont know why dont you just shut the fuck up

 

[Barney]

If you dont know why dont you just shut the fuck up

Out of order.

 

[metalblade]

I've explained somewhere else, but I'll give it another go. ISIS is not a race, correct. Asian is a race. The chants were directed towards Bradford's Asian community, extremely unfairly making out as though that community are in support of ISIS, a murderous group. So a whole race has been discriminated against. It is effectively a perfect example of racism, in my opinion.

What makes you think was it directed at Bradford's Asian community ? an anti Sheffield United agenda perhaps ?

 

[Pedro Verde]

Out of order.

I dont give a flying fuck

 

[HillmortonBlade]

If you dont know why dont you just shut the fuck up

But there's loads of people posting on here who can't say definitely what happened? I know what I heard on the Kop, but not a thing about anything chanted on the South Stand. I am still entitled to make general observations towards the discussion. I don't see what Barney has said that's any more objectionable.

 

[Barney]

What makes you think was it directed at Bradford's Asian community ?

I thought that bit was so obvious it didn't need debating. I don't even think it has been debated.

 

[wizadry]

Yep I'm wondering if it will be OK to crack a fart off on the kop tomorrow

Not near me you twat, especially with all them sprouts you've probably had

 

[wizadry]

I thought that bit was so obvious it didn't need debating. I don't even think it has been debated.

How do you know it wasn't a jibe at the Bradford fans for having people from their city travel to be with ISIS? Like i say, you don't because you weren't in their thick heads. People are brandashing the racist card out when in actual fact nothing has been proven.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

How do you know it wasn't a jibe at the Bradford fans for having people from their city travel to be with ISIS? Like i say, you don't because you weren't in their thick heads. People are brandashing the racist card out when in actual fact nothing has been proven.

Really though, stepping back from the minutiae of the matter (I have already posted elsewhere why I believe it is racist, just to clarify my position on this), can anyone hand on heart not recognise what the intended meaning was??

But anyway, we are not discussing a criminal investigation (at this time) and the FA only have to consider balance of probabilities.

 

[Pedro Verde]

But there's loads of people posting on here who can't say definitely what happened? I know what I heard on the Kop, but not a thing about anything chanted on the South Stand. I am still entitled to make general observations towards the discussion. I don't see what Barney has said that's any more objectionable.

As I have already said this wont be the first time Bradford fans will have had this sung to them whether it be Pakis or ISIS and it wont be the last but all the PC liberal fuckwits that spoil our country blow totally out of proportion what 20 Blades sang for all of 10 seconds ends up in the papers in the news and tarnishes the reputation of my football club then you get people being offended on behalf of people that the chant was directed at that probably didnt hear it and most likely werent offended as theyve heard it all before that wasnt actually at the game so are only getting the facts second / third hand that have an agenda against SUFC

 

[Barney]

How do you know it wasn't a jibe at the Bradford fans for having people from their city travel to be with ISIS? Like i say, you don't because you weren't in their thick heads. People are brandashing the racist card out when in actual fact nothing has been proven.

It doesn't matter what the intention was. Even if it was intended as a chant towards the White community of Bradford, the Asian community are still being made out as though they support or are involved with ISIS, therefore still being offensive to the race, hence remaining racist.