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Lots of clubs have directors of football in these days.

They still fail. And it's just another barrier between fair criticism and the owners/board. Leicester fans blame their woes on their dofs as they slide from champions of the premier league to potentially league one in ten years.
 



Purely because of an affinity and loyalty to the club. I tried to outline that in my rambling!
That would be the last thing I would want in anyone coming in this capacity. You can't drive the club forward if you think an important thing is to look backwards, and it is ludicrous to think that because someone was alright as a player they would be remotely competent as a DoF. You wouldn't ask the tea lady to take first team coaching, would you?
 
Lots of clubs have directors of football in these days.

They still fail. And it's just another barrier between fair criticism and the owners/board. Leicester fans blame their woes on their dofs as they slide from champions of the premier league to potentially league one in ten years.
Our transfer business has been absolutely tosh, in fact for what we've spent, it couldn't be much worse...

So a DoF approach can't be any worse either.
 
Our transfer business has been absolutely tosh, in fact for what we've spent, it couldn't be much worse...

So a DoF approach can't be any worse either.
We have had success without it. And failure without it. What is needed is smart recruitment and a ethos throughout the club for sure. I am not sure that needs a guy earning a few hundred thousand to achieve.
 
That would be the last thing I would want in anyone coming in this capacity. You can't drive the club forward if you think an important thing is to look backwards, and it is ludicrous to think that because someone was alright as a player they would be remotely competent as a DoF. You wouldn't ask the tea lady to take first team coaching, would you?
The last thing you'd want is someone with an affinity for the club? Strange post all round to be honest. Think it's a knee jerk response without thinking about what I said at all.
 
Lots of clubs have directors of football in these days.

They still fail. And it's just another barrier between fair criticism and the owners/board. Leicester fans blame their woes on their dofs as they slide from champions of the premier league to potentially league one in ten years.
Needs to be done well, with good people. Like anything.
 
Our transfer business has been absolutely tosh, in fact for what we've spent, it couldn't be much worse...

So a DoF approach can't be any worse either.
Broadly agree yep.

Our managerial appointments are generally bad as well. Which a steady DoF type would be in charge of rectifying.
 
The last thing you'd want is someone with an affinity for the club? Strange post all round to be honest. Think it's a knee jerk response without thinking about what I said at all.

Not a strange post in the slightest. The club has been mismanaged for ages. It needs fresh sight from someone external that knows what they're doing.
 
Bettis is of the view that a Director of Football is pointless, as the role carries a premium pay cheque for what is essentially a Head of Recruitment position.

I think he's got it completely wrong and I think Bettis is a problem.
I'm not a man on the inside, I am speculating a bit with that viewpoint but there you go.
 
Bettis is of the view that a Director of Football is pointless, as the role carries a premium pay cheque for what is essentially a Head of Recruitment position.

I think he's got it completely wrong and I think Bettis is a problem.
I'm not a man on the inside, I am speculating a bit with that viewpoint but there you go.
I guess different clubs give that job title different responsibilities. Hopefully someone points that out to him.

The other bonus of Jags/Sharp is they don't need a giant pay cheque.

It's a valid point if we can't afford the staff, but a good appointment should be making the club money with consistent performance and improvement on and off the pitch.
 
Not a strange post in the slightest. The club has been mismanaged for ages. It needs fresh sight from someone external that knows what they're doing.

Fair enough yeah, maybe. Impossible to know what would work until we've tried and tested it.

My original post was looking at stopping the club being mismanaged by the way, by getting continuity and oversight above the manager's role.

As I also explained, having someone loyal and connected to the club might stop them leaving after two seasons for a bigger club.

It's a only a discussion point. 👍🏻

RE external and former players... David Weir was doing roles successfully for Brighton until recently. Great player, though one of our worst managers. Seemingly good at football oversight. Wouldn't want him obviously. But who knows who's good at the jobs?

