Everton FFP

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For the severity of debt I think there needs to be expulsion. If you fiddle and lose more than the yearly income from being in the prem, you should suffer by not having a years worth of prem money.

10pts is nothing to anyone but those in the bottom 4.

Might as well blow 300m on signings in January and catapult up the league. We'll suffer the consequences in 3 years time when we've recouped that 300m in TV money.
 

Yeah, but Everton will still get out of it. They’ve done the calculations and come to the conclusion, that a ten point deduction will still be enough to finish above the three dreadful promoted sides.
Exactly this, give a points deduction but never enough to trouble whoever unless you’re a struggling side who are probably struggling because they haven’t cheated, Man City could get a 50 point deduction they’d still survive
 
Yeah, but Everton will still get out of it. They’ve done the calculations and come to the conclusion, that a ten point deduction will still be enough to finish above the three dreadful promoted sides.

Before today it was “they’ll never give Everton a points deduction”. After the deduction it’s “they’ve only done it because they know Everton will stay up anyway”.

Some people are never happy!
 
Considering they've got 14 points so far this season, doesn't look they'll they'll struggle to move up a few positions.
I wonder if appealing would mean deferring to next season (if it dragged out)? I doubt they'd want that as this season has at least 3 or 4 terrible sides (us included unfortunately) and looking at the championship, much stronger sides likely to be in the mix next season.
 
Yeah, but Everton will still get out of it. They’ve done the calculations and come to the conclusion, that a ten point deduction will still be enough to finish above the three dreadful promoted sides.

Who have done the calculations?
 

It will be overturned.
Ps Everton’s problems pale into insignificance compared to Man City and Chelseas financial dealing.
 
It’s just another fucking nothing pointless punishment though isn’t it? They’ll be safe within a couple of games and the FA can say they’ve been punished without losing a big name.

And those who do get relegated get the prestige of saying they’ve finished below a team who were deducted points.

If they want to punish rule breaking deduct them 100pts, then see who else takes the piss.
 
If their season form continues, they will still end up on c. 40 points.

We'd need 1.3 PPG to get to 40.

The only way this is useful to us is if Everton's form drops of a cliff as a result of this.
 
What a waste of time. 10 points is nothing. They’ll be safe in 2 games. The fact that 10 points would have relegated them last year should be taken into account. They should be staring down relegation now, minimum 20 points. Oh well.
 
Everton copped this punishment after 1 claim against them. Man City have 115 similar claims against them, currently under ongoing investigation. Be about 3 years before they get done, if it ever happens. They'll probably get the rules changed by then.
 
Having briefly speed read the Independent Commissions written reasons its a very complicated case. Unfortunately as its the first of its kind, this being the first FFP sanctions imposed by the EPL, there is a likelihood the Commissions findings are open to challenge on appeal. Not least because the EPL does not have written into its rules a points sanction matrix which the EPL have. The EPL agreed as late as August this year to consider adopting a similar approach within its rules.

The Commission are dismissive of Evertons mitigation regarding Covid, the Ukraine War, reduction in player sales values. They make reference to them being "less than frank" in providing information on the cooperation point that the Pigs won on appeal.

Everton wanted a financial penalty after admitting late in the day financial breaches yet still tried to dumb down the overspend to single figure millions as opposed to the EPL's calculation of £20 million plus. The Commission found for the EPL on this point.

Without going in to too much detail, mitigation points aside, the issue rests on the sanction and how it has been calculated. Sheffield Wednesday v The Football League was referenced;

"A sporting advantage is to be inferred so that anything other than a points deduction is inappropriate"

Words that will be of interest to Leeds. Leicester and Southampton. They've got 28 days to raise a counter claim.

Whilst the Birmingham City case was referenced re points deductions as was the EPL matrix where x £ millions overspent per point deducted was applied the Commission felt it wasn't bound by non EPL rules. Again an issue that would support grounds for an appeal imo.

After a detailed summary of why each of Evertons mitigations were being dismissed the Commission concluded a 10 point deduction was appropriate. Yet there is no written rationale as to how this number has been calculated. The Appeal has to be concluded within 3 months so we are looking at February if Everton are granted permission to Appeal.
 
It’s just another fucking nothing pointless punishment though isn’t it? They’ll be safe within a couple of games and the FA can say they’ve been punished without losing a big name.

And those who do get relegated get the prestige of saying they’ve finished below a team who were deducted points.

If they want to punish rule breaking deduct them 100pts, then see who else takes the piss.

Big name? Maybe in the 80s, but not now. For decades Everton have been one of the many teams that is just in the league to make up the numbers.

The Premier League are only interested in Man City, Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. Newcastle will be added to that list soon if they continue as they currently are.
 
i was watching sky sports news & kaveh was trying to explain & him giving evertons explanations for why they shouldnt be punished. it did make me think that despite they never having being more money in the game. clubs are no better off & this an accumulation of the consequences of their actions. i think im right premier league has brought nearly 14 billion in the last 3 tv deals.

with that kind of money. i find it hard to weather their excuse of covid & russias invasion of ukraine being a factor in this. PL teams didnt go through money like water through a sieve losing 1.3m a week. they wouldnt be saying well if we hadnt lost out on 200m on naming rights from a russian business & we would be fine. or but for a pandemic you wouldve been fine.

it will never happen but like i say with the EFL. they need to make teams break even. 14 billion in the last 3 tv deals. everton are talking about that & high cost of borrowing. the mind boggles
 

As far as I can tell, comparing them to City or Chelsea is like comparing apples to oranges. They’re all financial in basis, but quite different transgressions. Notwithstanding the natural reaction being “the rich clubs are being looked after”, they need ti be treated differently. Perhaps the outcome will be the same, perhaps it won’t, but to say that City ate facing more charges and should therefore be docked more points is oversimplifying the matter to the point of ridiculousness.
 

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