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I just don't understand the harsh criticism that is aimed toward Clough. Most of you are unaware of what goes off behind closed door at Bramall Lane. The great thing about Football is that in brings so many people together by the love of there team yet divides some many by opinion. I see other clubs like Northampton hounding and calling for Chris Wilders head and 5 weeks later after 6/7 straight wins and manager of the month and now he is the saviour.. Same has to be said for Nigel, this time last year we were 23rd in an awful league, he made us top of the form guide by the end of the season and cup semi final in which we scored 3 goals.... this season he has taken us to a semi and the 5th round of the FA cup, yet we have very indifferent league consistency. I guess what I'm saying is football fans especially us Blades need to take things month on month rather than game by game.... we all wanted Brayford, we get him and now everyone says we should have spent money elsewhere!! kneejerk reactions need to stop, lets see were we are by the end of Feb if its not improved then I agree Cloughs position needs to be evaluated. Lets just enjoy the ride, I would much rather be a Blade than endure the same sleepy dull, non ambitious other side of the City

#obsessed
 



I just don't understand the harsh criticism that is aimed toward Clough. Most of you are unaware of what goes off behind closed door at Bramall Lane. The great thing about Football is that in brings so many people together by the love of there team yet divides some many by opinion. I see other clubs like Northampton hounding and calling for Chris Wilders head and 5 weeks later after 6/7 straight wins and manager of the month and now he is the saviour.. Same has to be said for Nigel, this time last year we were 23rd in an awful league, he made us top of the form guide by the end of the season and cup semi final in which we scored 3 goals.... this season he has taken us to a semi and the 5th round of the FA cup, yet we have very indifferent league consistency. I guess what I'm saying is football fans especially us Blades need to take things month on month rather than game by game.... we all wanted Brayford, we get him and now everyone says we should have spent money elsewhere!! kneejerk reactions need to stop, lets see were we are by the end of Feb if its not improved then I agree Cloughs position needs to be evaluated. Lets just enjoy the ride, I would much rather be a Blade than endure the same sleepy dull, non ambitious other side of the City

#obsessed

I don't 100% get your post, are you saying give Clough another 3 weeks? Clough has to be given until the end of the season and we all need to pray for a miracle because he has gone out IMO and bought to many defenders and midfielder and f&ck all fire power maybe not all his doing but he has also made some bad decisions in the transfer market. We are currently 8th which is an improvement on this time last season granted but I just can not see the same run happening again, he doesn't know his strongest team, players seem to be falling out with him often and we can't score. Big game tomorrow and Saturday will surely show how good we are or not, if we are in a playoff spot come Saturday 5pm I will believe however I seriously doubt it. Anything below 6th this season is a failure everyone must agree on that so we will see.

Just not our year I've said it already for a mixture of reasons but that's football, anyway did I miss something or did Preston not just knock us out in the 4th round?
 
I just don't understand the harsh criticism that is aimed toward Clough. Most of you are unaware of what goes off behind closed door at Bramall Lane. The great thing about Football is that in brings so many people together by the love of there team yet divides some many by opinion. I see other clubs like Northampton hounding and calling for Chris Wilders head and 5 weeks later after 6/7 straight wins and manager of the month and now he is the saviour.. Same has to be said for Nigel, this time last year we were 23rd in an awful league, he made us top of the form guide by the end of the season and cup semi final in which we scored 3 goals.... this season he has taken us to a semi and the 5th round of the FA cup, yet we have very indifferent league consistency. I guess what I'm saying is football fans especially us Blades need to take things month on month rather than game by game.... we all wanted Brayford, we get him and now everyone says we should have spent money elsewhere!! kneejerk reactions need to stop, lets see were we are by the end of Feb if its not improved then I agree Cloughs position needs to be evaluated. Lets just enjoy the ride, I would much rather be a Blade than endure the same sleepy dull, non ambitious other side of the City

#obsessed
Clough has had over a year now, not 5 or 6 weeks. He has an enormous budget, and an enormous squad. We are rubbish, and getting worse. The club is in its worst period in history, facing its 5th year in the third division. And almost 20,000 keep turning up.

