Either build the team around Hamer or sell him

[Champagneblade]

I don’t see us accommodating Hamer.

I see us building a team with him at its core or offloading him.

So how?

I don’t think we can play a conventional 4-3-3.

Him and O’Hare in front of one defensive midfielder just asks for us to cough up possession and for the DM to be outnumbered. Hamer is a risk/reward player and as such, he does turnover possession a fair bit.

4-2-2-2:
One of Selles’ prior formations. You play Peck and Soumaré deeper and have two tens in O’Hare and Hamer behind Campbell and Barry who both have scope to roam out wide and prove space for O’Hare and Hamer to break through the lines. Brooks misses out.

4-2-1-3:
Again you have two deeper lying midfielders in Peck and Soumaré and Hamer has a relatively free role in the 10. You then have Barry and Brooks as conventional wingers and Campbell down the middle. O’Hare misses out.

4-3-3a:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. Hamer and Barry take the wider roles, unsure which as both probably prefer left, with Campbell in the middle.

4-3-3b:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. In front you have Brooks and Barry as conventional wingers. Life without Hamer begins.

What I don’t see that I perhaps naively thought we might is O’Hare and Hamer as 8s and Peck as a 6. This was just simply far too ill disciplined against a relatively average Bristol City team. Would Soumaré instead of Peck make a difference? If he’s going to be regularly outnumbered then I’d say no, even if he is marginally more a conventional defensive midfielder than Peck.

So, where does Ruben go next? Answers on a postcard to S2 4SU!

 

[ancientblade]

I don’t see us accommodating Hamer.

I see us building a team with him at its core or offloading him.

So how?

I don’t think we can play a conventional 4-3-3.

Him and O’Hare in front of one defensive midfielder just asks for us to cough up possession and for the DM to be outnumbered. Hamer is a risk/reward player and as such, he does turnover possession a fair bit.

4-2-2-2:
One of Selles’ prior formations. You play Peck and Soumaré deeper and have two tens in O’Hare and Hamer behind Campbell and Barry who both have scope to roam out wide and prove space for O’Hare and Hamer to break through the lines. Brooks misses out.

4-2-1-3:
Again you have two deeper lying midfielders in Peck and Soumaré and Hamer has a relatively free role in the 10. You then have Barry and Brooks as conventional wingers and Campbell down the middle. O’Hare misses out.

4-3-3a:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. Hamer and Barry take the wider roles, unsure which as both probably prefer left, with Campbell in the middle.

4-3-3b:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. In front you have Brooks and Barry as conventional wingers. Life without Hamer begins.

What I don’t see that I perhaps naively thought we might is O’Hare and Hamer as 8s and Peck as a 6. This was just simply far too ill disciplined against a relatively average Bristol City team. Would Soumaré instead of Peck make a difference? If he’s going to be regularly outnumbered then I’d say no, even if he is marginally more a conventional defensive midfielder than Peck.

So, where does Ruben go next? Answers on a postcard to S2 4SU!

for me if were going to continue 433 with 2 wide men it can only be 1 of hamer or o'hare if we still had souza and 2 solid centre backs i think we could get away with playing them both peck needs soumare in there with him other option is play o'hare wide right and drop brooks

 

[Eels]

Sell him.

 

[Loco Blade]

Looked like a passenger anyway Saturday. Sell him . Don’t think system will suit

 

[unitedbhoy]

Good post.

Build the team around him for me. He's the championship player of the year. We know he is going to give the ball away more than others because he takes risks and more than often it's a joy to watch him.

Looking forward to seeing what Soumare can bring to the side hopefully adds a bit of balance to see the like's of Hamer and O'Hare flourish.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

We have to change the system to accommodate him.

But for the first time on Saturday I saw sides to him I really didn't like.

I think Selles needs to do what he feels best. If he is to have a fair crack it needs to be his way.

 

[brownblade]

We have to change the system to accommodate him.

But for the first time on Saturday I saw sides to him I really didn't like.

I think Selles needs to do what he feels best. If he is to have a fair crack it needs to be his way.

Being close to our goal is risky for us as he's an instinctive risk taker and an instinctive fouler.

Hopefully that was an enforced experiment on Saturday.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

4-2-3-1, with him number 10 and allowed to go wherever he wants to get on the ball. There aren't many other options. Carry on with the suicide 4-3-3 then it'll make him look shit

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

In the 4-2-1-3 I'd happily see O'Hare in there instead of Hamer.
He tracks back well, and drives forward with pace where Hamer tends to look for the 'perfect' though ball to put someone in, and it rarely happens.
Looks great when it does, but not often enough for me.
I'd love him to 'roam free' and entertain us, but I don't think we have the players or manager to allow that.

 

[Keen Blade]

Sell him.

No one's buying , not at a price that would get our money back anyway.

Championship player of the season , my arse.
Far too lazy , a luxury player with a daft temper & impetuous way of tackling.
Occasional pieces of pure class aren't frequent enough to counterbalance.

No PL side would touch him if they'd any sense.

 

[Rodley]

I don’t see us accommodating Hamer.

I see us building a team with him at its core or offloading him.

So how?

I don’t think we can play a conventional 4-3-3.

Him and O’Hare in front of one defensive midfielder just asks for us to cough up possession and for the DM to be outnumbered. Hamer is a risk/reward player and as such, he does turnover possession a fair bit.

4-2-2-2:
One of Selles’ prior formations. You play Peck and Soumaré deeper and have two tens in O’Hare and Hamer behind Campbell and Barry who both have scope to roam out wide and prove space for O’Hare and Hamer to break through the lines. Brooks misses out.

