Do we need to pay any transfer fees where we are at?

[Sean Thornton]

Trevor Birch was the real culprit, on over £500k p.annum.

Then what did he do, became an Administrator of insolvent companies.

McCabe doesn't only choose bad football managers, he chooses bad M.D's and Chief Execs, that's for sure.

Maybe the man is so, so lucky to be in property right at the right time, so what? Fact is that he has spent his kids' inheritance on our club. Whatever you and I might say about ' pin money' and a 'drop in the ocean for a multi-millionaire', he knows as a Yorkshireman, that he has wasted over £50m already, with no change in fortunes it will be a lot more. It's his kids' money he is spending, not his own, it's money he would never have spent.

£650k pa Woody. He then went back to insolvency. Turry before him and now apparently Brannigan wasted millions of McCabes money.

I don't think you are far off with £50m either based on what I said above.

 

[pommpey]

Yes. The manager identifies the players he wants. He is responsible if they flop just like he takes the acclaim if the signing is a successful one.
Fuck me if we ran out of bog roll on a match day you'd find a way to blame MacCabe.
I despair

Yes. Well done you. And, as could be the case (and not beyond anyone's furtive and creative imagination) Clough gets the 'plenty to spend next season' horseshit, gets them to semi finals sees players come and go and then gets the till shut on his fingers. "Buy the eighth and the twelfth one on your list Brian. Don't tell anyone how much he cost either. It is 'Brian' isn't it?"

And you believe McCabe's bullshit that it was Clough's fault.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

£650k pa Woody. He then went back to insolvency. Turry before him and now apparently Brannigan wasted millions of McCabes money.

I don't think you are far off with £50m either based on what I said above.

I'm never far off Sean, you should know that by now

 

[Woodwardfan]

Pommpey. With a following wind and a promotion, at the very least McCabe has lost £50m, even if Donald Trump decides to add us to his Scottish Golf Course.

Yes, even after the Desso pitch, selling Maguire and two semi-finals which probably in their own way cost us a promotion or two if the truth be known. What else enters your head?

After normal operating costs, know what I mean?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes. Well done you. And, as could be the case (and not beyond anyone's furtive and creative imagination) Clough gets the 'plenty to spend next season' horseshit, gets them to semi finals sees players come and go and then gets the till shut on his fingers. "Buy the eighth and the twelfth one on your list Brian. Don't tell anyone how much he cost either. It is 'Brian' isn't it?"

And you believe McCabe's bullshit that it was Clough's fault.

pommpey

You keep asking people for actual figures and then post what you believe to be the case with no evidence whatsoever. How does that work?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Pommpey. With a following wind and a promotion, at the very least McCabe has lost £50m, even if Donald Trump decides to add us to his Scottish Golf Course.

Yes, even after the Desso pitch, selling Maguire and two semi-finals which probably in their own way cost us a promotion or two if the truth be known. What else enters your head?

After normal operating costs, know what I mean?

It would be reasonable to criticise the investment in the new pitch if there was no ongoing saving on maintenance costs. Or even to mention the fact there's likely to be some saving over the years. But let's not dilute the hyperbole with reasonable assumptions.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It would be reasonable to criticise the investment in the new pitch if there was no ongoing saving on maintenance costs. Or even to mention the fact there's likely to be some saving over the years. But let's not dilute the hyperbole with reasonable assumptions.

Sean. The pitch is one of those things you have to consider when the moment in time arrives. Executive decision re costs and benefits. Maybe it has a lot to do with the strategy which demands elevation to higher leagues too. All fair play and if the decision not to improve the pitch had been taken, then we should start worrying, the money supply has reversed and so has the strategy. We'll get there and when we do we will be ready!!

 

[sheffielder]

It would be reasonable to criticise the investment in the new pitch if there was no ongoing saving on maintenance costs. Or even to mention the fact there's likely to be some saving over the years. But let's not dilute the hyperbole with reasonable assumptions.

You can't hold boxing matches and other money making circus ideas without this pitch. It's the only reason we got it

 

[pommpey]

Sean. The pitch is one of those things you have to consider when the moment in time arrives. Executive decision re costs and benefits. Maybe it has a lot to do with the strategy which demands elevation to higher leagues too. All fair play and if the decision not to improve the pitch had been taken, then we should start worrying, the money supply has reversed and so has the strategy. We'll get there and when we do we will be ready!!