We agree on one thing, for different reasons. Neither of us understand our fans.

UTB
 
The answer is 888 to the harsh criticism.

8th as it stands
8 fewer goals than Leyton Orient (who are bottom)
8 points above Coventry (20th position) who are having a shocking season

For the size of squad and the wage bill compared to the rest of the division that is utter shit.

Not advocating Clough gets sacked but to suggest he shouldn't be in line for some serious criticism is just bonkers.
 
My post it trying to stay positive and give Clough till the end of the month. He will have had enough time then gents. I just hate the knee jerk reactions always come after a defeat. End of January then take stock?
 
Despite Clough's calm persona, a manager who seems to know what he's talking about, the longer this piss poor form continues the more I'm inclined to think he's completely and utterly lost

People can fall for the pre-match and post-match interview bluster, but the acid test is on the pitch, not the honest interviews off it

At the moment he is unsure of his best side. His answer is to sign more players. How many loans next I wonder?

I cannot recall, in all my years of being a blade, a manager bringing in so many players in such a short a period of time. It borders on ridiculous and yet here we are 6 months on, 20 odd players later and we still lack a quality striker

As far back as last season Clough has been so blaze about bringing in a striker. We need one! We might look at bringing one in! We don't need one! Now it's fkin panic stations as we slip down the table. Borders on negligence in my book

Yes, there are other mitigating factors. The team, the squad, the whole fkin gang of em aren't performing. Who's fault? Don't know, but one thing is certain. The facts are there to see and if we fail to make the cut, then the buck stops with the manager
 
The answer is 888 to the harsh criticism.

8th as it stands
8 fewer goals than Leyton Orient (who are bottom)
8 points above Coventry (20th position) who are having a shocking season

For the size of squad and the wage bill compared to the rest of the division that is utter shit.

Not advocating Clough gets sacked but to suggest he shouldn't be in line for some serious criticism is just bonkers.
When you put it in those terms it looks bloody awful, doesn't it?
 
My post it trying to stay positive and give Clough till the end of the month. He will have had enough time then gents. I just hate the knee jerk reactions always come after a defeat. End of January then take stock?
Knee jerk reactions ??? we have been gash most of the season and if you take our last ten games form we are bottom four material, and you don't understand the harsh criticism aimed at Clough ............................ jeez some people :confused::confused::confused:
 
Agreed do we really need 4 right backs. Also I meant end of Feb. I trust in Nigel, my only concern is 1 promotion in 13 years?
 
I just don't understand the harsh criticism that is aimed toward Clough. Most of you are unaware of what goes off behind closed door at Bramall Lane. The great thing about Football is that in brings so many people together by the love of there team yet divides some many by opinion. I see other clubs like Northampton hounding and calling for Chris Wilders head and 5 weeks later after 6/7 straight wins and manager of the month and now he is the saviour.. Same has to be said for Nigel, this time last year we were 23rd in an awful league, he made us top of the form guide by the end of the season and cup semi final in which we scored 3 goals.... this season he has taken us to a semi and the 5th round of the FA cup, yet we have very indifferent league consistency. I guess what I'm saying is football fans especially us Blades need to take things month on month rather than game by game.... we all wanted Brayford, we get him and now everyone says we should have spent money elsewhere!! kneejerk reactions need to stop, lets see were we are by the end of Feb if its not improved then I agree Cloughs position needs to be evaluated. Lets just enjoy the ride, I would much rather be a Blade than endure the same sleepy dull, non ambitious other side of the City

#obsessed

The opening title of the post is slightly wrong. It should read "Do SOME ever stop moaning"

To be fair, most have a moan or rant at times - some just more loudly than other................it's the Blades way I suppose.

Has anyone mentioned we actually have a game tomorrow? Perhaps it might pass without anyone noticing.

UTB
 
Knee jerk reactions ??? we have been gash most of the season and if you take our last ten games form we are bottom four material, and you don't understand the harsh criticism aimed at Clough ............................ jeez some people :confused::confused::confused:
Agree that maybe the cups have masked a poor league assault but we are 8th not 18th?
 