Are there many people with a proven track record? I'm not sure there are.
 
I think really we need to understand the roles and responsibilities of a Director of Football in our case, it's interesting looking at other sports such as Rugby that are well known to have a "Director of Rugby" and head coach. I think it is easy to overcomplicate things to some extent. When you look at some of the boards of the more established clubs they have a very complex system of Director of Football and Director of Performance etc.

In general most people agree that Director of Football holds strategic responsibility for all football matters within a club, focusing on long-term philosophy, recruitment, coaching development, academy and high-level structure, often acting as a bridge between the board and the playing department

When you look at that they are middle-men, it's clear they need footballing knowledge at a board level but also have that ability to be able to identify a pathway for the club which can't be easy. Although ever so slightly different and another phrase for the job title is Football Technical Director, Toronto used this for a short time their aim is to design long-term sporting strategy, technical philosophy, and player development pathways to ensure consistency from the academy to the first team. They Bridge the gap between owners and coaching staff by managing recruitment, mentoring coaches, and overseeing staff recruitment. Toronto had Paul Mariner in for a while doing that role. I know we have no chance but Ralf Rangnick was at one point the Red Bull Group of teams Football Technical Director.

In summary for me if we are bring in a DoF or Football Technical Director or whatever there needs to be a clear reporting line and distinction of the roles and responsibilities, although a lot have probably rightfully said it's something that progressive clubs do, we need to know is it the right direction for us?
 
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We have had success without it. And failure without it. What is needed is smart recruitment and an ethos throughout the club for sure. I am not sure that needs a guy earning a few hundred thousand to achieve.
But the people running the club aren't football people and shown to be incapable of smart recruitment.

Your post is literally in support of a DOF 🤣
 
There was a post this week that listed a number of players that were (apparently) scouted by Jan Van Winckel and put forward to SUFC.

Now, I am not saying this is 100% true or that they were all available and within our price range, but if there is some truth in it, then I doubt that Van Winckel was putting forward names that The Prince/SUFC could not afford.

Whatever scouting network gave him those player names are probably the people we should be speaking to.
 



There was a post this week that listed a number of players that were (apparently) scouted by Jan Van Winckel and put forward to SUFC.

Now, I am not saying this is 100% true or that they were all available and within our price range, but if there is some truth in it, then I doubt that Van Winckel was putting forward names that The Prince/SUFC could not afford.

Whatever scouting network gave him those player names are probably the people we should be speaking to.
Didn't he recommend players like Souček before he went to Wet Spam?
 
Data companies don't make any decisions for a football club.
The reason we haven't established ourselves in the premier league is not down to a lack of director of football but funds. Turning profits in the premier league season because we brought/paid wages cheaply.

DoF isn't some magic wand and I don't really see how they do anything other than something pretty simple that SHOULD be the goal of the board/manager/club regardless.
 
The reason we haven't established ourselves in the premier league is not down to a lack of director of football but funds. Turning profits in the premier league season because we brought/paid wages cheaply.

DoF isn't some magic wand and I don't really see how they do anything other than something pretty simple that SHOULD be the goal of the board/manager/club regardless.
Not at all because the transfers bordered on terrible and then hired a completely different type of manager we didn't have the players for?
 
Not at all because the transfers bordered on terrible and then hired a completely different type of manager we didn't have the players for?
Until the mess of last summer you could make a case for the signings we made had kept as a top 2/3 quality championship side. I am not convinced we needed a massive diversion from that. The one we DID go with was a huge mistake.
 
Our transfer business has been absolutely tosh, in fact for what we've spent, it couldn't be much worse...

So a DoF approach can't be any worse either.
Plus the DoF is supposed to have accountability for transfers whilst Head Coaches come and go. So not (e.g.) sign a load of mates then quit/sacked in 6 months. It's planning for years to come, where possible.
 