Comical Alli Woodward, once again.

Maybe it was more important than buying a couple of centre backs ...

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

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£650k pa Woody. He then went back to insolvency. Turry before him and now apparently Brannigan wasted millions of McCabes money.

I don't think you are far off with £50m either based on what I said above.

Thing is Sean, I sense his ambition for us and I sense his disappointment. He fell into a trap that so many nouveau riche fall into and started to believe the bullshitters and started to believe it was all about things that nowhere near took him to where he had made his money. That make sense?

If I felt how I do now about United over these past 9 years, and believe me it hurts, boy does it hurt at this stage of my life when I was hoping for that little bit more from my club, imagine how it feels to have lost £50m on top of that.

It like affects your day to day I would think, know what I mean? It affects my day to day that's for sure.

 

[Snowman]

Comical Alli Woodward, once again.

Maybe it was more important than buying a couple of centre backs ...

pommpey

With hindsight it was not. Even without hindsight it was not. Whose fuck up though?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Comical Alli Woodward, once again.

Maybe it was more important than buying a couple of centre backs ...

pommpey

Pommpey, I wouldn't expect you to understand that post but also at the time I didn't think we needed two new centre backs but I only watch the team every week. Midfield was a much bigger priority IMO.

What did you observe at the time?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean. The pitch is one of those things you have to consider when the moment in time arrives. Executive decision re costs and benefits. Maybe it has a lot to do with the strategy which demands elevation to higher leagues too. All fair play and if the decision not to improve the pitch had been taken, then we should start worrying, the money supply has reversed and so has the strategy. We'll get there and when we do we will be ready!!

You can't hold boxing matches and other money making circus ideas without this pitch. It's the only reason we got it

Cheaper long term maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Cheaper long term maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?

Marginal surely in the whole scheme of things, surely marginal relative to total costs.

 

[Sean Thornton]

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Thing is Sean, I sense his ambition for us and I sense his disappointment. He fell into a trap that so many nouveau riche fall into and started to believe the bullshitters and started to believe it was all about things that nowhere near took him to where he had made his money. That make sense?

If I felt how I do now about United over these past 9 years, and believe me it hurts, boy does it hurt at this stage of my life when I was hoping for that little bit more from my club, imagine how it feels to have lost £50m on top of that.

It like affects your day to day I would think, know what I mean? It affects my day to day that's for sure.

We're running out of time at our ages to see a resurgence Woody. I for one aren't going to waste it being eaten away day by day by bitterness and hatred and then posting the same old on this forum. I can be as critical as anyone without letting generally unfounded "facts" camouflage realities.

 

[sheffielder]

Cheaper long term maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?

I am sure it's all part of it. Let's see how much the club makes for Kell's fight and other future concerts too. I am not critical of the decision as its another channel and in theory the pitch will be fine. They could probably make a million plus extra per year with this stream. If it improves the first team or stops is going under then it's worth it

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, I wouldn't expect you to understand that post but also at the time I didn't think we needed two new centre backs but I only watch the team every week. Midfield was a much bigger priority IMO.

What did you observe at the time?

I saw we were seriously underpowered minus Maguire. Collins was clearly not at the races, and last seasons pre season friendlies showed one particular goal against us which screamed 'get your fucking centre backs organised'. We played much of last season without any consistency across the back four and certainly with the two central pairings. It was only when we briefly flirted with 3-5-2 and had the likes of Basham and Done playing in odd positions with two loanees doing the sweeping up that we started to measure up in small areas in defence. By then of course it was too late for any organisation to have any effect.

Good enough?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

We're running out of time at our ages to see a resurgence Woody. I for one aren't going to waste it being eaten away day by day by bitterness and hatred and then posting the same old on this forum. I can be as critical as anyone without letting generally unfounded "facts" camouflage realities.

Sean. I haven't a clue what you're alluding to.

When I pop it I want my club to be in a better place than when my Dad died and then he would have died so much happier. That's all I'm on about.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Marginal surely in the whole scheme of things, surely marginal relative to total costs.

Who knows. I can't believe it wasn't a consideration when spending a million and a half. Our pitch has been an issue for some time, conveniently forgotten of course.


