Evans & Lavery

[Deadbat]

He has a three year contract so he has a while to get 'match fit'.

I am not sure why we gave him a three year deal. Surely a 1 year and option for a second would have been enough. Not sure where were clubs queing up to sign him in the summer?

He has been out of game for a long time but has been back playing football now for over a year. The reality is the only way he will get better is if he plays but if he plays like he did tonight then he wont play! There is no Checkatrade, no other cups until January now. He may need a spell playing for the u23s to get some kind of match sharpness but even that is nowhere near the same as Champ football.
I think Wilder will sign a striker this week after how those 2 played tonight.

 

[Deadbat]

Agree Evans looked out of sorts tonight, hardly touched the ball
But it's his 1st game where he's started so has an excuse,
however it's fair to be concerned as it might not be until Xmas at the earliest when he starts firing.

As I say when is he going to play though - there are no other cups and not sure he has shown he is anywhere good enough to start at Champ level.

 

[Keen Blade]

I am sick of saying the same thing since promotion.
Everyone knows our strikeforce is our weakness - why aren't we doing something about it ?
If Hanson was any good , he would have made the squad so I have to assume he's a gonner , like Brayford.
We've got Clarke suspended + Lavery/Evans are not any kind of answer.
Get some big fast goalscoring muscle in up top !

 

[nopigfansintown]

500k for Evans

This was denied by Wilder.

 

[davidblade]

Look Wilder will make mistakes with transfers every manager does , from what I see though is that if he makes a mistake he seems to acknowledge it and drop the player unlike other managers we've had recently

 

[Jehovah]

Disappointingly, he look like he cant hold the ball up. With his added bulk I was hoping he'd be strong on the ball, but his terrible touch is not putting him in a position to do that.

 

[Champagneblade]

Bit of perspective needed here I feel.

He didn't perform well against a team that won the Premier League a year ago.

All of their players will be in their 25 man squad and have a legitimate claim to be in their first team at some point minus perhaps Hamer.

Musa cost 16.5m, Silimani 29m, Maguire 16.5m. I could go on. It wasn't Leicester's stiffs.

The conclusion on Evans is that he might not perform well against top class defenders, when he's had little match practice and starved of service. Billy also did nowt and was largely anonymous save for one blocked shot.

 

[blade67]

They both had an opportunity to claim a starting place alongside Sharp and neither of them did anything to show that they deserve it. Apart from after the game was lost, Lavery did nowt to suggest Wilder has been wrong to leave him off the bench recently since his poor showing in round 1. Evans looks nowhere near sharp enough to start games.

Based on that showing we should replace Clarke with Brooks, and Brooks and Duffy can help Sharp from deep rather than forcing in a second striker who isn't worth the shirt.

On the evidence so far a front 3 of Duffy, Brooks and Sharp, with Lavery back on the bench would be my option for Saturday, unless these issues between Barca and Neymar mean we can pick him up in the next couple of days.

Up front does seem to be the most pressing position to strengthen, then Centre back

 

[robbiez666]

He has a three year contract so he has a while to get 'match fit'.

I am not sure why we gave him a three year deal. Surely a 1 year and option for a second would have been enough. Not sure where were clubs queing up to sign him in the summer?

He has been out of game for a long time but has been back playing football now for over a year. The reality is the only way he will get better is if he plays but if he plays like he did tonight then he wont play! There is no Checkatrade, no other cups until January now. He may need a spell playing for the u23s to get some kind of match sharpness but even that is nowhere near the same as Champ football.
I think Wilder will sign a striker this week after how those 2 played tonight.

I forgot it was a 3-year deal, which looks like a ridiculous decision and only serves to fuel the conspiracy theories. Why any manager or club would give a player in Evans' situation a long-term deal is beyond me.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

We played a Prem reserve team. Yes, agreed on the run-out. Good for them all. Still, neither striker did themselves any favours whatsoever.

That side had the guy they signed from Brighton for 12m, musa and slimani who cost c20m each. Maguire who cost 17m, couple of centre mins/right backs that cost about 10m a pop. 2 England u21 youth internationals.

Reserve side is generous - they would survive in the prem and walk the championship.

 

[A_Blade1889]

Ched looked poor. His pace has gone, so has his first touch! Will they come back, unfortunately I don't think so.

Lavery didn't stand out in L1 for me, he isn't as quick as I expected and way off what we need for Championship level.

Sharp will score goals, he needs a better partner to help him.

