Director of Football Coming In?

[Upton_Blade]

Plenty of clubs have a similar structure to ours and are very successful. Some very successful managers prefer to work in a similar way to Wilder. Did Alex Ferguson at Man U, Mourinho at Chelsea or Clough at Forest work under a DoF? Were their fans complaining about the lack of a DoF as the trophies stacked up?

Saying that, I can completely understand the idea that managers should concentrate on doing what they are best at, and should not try to micromanage everything. Team selection, formation, tactics and motivation are key managerial roles. Managers already have help with recruitment, a DoF is not necessary for that.

Good grief how far back to you want to go? Shall we go back to Shankly to try and reason why a proper structure at a club doesn't work??

 

[Kenilworth]

It’d be different as the recruitment wouldn’t be set for one man’s thoughts, there’d be an action plan in place for how the club wants to play, rather than how one man wants to play, you say it’s just the premier league clubs, but it’s not. Quite a few championship clubs and some league one clubs operate with this model, it takes away the need for us to be stuck with one mans model and thought process which in turn keeps us in this cycle.

No it doesn’t. It’s just a different man and the one responsible for the results has limited say in who gets recruited.

 

[Kenilworth]

See Man City use a DoF
Case closed

 

[Danetheblade]

No it doesn’t. It’s just a different man and the one responsible for the results has limited say in who gets recruited.

And that different man guides the clubs recruitment philosophy with a view of years rather than months.

 

[Kenilworth]

And that different man guides the clubs recruitment philosophy with a view of years rather than months.

And never drops a bollock?

Really?

 

[Upton_Blade]

And never drops a bollock?

Really?

 

[Danetheblade]

And never drops a bollock?

Really?

I never mentioned bollock dropping. Everyone drops a bollock from time to time. Weather that’s a manager or a DOF.

 

[UTB Blade]

I never mentioned bollock dropping. Everyone drops a bollock from time to time. Weather that’s a manager or a DOF.

Or whether it's a poster on a message board, knowing whether 'weather' or 'whether' is the correct spelling of 'weather' or 'whether', depending on whether he's talking about whether it's a manager or a DOF, or whether he's talking about the weather.

 

[jt64]

Of course they would say no. Ask them if they would trade their entire history for ours, they'd say yes. Ask them if they'd trade their past five years for ours, they'd say yes

I mean that last statement is being extremely specific. The entirety of football is about experiencing the highs which come with success. Entire history? None of them are going to be alive to remember when we did anything that is worth mentioning. Last five years? That went - 1, make manager appointment that didn't go well, crawl into playoffs, lose. 2, will give you that. 3, gave up on season before it started. 4, turgid shit, ran hotter than the sun to get the points we did, but got found out when it mattered. 5, instantly unforgettable. We got promoted once. Yay. Are we any closer to getting promoted and staying there than we were when that five year period started? No. Is anyone alive to remember when we won anything? No.

 

[Danetheblade]

Or whether it's a poster on a message board, knowing whether 'weather' or 'whether' is the correct spelling of 'weather' or 'whether', depending on whether he's talking about whether it's a manager or a DOF, or whether he's talking about the weather.

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Sorry sir, I’ll be sure to do my English homework.

 

[Kenilworth]

Or whether it's a poster on a message board, knowing whether 'weather' or 'whether' is the correct spelling of 'weather' or 'whether', depending on whether he's talking about whether it's a manager or a DOF, or whether he's talking about the weather.

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He dropped a bollock, there, didn’t he?

 

[brownblade]

Jags (Head DoF) and Billy (player/Associate DoF) being announced tomorrow.

They're then doing the retained list in the style of spoken word poetry, as their first public action.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Is there any actual rumour/evidence of
a DoF coming in?

No

 

[Silent Blade]

The SCR system limits Clubs spending on Player and Manager-related costs (including transfer fees) to a set percentage of their income, alongside a limited level of owner funding.

Looks life it is now a waste of salary having a DoF?

 

[Yogi]

The SCR system limits Clubs spending on Player and Manager-related costs (including transfer fees) to a set percentage of their income, alongside a limited level of owner funding.

Looks life it is now a waste of salary having a DoF?

Nope executives and administrative staff explicitly exempt from SCR so arguably that is the space where clubs will be able to gain an edge on each other by having the best executive and administrative staff enabling them to maximise the return on their allowed spending on other areas under SCR.

The new spending rules are set up in such a way to reward and favour clubs with productive academies and scouting infrastructures. It incentivises buying low and selling high.

Expect clubs with money to spend to start investing heavily in their academies and scouting infrastructures.

 

[Silent Blade]

Nope executives and administrative staff explicitly exempt from SCR so arguably that is the space where clubs will be able to gain an edge on each other by having the best executive and administrative staff enabling them to maximise the return on their allowed spending on other areas under SCR.

The new spending rules are set up in such a way to reward and favour clubs with productive academies and scouting infrastructures. It incentivises buying low and selling high.

Expect clubs with money to spend to start investing heavily in their academies and scouting infrastructures.

Thanks

 

[Sithblade]

Doesn't it just force clubs to flog off their youth prospects to bank the 100% profit?
It's why Newcastle had to sell Elliot Anderson to Forest.
See El Accountio has mentioned it.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Everybody is in the same boat though. So it will affect other teams just the same. Wages and transfer fees will adjust accordingly.

 

[Blade56]

For PL seasons to be remembered with fondness the team would at least had to have been competitive. Although the Bassett and Warnock relegations were painful, they were very dramatic seasons with a lot of excitement, nerves, ups and downs until the very end. Our last two relegations were just embarrassing.

