Dean Smith asked by Sky

[Davalon]

Dean Smith is right.

The decision on the night was a joke but whatever the truth about Hawk Eye, Paul Tierney not talking to Oliver was beyond excuse.

That said it's ultimately referee error.

Some are getting embarrassing now with their demands and conspiracy theories.

Come the season end you can get bet that many will have a different opinion if it doesn't affect us but sends West Ham down.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

This was contradicted by VARs own statement, which basically reads: It is part of VARs remit, but we weren't expecting it so it's not our fault.

Is that like the statement whereby Hawkeye's 7 cameras didn't work because of a couple of guys and a post?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Is that like the statement whereby Hawkeye's 7 cameras didn't work because of a couple of guys and a post?

No, here's the full statement. Everything after the word "situations" is superfluous as they have clarified that it's both VAR and hawkeyes remit to rule on the ball going over the line. That it's a "unique situation" is neither here nor there as they should've already been briefed on this:

 

[ucandomagic]

The game against Villa was essentially meaningless to Leeds. Do you think Bielsa would have let them score if we had lost to Ipswich? If he had told his lot to let them score I doubt whether the players would have obeyed anyway.

That point could keep Villa up. They are a business. If Smith tells them to walk the ball in and it costs his employer > £100million surely he is in breach of his contract, making a coscious decision which was unquestionably to the detriment of the business.

 

[BushBlade]

No, here's the full statement. Evertything after the word "situations" is superfluous as they have clarified that it's both VAR and hawkeyes remit to rule on the ball going over the line. That it's "unique situation" is neither here nor there as they should've already been briefed on this:

They won’t have been briefed on it because nobody expected it to happen. If they’d delayed the match for five minutes and then realised it wasn’t quite over the line they’d have been hammered by all and sundry for fucking around.

I don’t like ‘defending’ officials or VAR but it’s a lot easier with hindsight. When I saw it I assumed initially it hadn’t quite crossed the line. It was only after several replays and eventually an angle that showed it had that I realised we’d been had over. I’m still pissed off but I can see how it happened.

 

[BobbyDavison'sDebut]

I would like to know what Billy was saying to Grealish before the start of the second half near the centre spot. He was pointing to the Villa goal as if to say 'Just pass it to me Jack and let me score. We all know we should be 1-0 up.'

 

[petcharlie]

I have to say that the sporting integrity of keepers was the reason goal line technology was implemented in the first place.

So the keeper didnt cheat then, regardless of everybody looking at the realisation in his face as he struggles in the side netting...

Anybody expecting anything resembling honesty from from John Terry and Co, needs to give thier head a wobble..

It's done, we make history again at our cost, we move on safe in the knowledge that var will be used in favour of our opposition again in the next match.

It's about time we got used to it mate.How many points has this tec cost us to date?Scrap the fu-king thing i say.Just like last time we were in the prem it stinks.I thought VAR and Goal Line tec would protect us from dodgy decisions I was wrong.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

They won’t have been briefed on it because nobody expected it to happen. If they’d delayed the match for five minutes and then realised it wasn’t quite over the line they’d have been hammered by all and sundry for fucking around.

I don’t like ‘defending’ officials or VAR but it’s a lot easier with hindsight. When I saw it I assumed initially it hadn’t quite crossed the line. It was only after several replays and eventually an angle that showed it had that I realised we’d been had over. I’m still pissed off but I can see how it happened.

Two questions need to be asked:

Michael Oliver. - why did you not follow up your gut feeling and go and check the screen? This would inevitably have led you to award a goal.

VAR Stockley Park. — you had the evidence, why did you not contact the referee to tell him to award a goal?

Neither of these happened because neither party had the balls, integrity or gumption to do it.

 

[true99blade]

Complete fence sitter with this. Valid obviously that it isn’t Villa’s fault, but the right thing morally would’ve been to let us walk it in, and the situation is completely comparable to the Leeds situation last season. But at the end of the day it isn’t their fault and there’s no way they should have been forced into it.

Predominantly pissed off with the incompetent cunts who allowed it to happen in the first place. Want Villa to go down even more now though just for coming out with such a hypocritical statement.