Agree that maybe the cups have masked a poor league assault but we are 8th not 18th?

ahh yes but the bookies said we would walk the league this season - some must have actually believed the hype.

Our problems go back to an absolute shocking pre-season and the league form has just mirrored that poor form.

Clough will hopefully sort it out, but not at all quickly enough for some I'm afraid.

UTB
 
I just don't understand the harsh criticism that is aimed toward Clough. Most of you are unaware of what goes off behind closed door at Bramall Lane. The great thing about Football is that in brings so many people together by the love of there team yet divides some many by opinion. I see other clubs like Northampton hounding and calling for Chris Wilders head and 5 weeks later after 6/7 straight wins and manager of the month and now he is the saviour.. Same has to be said for Nigel, this time last year we were 23rd in an awful league, he made us top of the form guide by the end of the season and cup semi final in which we scored 3 goals.... this season he has taken us to a semi and the 5th round of the FA cup, yet we have very indifferent league consistency. I guess what I'm saying is football fans especially us Blades need to take things month on month rather than game by game.... we all wanted Brayford, we get him and now everyone says we should have spent money elsewhere!! kneejerk reactions need to stop, lets see were we are by the end of Feb if its not improved then I agree Cloughs position needs to be evaluated. Lets just enjoy the ride, I would much rather be a Blade than endure the same sleepy dull, non ambitious other side of the City

#obsessed


The day we stop moaning will be the day we can't get a ticket at The Lane because it will be full of all the new glory hunters who will have tagged themselves to the club ' us we're top four Premership.

Although complaining about not being able to get a ticket will be moaning so the answer is NO.
 
Agreed do we really need 4 right backs. Also I meant end of Feb. I trust in Nigel, my only concern is 1 promotion in 13 years?
Yes, small concerns line that, world hunger and stuff. :)

UTB
 



In his latest interview he says 'if we are still here', and he's started to sound like Adams. I like the man, but have witnessed some dire football this season. Too many players, no settled side. Has he lost the plot? well so far yes he has in the league. I dread to think what the reaction will be tomorrow night if we don't get a comvinving victory. The football is boring and if I didn't have two season tickets I would have given up going.
 
The answer is 888 to the harsh criticism.

8th as it stands
8 fewer goals than Leyton Orient (who are bottom)
8 points above Coventry (20th position) who are having a shocking season

For the size of squad and the wage bill compared to the rest of the division that is utter shit.

Not advocating Clough gets sacked but to suggest he shouldn't be in line for some serious criticism is just bonkers.

Following the huge success when he came in last season, the board have backed him and gone for it, both in the Summer and January Windows.

He's been in a privileged position this year that very few managers outside the top four in the Premier league are fortunate enough to get. He's been given a big budget to bring in a lot of players, a whole new squad really.

The signs were there before Christmas that something was building, FA Cup and League Cup games have been exceptional. A great effort and shows that if we stick with him, he will build a side based on youth and pace. 3 goals v QPR, coming back from 2 down in the Spurs game. The side looked unphased by the big boys in front of them.

However, its probably been a millstone around Cloughs neck. Success in cups and spending in the transfer windows to bring so many players. Most of which are undoubtedly talented and have shown their potential.

I said in the summer we needed time for the players to gel and it took a lot of time, its still taking time. Then we've added again in December and January, none of the players that we've brought in have been shit. They all fit the Clough mould - decent footballers, adaptable, able to fit into Cloughs 'Total football system' of being able to slot into several positions, wingers slotting in for Full backs, centre halves sitting in midfield. In many ways we've bought a side of Utility players.

Cloughs bought in youth and pace as well, but whilst we've got very little height in what would be the first 11, the side he put out at Preston in the Cup was like a side of giants compared to the previous game with Spurs. But it seems that the mix of these two sides isn't happening like we and Clough would like.

Lets make no mistake, this is a poor division from top 6-8 down, with many sides getting success through physicality rather than footballing prowess. Its not a criticism its just the way the division is. So it seems.

After Preston I saw lots of post about how poor we were, how we got bullied (we did, i said this myself), well it took Preston 4 games to work us out and beat us. Yet the criticism was levelled all the same.

