Director of Football Coming In?

[KMC-1889]

How do you think that is best solved?

giving the jobs to Bettis & Wilder apparently.

 

[Wards]

I just don’t see where we have the funds and the infrastructure to warrant a DoF

Personally I'd look at it the other way - if it saves us one 'bad' signing a year on the playing side then it pays for itself ten times over.

THat's not me saying it definitely would do that either, but it'd be nice not to fall into the mistake of signing McGuiness, Chong, Matos et al on a whim when we've exhausted all other options.

 

[Carlton Blade]

It shows it’s not a panacea.
The blind acceptance that a DoF is the answer is hilarious

I've never said that. I've explicitly said the opposite. But it gives you a better chance of repeatable success

 

[Carlton Blade]

Don’t see why that would be different with a DoF

That makes no sense. A DoF wouldn't want United to change structure to bring in a DoF + qualified support?

 

[Kenilworth]

It's often written, and largely true that we have owners who have very little football knowledge. So they struggle making top level football based decisions on the future and direction of the club.
How do you think that is best solved?

Are you saying that none of that can happen without a DoF?

Clearly it needs people with knowledge of the game and how to run a top league football club.
We had Derek Dooley for years to give the board a footballing perspective. We don’t have a DD figure, now. But he wasn’t a DoF, just a very well connected and hugely respected football man, steeped in Sheffield football history and a long term United man.

My perspective is that you can have a perfectly viable football club with football experts in a structure that doesn’t necessitate a DoF. My contention is that many people are stating that a DoF is the answer on pure speculation and a desire to “try summat different”
How does it make any change?
It’s one more person, who has authority but without accountability. That’s why you get a coach/ manager merrygoround at clubs who have an apparently untouchable DoF.

What’s the difference between a manager run club where the manager has a team around them to cover the different roles. A structure where the manager is closer to the board and responsible to the board. A DoF is effectively the board’s man in the middle and unless the club is hugely complicated (which ours isn’t compared to those clubs at the apex of the PL) then what purpose does it have?

 

[Kenilworth]

I've never said that. I've explicitly said the opposite. But it gives you a better chance of repeatable success

How so?
Where does it illustrate repeatable success?

 

[Kenilworth]

That makes no sense. A DoF wouldn't want United to change structure to bring in a DoF + qualified support?

Why can’t a manager bring in qualified support?
Do you think Wilder hasn’t got any support?
He has people of a football qualification and people with other skillls. What would a DoF do that makes the difference ?
An extra person with authority but no accountability for the playing side? Where managers and coaches go through a revolving door based on points won or lost?
It’s always a short term measure.
I don’t see it as a long term strategy unless it’s tied to a whole programme of infrastructure changes and a very large investment in that.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Are you saying that none of that can happen without a DoF?

Clearly it needs people with knowledge of the game and how to run a top league football club.
We had Derek Dooley for years to give the board a footballing perspective. We don’t have a DD figure, now. But he wasn’t a DoF, just a very well connected and hugely respected football man, steeped in Sheffield football history and a long term United man.

My perspective is that you can have a perfectly viable football club with football experts in a structure that doesn’t necessitate a DoF. My contention is that many people are stating that a DoF is the answer on pure speculation and a desire to “try summat different”
How does it make any change?
It’s one more person, who has authority but without accountability. That’s why you get a coach/ manager merrygoround at clubs who have an apparently untouchable DoF.

What’s the difference between a manager run club where the manager has a team around them to cover the different roles. A structure where the manager is closer to the board and responsible to the board. A DoF is effectively the board’s man in the middle and unless the club is hugely complicated (which ours isn’t compared to those clubs at the apex of the PL) then what purpose does it have?

In that example. Derek Dooley is exactly what a director football is. It just wasn't called that then.
Who is supposed to do that now?

 

[Carlton Blade]

How so?
Where does it illustrate repeatable success?

Lets leave it. It's the exact same conversation again. You think 1 person i charge of everything, inckuding 1st team results is better ththan a group of qualified and experienced people focused on their areas of expertise being led by someone who's putting a long term plan in place as well as aiding the current person in charge of results. You're view won't change, neither will mine

 

[Carlton Blade]

Why can’t a manager bring in qualified support?
Do you think Wilder hasn’t got any support?
He has people of a football qualification and people with other skillls. What would a DoF do that makes the difference ?
An extra person with authority but no accountability for the playing side? Where managers and coaches go through a revolving door based on points won or lost?
It’s always a short term measure.
I don’t see it as a long term strategy unless it’s tied to a whole programme of infrastructure changes and a very large investment in that.

Me repeating the same argument is pretty pointless now

 

[The Fox]

Can't think why but this sprung to mind .

 

[FriethBlade]

In that example. Derek Dooley is exactly what a director football is. It just wasn't called that then.
Who is supposed to do that now?

Wilder is...and what I dont understand is why he isnt behind the bar on the South Stand pulling pints at half time too.

Anyone who cant see that a long term strategy playing and player wise implemented by someone high up wouldn't be a better solution than flip flopping when we change managers is willfully blind or Wilder or Bettis's best mate. By establishing that structure you improve your chances of long term success and reduce the likelihood of wasting money like we have now Wilder is back and doesn't fancy any of the Selles era signings.

Why exactly does anyone think Brentford and Brighton are punching way above their weight and that it doesn't seem to matter what manager they have? Did Andrews have to gut the Brentford squad when he came in? No...and its because he was brought in to manage to their long term process which is implemented higher up the club. He just has to coach the players that are there.

But dont worry we will be reight so long a Wilder is here til hes 90, in fact maybe the DoF role is one for him.