 

[Sharp as a blade]

I've got no problem with Dean Smith not forcing his team to let us score and can understand them not doing so given the situation they're in. The problem lies with VAR here.

However, for him to come out and say it has nothing to do with sporting integrity is just bullshit. He knew it was a goal and so did his players.

 

[Punk Blade]

I actually agree with him that they’re not comparable. There was nothing against the laws of the game in the Leeds incident, however underhanded it was. We, however, had a perfectly legal goal not awarded. We were far more entitled to get a freebie than they were.

 

[nopigfansintown]

They won’t have been briefed on it because nobody expected it to happen. If they’d delayed the match for five minutes and then realised it wasn’t quite over the line they’d have been hammered by all and sundry for fucking around.

I don’t like ‘defending’ officials or VAR but it’s a lot easier with hindsight. When I saw it I assumed initially it hadn’t quite crossed the line. It was only after several replays and eventually an angle that showed it had that I realised we’d been had over. I’m still pissed off but I can see how it happened.

I can't see how officials and VAR teams aren't briefed that there is a possibility, - however minute - that a goal could go over the line and not be awarded. The VAR team did view the pictures to see if there was a penalty, handball etc, but seemingly forgot that they are also part of the team that decides if the ball goes over the line. I can sympathies with the uniqueness of the situation, but they should've been aware of their remit and acted accordingly. The time is inconsequential, as Wilder said: we waited ten minutes at Spurs why can't we wait ten minutes here? I think two minutes would've been more than adequate. This was a multiple system failure: officials, hawkeye, then VAR. I'd imagine the VAR briefings will be a tad more lengthy in future.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Beware of criticising others’ lack of integrity until you have been tested. In the early 1970s, at Dungworth, I believe, in the lower reaches of the Friendlies Leagues, a shot flew past me, bounced down behind the line, and ended in my hands. I was about to own up to the ref when their centre-forward flattened me (think 1958 Cup Final, Lofthouse on Gregg, if you’re old enough), and I immediately changed my mind, accepting the free-kick and bearing the bruises for a couple of weeks. Afterwards the ref, whose wife was standing on the touch line, said he now understood the ball had crossed the line, but that I was right to keep quiet. The centre-forward had been winding him up all afternoon.

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

Yes Dean Smith we are not stupid. They ARE two very different scenarios between our game and the Leeds game. But at the end of the day it's professional football. Not semi-pro and not amateur football. It boils down to integrity and fair play. It only takes a few words to the ref at half time "ok we need to sort this shambles out, seen the replay and yes it's technically not our fault (even though it's the Villa players that are supposibly blocking the cameras), but we should do what's right"

 

[Harrisblade]

I agree with him. Villa shouldn't have given us the goal. Totally different circumstances.

I have been wondering though. Play eventually stopped with us winning a free kick. Could we have insisted on a VAR review before taking the free kick?

Can players or team officials ask for a VAR review?
According to something I read, once the ref had blown for a free-kick (and that phase of play ended) the VAR team were no longer able to inform the ref that a goal had been scored in the previous phase.
Apparently.

 

[petcharlie]

Before 2013 there was no such thing as goalline technology.

Plenty of times the ball will have gone in, defenders and keeper will have known it, but they kept playing anyway.

I doubt Villa's players expected to get away with that, but they did.

Everyone who's doing so, stop squealing and get on with the bloody game.

In 2013 there was no VAR or Goal Line monitoring today there is thats why fans are upset about it.The fact that someone working the VAR is actually sat there watching it is the issue.If it is not going to be used to correct howlers like this why bother with it.The whole point of the game is to score goals if that is not allowed to happen why are we bothering?The fact that it could cost the club millions and also force another club to be relegated is of huge importance.I can see big trouble ahead if Villa keep up and send someone else down because of the point they have pinched .All because some one sat on their arse can not be bothered to inform the ref that he has missed a goal.If VAR is not used for such important issues as putting the score right why do we bother with it.Basic stuff which could bite the FA arse in a couple of months time.

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

Hang on... A portion of the blame DOES lie with Villa. Erm which teams goalkeeper was it that carried it over the line? Which teams defender also pushed his own goalkeeper into the net... oh yeah VILLA. We had more right to a walk in goal than Villa did as Leeds didn't even do anything wrong.