I will admit, i didn't hold out much hope for Gillingham away, its not our game. It doesn't mean that all the work of Clough and his team has failed, it doesn't mean that we need endless threads of how Clough hates Butler, Collins and Diego.

This season has really turned into another season of transition. Its sad to say, but whilst Bristol City, MK Dons and Swindon have both hit the ground running and been consistent, we've lacked a killer instinct too much. I think too much was placed on bringing O'Grady in during the summer and then in January, the side is set up ready for that one last player to make it all click, i sincerely think that.

The worry is that Matty Done, whilst i am sure he'll add more pace and goals to the side, he's not going to be the O'Grady that we need.

Personally i think Clough is the right man for the club for both now and the next few years. Let him build and take the time, sadly it will be another season in League one...
 
It doesn't concern me.
Hmmmn
One of our games in hand is vs Scunthorpe - who are 18th and only 6 points behind us. It's feasible that they beat us and win another and we lose another then they could be above us. I find that quite scary given the poor start to the season they had.

They have also scored 5 more goals than we have on the same number of games.
 
Following the huge success when he came in last season, the board have backed him and gone for it, both in the Summer and January Windows.

He's been in a privileged position this year that very few managers outside the top four in the Premier league are fortunate enough to get. He's been given a big budget to bring in a lot of players, a whole new squad really.

The signs were there before Christmas that something was building, FA Cup and League Cup games have been exceptional. A great effort and shows that if we stick with him, he will build a side based on youth and pace. 3 goals v QPR, coming back from 2 down in the Spurs game. The side looked unphased by the big boys in front of them.

However, its probably been a millstone around Cloughs neck. Success in cups and spending in the transfer windows to bring so many players. Most of which are undoubtedly talented and have shown their potential.

I said in the summer we needed time for the players to gel and it took a lot of time, its still taking time. Then we've added again in December and January, none of the players that we've brought in have been shit. They all fit the Clough mould - decent footballers, adaptable, able to fit into Cloughs 'Total football system' of being able to slot into several positions, wingers slotting in for Full backs, centre halves sitting in midfield. In many ways we've bought a side of Utility players.

Cloughs bought in youth and pace as well, but whilst we've got very little height in what would be the first 11, the side he put out at Preston in the Cup was like a side of giants compared to the previous game with Spurs. But it seems that the mix of these two sides isn't happening like we and Clough would like.

Lets make no mistake, this is a poor division from top 6-8 down, with many sides getting success through physicality rather than footballing prowess. Its not a criticism its just the way the division is. So it seems.

After Preston I saw lots of post about how poor we were, how we got bullied (we did, i said this myself), well it took Preston 4 games to work us out and beat us. Yet the criticism was levelled all the same.

I will admit, i didn't hold out much hope for Gillingham away, its not our game. It doesn't mean that all the work of Clough and his team has failed, it doesn't mean that we need endless threads of how Clough hates Butler, Collins and Diego.

This season has really turned into another season of transition. Its sad to say, but whilst Bristol City, MK Dons and Swindon have both hit the ground running and been consistent, we've lacked a killer instinct too much. I think too much was placed on bringing O'Grady in during the summer and then in January, the side is set up ready for that one last player to make it all click, i sincerely think that.

The worry is that Matty Done, whilst i am sure he'll add more pace and goals to the side, he's not going to be the O'Grady that we need.

Personally i think Clough is the right man for the club for both now and the next few years. Let him build and take the time, sadly it will be another season in League one...
So you're saying that this season is a learning curve for NC as well then? As such it's already a write off?

He hasn't shown enough signs of it yet but he needs to attack the poorer teams and dominate them and use the "cup tactics" of contain and counter against the better teams. We need to play 2 up front against the poorer teams and get our noses in front early. They will tend to crumble then as confidence drains. Conversely the longer a game goes on and we haven't scored the more confident the opposition get knowing that we can't hurt them. That's when the defensive ricket occurs and we start to chase the game. It's happened so often you'd have thought the professionals at the club might have cottoned on by now but if that's the case why is the lone striker always so isolated?
 