Had McCabe been the asset stripper claimed of course, he wouldn't have spent that money on the pitch and just put less in to cover the losses. Joined up thinking and all that.

 

[pommpey]

We're running out of time at our ages to see a resurgence Woody. I for one aren't going to waste it being eaten away day by day by bitterness and hatred and then posting the same old on this forum. I can be as critical as anyone without letting generally unfounded "facts" camouflage realities.

So what are your 'facts' and realities, outside of the stuff you mine off the internet? Happy with what we sold and bought last season? Happy with McCabe's rock solid backing of the manager? Are you happy with Cloughs and Adkins sackings?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

I saw we were seriously underpowered minus Maguire. Collins was clearly not at the races, and last seasons pre season friendlies showed one particular goal against us which screamed 'get your fucking centre backs organised'. We played much of last season without any consistency across the back four and certainly with the two central pairings. It was only when we briefly flirted with 3-5-2 and had the likes of Basham and Done playing in odd positions with two loanees doing the sweeping up that we started to measure up in small areas in defence. By then of course it was too late for any organisation to have any effect.

Good enough?

pommpey

Nowhere near fellow Blade. You don't talk actual football enough to convince me you see much more than highlights on You Tube. You much prefer the 'politics' in S2.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I saw we were seriously underpowered minus Maguire. Collins was clearly not at the races, and last seasons pre season friendlies showed one particular goal against us which screamed 'get your fucking centre backs organised'. We played much of last season without any consistency across the back four and certainly with the two central pairings. It was only when we briefly flirted with 3-5-2 and had the likes of Basham and Done playing in odd positions with two loanees doing the sweeping up that we started to measure up in small areas in defence. By then of course it was too late for any organisation to have any effect.

Good enough?

pommpey

You and everyone else. Apart from the managers. The board provided funds for players but not CB's? Why would that be?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Who knows. I can't believe it wasn't a consideration when spending a million and a half. Our pitch has been an issue for some time, conveniently forgotten of course.


Had McCabe been the asset stripper claimed of course, he wouldn't have spent that money on the pitch and just put less in to cover the losses. Joined up thinking and all that.

So why did you post " Maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?"

 

[Sean Thornton]

So what are your 'facts' and realities, outside of the stuff you mine off the internet? Happy with what we sold and bought last season? Happy with McCabe's rock solid backing of the manager? Are you happy with Cloughs and Adkins sackings?

pommpey

The accounts. What are yours?

 

[Sean Thornton]

So why did you say " Maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?"

It was a question. The funny squiggle at the end of the sentence gives you a clue.

The post suggested the only reasons were income streams. It's not hard to understand.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean. I haven't a clue what you're alluding to.

When I pop it I want my club to be in a better place than when my Dad died and then he would have died so much happier. That's all I'm on about.

You seem to be seeing an argument that isn't there. We are in general agreement on this thread, you need to read things more slowly and stop thinking I'm disagreeing. Although I think my posts are quite clear.

 

[Top Cat]

So what are your 'facts' and realities, outside of the stuff you mine off the internet? Happy with what we sold and bought last season? Happy with McCabe's rock solid backing of the manager? Are you happy with Cloughs and Adkins sackings?

pommpey

What worries me is where did Pommmmmmpeys £30 investment go.

Did Kevin Lucifer trouser it rather than chucking 40 million at it as Middlesbrough did (who have similar sized crowds....it's that easy)

 

[pommpey]

What worries me is where did Pommmmmmpeys £30 investment go.

Did Kevin Lucifer trouser it rather than chucking 40 million at it as Middlesbrough did (who have similar sized crowds....it's that easy)

Are you still nudging that turps, son?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

It was a question. The funny squiggle at the end of the sentence gives you a clue.

The post suggested the only reasons were income streams. It's not hard to understand.

I'm not one to even notice "funny squiggles" never mind understand them; oh the problems of the written word in this social media society. Friends can make enemies just on a squiggle, people could get shot just because of a squiggle. Sean you might have just wasted a couple of years of your life hounding a good bloke, a sensible Blade - all on a squiggle or two.

 

[pommpey]

So why did you post " Maintenance costs didn't come into it at all then?"

Because he thinks you are a Wednesdayite.

*stands back*

pommpey