 

[sheffielder]

For me Lavary is an impact player, last 20 minutes to keep the opposition defence honest.
Evans to me seems to have lost his shape and is a stick to how I remember him. I think he will be a work in progress until at least January, and to be fair that's probably expected.

 

[sheffielder]

Also on Evans, he used to be an all action guy who would chase anything down. That should come back but it takes time to get used to high pressing as a team.

 

[Ricky]

I don't think Evans and Sharp will be an option at this level. They've both got slower and the defending from the front would be non existent.

 

[Antonb]

I thought lavary worked his socks off, to be far to him. And was much better than evans, so yes, bring him on for last ten mins is still his best option for him and us. But we need to pay out and get a good striker that will improve us straight away. Same as center mid, same as center of defence. Then I would be more confident about finishing mid table.

 

[Maidenhead]

I am sick of saying the same thing since promotion.
Everyone knows our strikeforce is our weakness - why aren't we doing something about it ?
If Hanson was any good , he would have made the squad so I have to assume he's a gonner , like Brayford.
We've got Clarke suspended + Lavery/Evans are not any kind of answer.
Get some big fast goalscoring muscle in up top !

If Hanson was fit he would have made the squad last night.

Apparently Brayford also has an injury but I have a suspicion that his may be more akin to sunburn than hamstring strain.

 

[Pinchy]

I thought lavary worked his socks off, to be far to him. And was much better than evans, so yes, bring him on for last ten mins is still his best option for him and us. But we need to pay out and get a good striker that will improve us straight away. Same as center mid, same as center of defence. Then I would be more confident about finishing mid table.

The offers are in for all the players you require. We can't "pay out" though, unless and until such offers are accepted. Al Capone and Frank Nitti have retired from the football agent business.

 

[I should coco]

People are expecting some sort of fairytale to happen where Evans comes back and bangs 20'goals in. He will be lucky to get 4 all season. He's not the ched of old . Didn't win a single header today , touch was horrendous and not once did he look to make a run behind the defence. You can all slate me all you want but honestly he isn't good enough. League one player at max

Your opinion so it would be unfair to 'slate you' but you obviously expect a response.

All defending him as well, but it's his 1st game bla bla bla he needs to get his fitness up. He isn't going to cut it in this division , seem him 4 times now since he's been back , except against wallsall he's looked lost

That is the response. He needs time to get properly fit before CW can decide if he is up to it.

The reality is the only way he will get better is if he plays but if he plays like he did tonight then he wont play!

Spot on.

He always was a 'punt' signing. We have paid nowhere near £500k and the only people bandying that around were the ChesVegas
directors trying to keep their fans on board. My understanding is we paid less than half of that, but will happily pay up to £500k if the goals and appearances clauses click in.

He is still a gamble and still needs time. After the Walsall game there was a clamour for him to start but after last night he is suddenly 'not good enough'. Lets see how he is shaping up at the end of September, after all there isn't a lot of room left on the 'hung out to dry' line what with Lundstrum already there.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

The hung out to dry line is more like a 'did themselves no favours' line.

Wright and O'Connell were in their normal positions, but the rest of the side had something to play for last night. Eastwood did OK, Baldock and Brooks played well. The other six, not so much.

Freeman didn't look like he'd be up to more than a bit of light cover at centre back, while Baldock was putting his wing-back spot under threat.
Lafferty won't be troubling Stevens' spot in the side with a performance like that.
Lundstram was a long way off what we've normally got in that position.
Carruthers was nothing special in a deeper role than normal and Brooks and Duffy have both surpassed him for the more advanced midfield position.
Lavery didn't start playing well until the game was gone, ran a lot without really contributing anything most of the time.
Evans was hopeless.

All of them have a part to play, but none of them really leapt out as deserving a start in the positions they played in last night. The Brayford/Freeman performances in the two rounds of the cup and Basham in the first half at Boro highlight we really need to bring someone in to play right sided centre back, and the strikers didn't really go out and tell the manager that he doesn't need to sign anyone up front.

You maybe can't write anyone off based on last night, but you can't really pencil most of them in as good enough to be regulars either.

 

[Danny_Boy]

Both were shit but let's not write them off yet. It was Evans first start and he played against one of the best defenders in the country in my opinion. Plenty more to come from both of them, but we do need a striker as we can't wait for them to be ready and with Clarke suspended as well.

Brooks is a livewire those criticising his end product need to keep their beaks shut imo nowt like moaning fits to ruin a young lads confidence. I for one am glad he's confident enough to try a difficult pass whether it comes off or not. He frightens teams because he's direct, quick in pace, thought and feet.