It was a shame we couldn't evolve/build on 2019/20.

Big difference is heart, pashun and grit could get you through then without being a rich club. Now you have to be a rich club or you can’t stick in PL

 

[sufc323]

The SCR system limits Clubs spending on Player and Manager-related costs (including transfer fees) to a set percentage of their income, alongside a limited level of owner funding.

Looks life it is now a waste of salary having a DoF?

When you see the amount we're wasting on salaries on the likes of Matos, McGuinness, Chong, Cannon, Rothwell, Phillips, Hoever, Shackleton etc from having no apparent structure in place, paying for a DoF might be an effective way of maximising the most of our funds.

 

[KMC-1889]

When you see the amount we're wasting on salaries on the likes of Matos, McGuinness, Chong, Cannon, Rothwell, Phillips, Hoever, Shackleton etc from having no apparent structure in place, paying for a DoF might be an effective way of maximising the most of our funds.

This is the main benefit - it allows 3 - 5 year planning without every manager having to bring 'his' team in and waste more money. You recruit a manager to suit your squad rather than having to churn your squad every 18 months.

 

[54yrblade]

Money is irrelevant. 'Over, round or through' will be enough.

 

[KMC-1889]

This is the main benefit - it allows 3 - 5 year planning without every manager having to bring 'his' team in and waste more money. You recruit a manager to suit your squad rather than having to churn your squad every 18 months.

And to answer a reoccurring theme from earlier in the thread - this is where the quality of your technical board/DOF is judged. If they are consistently building poor squads and having poor results in transfer windows, not taking advantage of local youth development etc... then as CEO you can change the technical board without necessarily removing the manager.

 

[Snowflake]

Nope executives and administrative staff explicitly exempt from SCR so arguably that is the space where clubs will be able to gain an edge on each other by having the best executive and administrative staff enabling them to maximise the return on their allowed spending on other areas under SCR.

The new spending rules are set up in such a way to reward and favour clubs with productive academies and scouting infrastructures. It incentivises buying low and selling high.

Expect clubs with money to spend to start investing heavily in their academies and scouting infrastructures.

Can an executive responsible for recruitment be exempt from these latest rules ? Surely not.

 

[brownblade]

Saw this and thought of... Us.

 

[FriethBlade]

That's not the only argument.

We currently have a manager who presumably doesn't want to work under a DoF. If we appointed one against his will, instability would ensure.

The calls to bring a DoF in are also based on the argument that we are serial losers and something has to change. This is not correct. We are actually doing okay for a club of our size and wealth. You can look at Brentford and Brighton as evidence we are doing something wrong. But equally you can look at the pigs and Leicester as evidence that by and large we are getting it right.

No you are missing the point, the argument isnt that we are serial losers, its that there is no long term football plan which means whenever a manager is changed the new one has a squad he doesn't want as he plays a different style of football.

We've seen that twice in the recent past with Jokanovic and Selles and again when they were sacked. We have wasted a ton of money doing this. We need a style of play, players who can play thst way and when the manager is changed another is brought in to play that same style with the same squad.

This is part of the reason Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth have done so well. It doesn't seem to matter who the manager is. Who thought a Keith Alexander managed Brentford would be challenging for Europe and not miss a beat when Frank left for Spurs?

 

[Carlton Blade]

Doesn't it just force clubs to flog off their youth prospects to bank the 100% profit?
It's why Newcastle had to sell Elliot Anderson to Forest.
See El Accountio has mentioned it.

He's chatting shit, as always. SCR is calculated each year, against each year's income. If you don't have the income each year, you can't just spend up to the created amortisation from a sale

Selling a player for £20m doesn’t give you £68m to spend — it lets you commit to £17m per year of costs, which can add up to £68m in fees only if future income continues to justify it.

 

[Yogi]

Can an executive responsible for recruitment be exempt from these latest rules ? Surely not.

Don’t know the press release just says “The SCR system limits Clubs spending on Player and Manager-related costs (including transfer fees) to a set percentage of their income, alongside a limited level of owner funding”.

Whilst a DoF would be responsible for recruitment I’m not sure you could count his salary as a player related cost and if you do where would you draw the line as then every single first team scout or analyst would also be a player related cost and that would be far too far.

You couldn’t do it by job title either because as soon as you did clubs would just reclassify them as technical directors or head scouts etc.

 

[Snowflake]

Don’t know the press release just says “The SCR system limits Clubs spending on Player and Manager-related costs (including transfer fees) to a set percentage of their income, alongside a limited level of owner funding”.

Whilst a DoF would be responsible for recruitment I’m not sure you could count his salary as a player related cost and if you do where would you draw the line as then every single first team scout or analyst would also be a player related cost and that would be far too far.

You couldn’t do it by job title either because as soon as you did clubs would just reclassify them as technical directors or head scouts etc.

Looks like another set of loopholes !!

 

[ghandi]

No you are missing the point, the argument isnt that we are serial losers, its that there is no long term football plan which means whenever a manager is changed the new one has a squad he doesn't want as he plays a different style of football.

We've seen that twice in the recent past with Jokanovic and Selles and again when they were sacked. We have wasted a ton of money doing this. We need a style of play, players who can play thst way and when the manager is changed another is brought in to play that same style with the same squad.

This is part of the reason Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth have done so well. It doesn't seem to matter who the manager is. Who thought a Keith Alexander managed Brentford would be challenging for Europe and not miss a beat when Frank left for Spurs?

Keith Alexander is dead I think you mean Keith Andrews who was a coach brought in by Wilder on his return, perhaps we should have made him the manager not Wilder