Until the mess of last summer you could make a case for the signings we made had kept as a top 2/3 quality championship side. I am not convinced we needed a massive diversion from that. The one we DID go with was a huge mistake.
We do sign some good players. But the cohesive, sensible, planned approach... Is not us!
 
Our managerial appointments are generally bad as well. Which a steady DoF type would be in charge of rectifying.

The average lifespan (tenure) of a Sporting Director or Director of Football in European "Big Five" leagues is approximately 2.6 years.

Just another scapegoat then.

If appointing a DOF were a simple answer to success then all the clubs who have or had one would be successful.

Barnsley had one for 18 months.
Rotherham have one.
Leicester City have one.
Tottenham Hotspurs have one.
Wolves have a five man team focused on strategy and first-team football.


What could possibly go wrong?
 
The average lifespan (tenure) of a Sporting Director or Director of Football in European "Big Five" leagues is approximately 2.6 years.

Just another scapegoat then.

If appointing a DOF were a simple answer to success then all the clubs who have or had one would be successful.

Barnsley had one for 18 months.
Rotherham have one.
Leicester City have one.
Tottenham Hotspurs have one.
Wolves have a five man team focused on strategy and first-team football.


What could possibly go wrong?
Fair point, even if it's some untrustworthy AI. Does backup my idea of a faithful longterm Jags/Billy pairing, though! 👍🏻😍

It's happening, isn't it.
 
Can't stop thinking about this DoF situation. Not necessarily a DoF, but a structure above the manager.

Silent Blade asked in another thread yesterday how/where you appoint a good one (or similar). Hard to know. And how do you get one that doesn't leave for a bigger job/cheque as soon as it's obvious they're good at it?

Somewhat on S2 I'd vaguely wondered if a sensible/likeable/smart club legend like Jags might be good at it and/or interested in doing this type of role for us.

Obviously I don't know how Jags thinks football should be played etc, so it's a suggestion with no inside/useful knowledge whatsoever.

Anyway, what would stop Jags getting bored or poached? Well, I was thinking about this last night... Jags and Billy seem like mates. Perhaps they could both have a role "Technical team" or "Directors of Football" or whatever. Kind of job share/work together on a few key areas that ensure first team and academies run the way they should be - employ Head Coaches that fit the ethos/style/culture etc.

Could those two oversee the football side of things for a couple of decades? Appeals to me at least! You'd imagine Billy would be delighted to be so important at the club? Jags hasn't looked like going into Management etc.

Wild idea - probably. Crazy - not necessarily?!

Obviously they wouldn't be in charge of the money etc. A few key football oversight responsibilities - reporting to the owners. These guys have seen it all in English football and both have big affiliations with the Blades.

Just an idea. If this post receives a thousand likes I'll donate £5 to charity.


Vacancies at Bramall Lane

Full time Director of Bladey Football required.

Must have experience of Bladeness. Previous good rapport with the fanbase a must.
Accountancy qualifications are not a prerequisite.
 
Bettis is of the view that a Director of Football is pointless, as the role carries a premium pay cheque for what is essentially a Head of Recruitment position.

I think he's got it completely wrong and I think Bettis is a problem.
I'm not a man on the inside, I am speculating a bit with that viewpoint but there you go.


I’m personally of the view, rightly or wrongly, that his statement on not having a DoF relates to the situation in March 2024 ie, with Wilder at the helm.

Did he broach the subject while Selles was here or since CW came back? Genuinely can’t recall.
 



The average lifespan (tenure) of a Sporting Director or Director of Football in European "Big Five" leagues is approximately 2.6 years.

Just another scapegoat then.

If appointing a DOF were a simple answer to success then all the clubs who have or had one would be successful.

Barnsley had one for 18 months.
Rotherham have one.
Leicester City have one.
Tottenham Hotspurs have one.
Wolves have a five man team focused on strategy and first-team football.


What could possibly go wrong?
We could stick with what we have and sign older, unfit and injured players.
 

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