 

[MobileBlade]

Here’s a question though: if Villa had let us walk the ball in, would we have brought McGoldrick on to get him off the mark?

Like we did with one of the Newcastle players at the Lane?

 

[TCsLoveChild]

Apologies if this has been asked before or is a stupid question but does the refs watch have to buzz for every goal to stand? I ask because what should happen if a perfectly ordinarily goal is scored and nestles in the bottom corner of the goal netting but the watch doesn’t buzz? Does the ref give a goal kick. Or does the watch only buzz in controversial circumstances? UTB

 

[nopigfansintown]

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

No, here's the full statement. Everything after the word "situations" is superfluous as they have clarified that it's both VAR and hawkeyes remit to rule on the ball going over the line. That it's a "unique situation" is neither here nor there as they should've already been briefed on this:

VAR saw it as we all did. "Has your watch gone off ref?"
'No'
''Well it should have, that's gone in''

Easy. Never mind protocol. Simple common sense

 

[oohaah]

They won’t have been briefed on it because nobody expected it to happen. If they’d delayed the match for five minutes and then realised it wasn’t quite over the line they’d have been hammered by all and sundry for fucking around.

I don’t like ‘defending’ officials or VAR but it’s a lot easier with hindsight. When I saw it I assumed initially it hadn’t quite crossed the line. It was only after several replays and eventually an angle that showed it had that I realised we’d been had over. I’m still pissed off but I can see how it happened.

Just watched it back now...

First replay on Sky was after Villa won the free kick at the other end - 38 seconds after the goal. It’s 99% certain from this replay it’s a goal.

Second replay is after 47 seconds, this is from the goal line angle showing the ball at least 4 inches over the line, completely unequivocal now.

Some seconds later Villa take the free kick which goes for a corner.

So they actually had genuine hindsight with evidence and the chance to sort it, they didn’t.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I agree with him. Villa shouldn't have given us the goal. Totally different circumstances.

You're correct Matt in that they're totally different circumstances.
At Leeds, his players should have played to the whistle instead of creating an issue that was subjective.
Against us, they knew a good goal had been ruled out and chose to do nothing about it. Total lack of moral fibre.

 

[Punk Blade]

Just watched it back now...

First replay on Sky was after Villa won the free kick at the other end - 38 seconds after the goal. It’s 99% certain from this replay it’s a goal.

Second replay is after 47 seconds, this is from the goal line angle showing the ball at least 4 inches over the line, completely unequivocal now.

Some seconds later Villa take the free kick which goes for a corner.

So they actually had genuine hindsight with evidence and the chance to sort it, they didn’t.

And we only waited that long as the ball was still in play. They could probably have awarded a goal while the goalkeeper still had hold of the ball.

 

[Ace of Blades]

Because it's only 'little old SheffieldUnited'. If this had been Man Utd or Liverpool the shitstorm would have been enormous. Blanket coverage on Sky and questions asked at all levels. But it's us.

'It'll blow over in a coiuple of days'.

UTB

It would not have happened had it been Man U or Liverpool.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

It would not have happened had it been Man U or Liverpool.

Or, dare I say it, Villa.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm amazed that people think that Dean Smith has some part to play in this.... he doesn't. And if the boot was on wilder or bielsa's foot, then they wouldn't have done anything different to what Villa did

This is 100% the fault of the ref and officials, VAR and Hawkeye.

 

[peter w]

I would like to know what Billy was saying to Grealish before the start of the second half near the centre spot. He was pointing to the Villa goal as if to say 'Just pass it to me Jack and let me score. We all know we should be 1-0 up.'

Or he may be saying, "remember when I kicked the ball out of your keepers hands last season and we didn't give you a goal back? swings and roundabouts jack".

 

[Sean Thornton]

We would probably have played it from wing to wing two or three times, trying to find the perfect crossing opportunity, only for McBurnie to take a swing and a miss at the cross, it hit his standing foot and bobble wide for a goal-kick....










Yes-sssssssssssssss, it is a fucking wind-up.

You want fisting. Birdwell Blade!

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

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