I want to see 2 strikers and attacking football,not 1 man up front against crap like Gillingham,Crewe,Colchester etc goals win games,fact,and the main difference between the teams in this league is goals,or strikers,that's all we are lacking and everyone has been aware of this all season.
Why are other league 1 sides loaning good players from the premier league and we are not?
Are our scouts only allowed to visit Derby or Scotland?
 
So you're saying that this season is a learning curve for NC as well then? As such it's already a write off?

He hasn't shown enough signs of it yet but he needs to attack the poorer teams and dominate them and use the "cup tactics" of contain and counter against the better teams. We need to play 2 up front against the poorer teams and get our noses in front early. They will tend to crumble then as confidence drains. Conversely the longer a game goes on and we haven't scored the more confident the opposition get knowing that we can't hurt them. That's when the defensive ricket occurs and we start to chase the game. It's happened so often you'd have thought the professionals at the club might have cottoned on by now but if that's the case why is the lone striker always so isolated?

rather than a learning curve, it's been a long period of settlement. I wouldn't call this season a write off, it's definitely had some real highs. But as for the league programme, I'm resigned to the play offs so, in that respect, we've got a real struggle to get anything more than play offs. And no we won't go up through the play offs.

We need to attack more that's absolutely right, but I think with the 3 strikers that we've shown in recent games. Not two necessarily as it will make the set up unbalanced.

However, we concede goals too frequently at critical times. After we score, late in games, we need to learn to ensure that we concede less. We got it last year, but this year we've lacked that decisiveness at the back.

We will lose games, but it's the manner of how we can't close out a game that concerns me more, we can take Preston last week as an example. Took the lead against the run of play, but failed to close the game with a second as well as not protecting the lead we had.

There's lots of work to do, getting the striker to hold the ball, getting closer to the striker from the two wider outlets to support him and defending as a unit
 
ahh yes but the bookies said we would walk the league this season - some must have actually believed the hype.

Our problems go back to an absolute shocking pre-season and the league form has just mirrored that poor form.

Clough will hopefully sort it out, but not at all quickly enough for some I'm afraid.

UTB



Glad to see you're back on an even keel now Fulwood, that makes me more optimistic again.:).

Isn't it 5 months since pre-season though?:( quite a while for " the league form to just mirror that poor form". Not that I'm moaning like.
 
If we get promoted all this will be forgotten, if we don't it won't be, simple as that.
My personal view is the players at our disposal, are in any mix able to beat any team in this division, why they aren't i have no idea.
Another season in league one is not one i cherish but if that is needed to build a team capable of doing a Southampton then I'll swallow my bitterness, take the comments from s6 on the chin, why because its not just about 1 or even 5 seasons its longer term, and if my club are challenging top 2 in championship in a coupla seasons and holding their own in prem in 5 seasons ill not remember these wilderness years because all I care about, win lose or draw is my blades are still the best team to support :)
 



I was one who was highly delighted when Clough joined us, took to him straight away, once said he could have been a lifetime Blade he fitted the personality of our club so well, understood and applauded almost every decision he made last season, including player release, team selections, tactics, style of football, loved his interviews and his calm approach.

I even watched his early and decisive activity in the transfer market and believed each addition was done for a reason, indeed the new player profiles looked appropriate for our situation.

The expected "strong strike-force of four" never arrived and as time went on it dawned on me that it wasn't going to. I have been in shock about that for some time and I believe that is the root cause of all the problems our manager has had this season. I am also in shock how an experienced manager can do everything right for so many months and then seem to lose his composure. Whatever happened in pre-season with Butler and Collins seems to have knocked us for six. Why we have been unable to recruit any quality strikers beggars belief.

I think we are all in shock and yes our reaction is to moan. Are we always moaning? No, even when results don't go our way we are happy if we can see progress being made and proper leadership forward. We are in shock that we are off the rails and failing at this point in time. In all my years watching United I can't recall such an unexpected reversal of confidence and belief, usually you can see it coming a mile off. It is still hard to believe how it's happened and the cup successes have only added to the mystery of it all.

I do admire those who have kept positive on here but surely even they know that pre-season favourites shouldn't sign so many players without including quality strikers amongst them; it's negligent frankly. Not as simple as that? Yes it is!
 

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