Can't please everyone I suppose but let's not over react to our second string losing against a prem team. I'd be more concerned if Evans and Lavery had missed loads of chances but as far as I remember Evans didn't have one chance and Lavery only a couple where their keeper made smart saves.

 

[BushBlade]

The hung out to dry line is more like a 'did themselves no favours' line.

Wright and O'Connell were in their normal positions, but the rest of the side had something to play for last night. Eastwood did OK, Baldock and Brooks played well. The other six, not so much.

Freeman didn't look like he'd be up to more than a bit of light cover at centre back, while Baldock was putting his wing-back spot under threat.
Lafferty won't be troubling Stevens' spot in the side with a performance like that.
Lundstram was a long way off what we've normally got in that position.
Carruthers was nothing special in a deeper role than normal and Brooks and Duffy have both surpassed him for the more advanced midfield position.
Lavery didn't start playing well until the game was gone, ran a lot without really contributing anything most of the time.
Evans was hopeless.

All of them have a part to play, but none of them really leapt out as deserving a start in the positions they played in last night. The Brayford/Freeman performances in the two rounds of the cup and Basham in the first half at Boro highlight we really need to bring someone in to play right sided centre back, and the strikers didn't really go out and tell the manager that he doesn't need to sign anyone up front.

You maybe can't write anyone off based on last night, but you can't really pencil most of them in as good enough to be regulars either.

Can't really disagree with any of the comments on the individuals but that team was more or less thrown together. We won't have worked on much on the training ground. And none of that Leicester side is likely to be playing outside the top level any time in the near future.
It was a good run out for them and hopefully CW and AK will have learnt a few things about the new boys. Disappointed with the final score but I quite enjoyed watching us without being bothered if we get anything out of the game.

 

[DronnieBlade]

The only answer to this question, ATM, is will Lavery ever get close to the level Evans had shown us in the past (not a chance IMHO) and will Evans get back to near the Evans of old (50/50 IMHO).

UTB

 

[blader]

The only answer to this question, ATM, is will Lavery ever get close to the level Evans had shown us in the past (not a chance IMHO) and will Evans get back to near the Evans of old (50/50 IMHO).

UTB

50/50? Really? Plucked that probability out of nowhere!

 

[DronnieBlade]

50/50? Really? Plucked that probability out of nowhere!

Yes.

The thread is essentially about Lavery vs Evans for a starting spot.

Lavery isn't good enough. Never will be. Ched has it. We have all seen it. It's there. Deep deep down, it's there.

Just gotta coax it out if him !

UTB

 

[Deadbat]

If Clarke or Hanson had played like Evand did Saturday and tonight they would be getting pelters in here. He was abysmal. Slow, clumsy, weak and his touch appalling. Looks a really bizarre signing but he will know he will have to improve massively from what he has shown so far.

 

[Houston_Blade]

To me Evans looks a lot bigger than I remember him, bulked up. He therefore looks and probably is less agile. Couple that with a lack of match sharpness and a downturn in pace and he looks way off what he used to be.

The problem perhaps lies in the expectation for him to be the Evans of old.

He is the Evans of old, the one that was poor in the Championship.

 

[Ricky]

will Evans get back to near the Evans of old (50/50 IMHO).

More like 1/99. He'll never be what he was. He's been royally fucked over and his career has been ruined, sadly. He would've probably been in the PL and a Wales regular now. I think the right question is will he ever be close to what he was previously. 50/50 might still be an optimistic response to that question.

 

[Deadbat]

Yes.

The thread is essentially about Lavery vs Evans for a starting spot.

Lavery isn't good enough. Never will be. Ched has it. We have all seen it. It's there. Deep deep down, it's there.

Just gotta coax it out if him !

UTB

It was there 5 years ago. In a lower league. He has never done anything of note in his career apart from that one season. he was poor at this level when he was young and fit. Not sure how some fans suddenly think it will click. Even if he does get fitter (he has been back in football for a year - will it take another 6 months, 12 months more? This is not some young kid whose game is developing) he lacks the pace and athleticism required at this level. I hope he proves me wrong but it seems an odd punt. There were lots of other strikers in league 1 who actually played ganes and scored last season who could have been got.

 

[Deadbat]

It is coming to something when we are going to miss Clarke and shows how poor our options are up there.

 

[Torrix1889]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lavery disappear completely and Ched to go out on loan in Jan.