4-2-1-3:
Again you have two deeper lying midfielders in Peck and Soumaré and Hamer has a relatively free role in the 10. You then have Barry and Brooks as conventional wingers and Campbell down the middle. O’Hare misses out.

4-3-3a:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. Hamer and Barry take the wider roles, unsure which as both probably prefer left, with Campbell in the middle.

4-3-3b:
Soumaré take the base of the midfield and Peck and O’Hare take the slightly wider roles. In front you have Brooks and Barry as conventional wingers. Life without Hamer begins.

What I don’t see that I perhaps naively thought we might is O’Hare and Hamer as 8s and Peck as a 6. This was just simply far too ill disciplined against a relatively average Bristol City team. Would Soumaré instead of Peck make a difference? If he’s going to be regularly outnumbered then I’d say no, even if he is marginally more a conventional defensive midfielder than Peck.

So, where does Ruben go next? Answers on a postcard to S2 4SU!

Agreed 4-2-1-3 for me with Hamer either the 10 or wide left as per last season.

We have to accommodate Hamer, he’s our matchwinner and comfortably our best player.

 

[loyalblade95]

Probably the toughest scenario we could find ourselves in this summer, what happens to the squad if we sell or keep Hamer.

If we sold, we'd probably find it easier to build a midfield, but at the cost of losing one of our most talented players.

But keeping him means we have to build a midfield that not only amplifies his strengths, but also covers the weaknesses in his game.

If we can put a proper, disciplined CDM at the base of our midfield (Soumare or Iroegbunam) who can do the defensive work and give Hamer license to roam, I'd like to see Peck in the same position being given that license to roam as well.

I like the original posters suggestion of 4-2-2-2 though.

 

[Revolution]

Selling your best player because he can't play in a formation that hasn't been proved to actually work strikes me as a very stupid thing to do.

So I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

I'm also starting to wonder whether contrary to popular opinion Wilder had Hamer in exactly the right place.

 

[Brownieblade]

I don’t think you need two DM, can’t see why you can’t have one and hamer alongside him

Hamer has to be willing to work a bit more but can’t see why not

If that isn’t workable then stick him outside i guess

 

[PaddysMad]

Not hard to sell is it here.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Whats up wi 3-5-2.......has it gone out of fashion.

 

[MayorOJC]

There are really people here calling to sell the Championship player of the year?

 

[Panini]

We shouldn't be selling him and we should be building a team around him.

However, the position you're playing in doesn't cause you to shank every single corner and free kick.

If you'd never watched a Championship game before and you were told last season's POTY was on the pitch, you could have had 10 guesses.

 

[Brownieblade]

There are really people here calling to sell the Championship player of the year?

TBF it’s a bit more than that, Hamer will get you most money, if Hamer in this system alone struggles, which im not suggesting he will, then you can see the logic in asking the question

 

[Wards]

1 game. 1 fucking game.

Does he not get a chance to adapt either?

 

[Frank the tank]

Selling your best player because he can't play in a formation that hasn't been proved to actually work strikes me as a very stupid thing to do.

So I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

I'm also starting to wonder whether contrary to popular opinion Wilder had Hamer in exactly the right place.

The whole make up of the team was designed to accommodate hamers deficiencies and it almost worked
That's why we were so lop.sided and so many players were played out of position ,to accommodate him in this team the manager has to completely abandon his whole coaching philosophy

 

[JD88]

Can't have him playing as deep as he is last weekend, just a complete waste. He is comfortably our best player and most creative so needs to be far closer to the opposition net. Just let him play and build the rest around him. Campbell up top, Barry left wing, a new right winger, 2 mids behind him. Selling him is utterly ludicrous

 

[MayorOJC]

TBF it’s a bit more than that, Hamer will get you most money, if Hamer in this system alone struggles, which im not suggesting he will, then you can see the logic in asking the question

If the system ruins our best player, you adapt the system.

 

[Boroblade1889]

Anybody else think he looked a couple of weeks behind fitness wise?….or do I need to get a refund on these new glasses?

 

[FriethBlade]

Sell him.

Sell him and bring another loan in? Why would any of us want to sell another player we own?

 

[Brownieblade]

If the system ruins our best player, you adapt the system.

And if the adaption doesn’t work

Reality is the owners have committed to a manager and a new system

Spurs aren’t going to have success decking that Frank needs yo change instead of their best player trying to adapt

If we had loads of money and were buying players left right and centre then sure, no need to even have a discussion

And I’m not saying sell Hamer either

I’m just saying I can see logic in it

 

[metalblade]

What I saw Saturday was that Hamer is hopeless and wasted in front of the back four he needs to be behind the front two to make things happen. He certainly isn't disciplined enough to be tackling people or he will have 10 yellows before Christmas.

 

[Harry's Game]

He’s going anyway I reckon

 

[SwissBlade]

Selling your best player because he can't play in a formation that hasn't been proved to actually work strikes me as a very stupid thing to do.

So I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

I'm also starting to wonder whether contrary to popular opinion Wilder had Hamer in exactly the right place.

Yep he didn’t become player of the season by being stuck out wide, he got it by being in a position which suited him and the team.

On Saturday it just looked like he was trying to get involved but looked out of his depth everywhere he went

 

[Badger Blade]

If he's still here at the end of the window, he's a player who just needs licence to do as he wants and not to be stifled into something that doesn't get the best out of him as a more maverick, almost old-school free role/trequartista like a Le Tissier or Del Piero of days gone by.

I don't see why O'Hare couldn't come from a wider position instead in a 4231 or with the 4222 which gives some protection and licence to roam for both O'Hare and Hamer. Again points to what happens in transition and knowing who should be covering where because there will have to be some element of defending involved, besides just hacking a lump out of the bloke with the ball.