Dean Henderson

[HeCanDoMagic]

On the verge of a full England call up according to Southgate. Ahead of Angus Gunn in the pecking order and a call up is imminent.

Bizarre that Butland has been included today with Stoke struggling in 15th place, yet Henderson, in 3rd and umpteen clean sheets is not yet included.

Still, good to know he/we are getting recognition at that level.

 

[DifferentClass]

I'm fine with players called Bamidele and Sulzeer playing for England but I draw the line at someone called Angus.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

The wanker nearly scored an OG last neet.

 

[B.Lade]

The wanker nearly scored an OG last neet.

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

 

[Chali 2na]

I'm not sure why he's ahead of Gunn in the pecking order to be honest.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

If that was intentional he's a footballing genius.

 

[Harry's Game]

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

I hadn’t thought of that.

 

[DazBlade88]

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

I thought that at the time, but it's the intent of it. Because it was obviously an attempted clearance it was fine to be handled.

 

[Beans]

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

I wondered about that, but I think the fact that he clearly hadn't deliberately kicked the ball back to himself means that it's okay. I'm not sure though, as the laws also say that it's an offence if he handles it "before it has been touched by another player".

"An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hands for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hands after:
  • releasing it and before it has touched another player
  • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"

 

[Luke1993]

I didn't think it was a backpass and was screaming wtf you doing pick it up. Think it was bash coming back and making a interception/tackle. Love hendo but he needs to command his 6 yrd box better. Saying that, so does pickford. On pure goalkeeping ability, Heaton is the best for me. Although pickford will play for his kicking/distribution

 

[PokerBlade]

Forgot about that. Basically a bad backpass that he kicks up in the air then palms out when he realises it's drifting in. Did we get away with one there? Should the ref have blown up for him effectively handling a backpass?

It's got to be a deliberate attempt to contravene the backpass rule and not what was clearly a terrible slice of a clearance.

 

[PokerBlade]

I wondered about that, but I think the fact that he clearly hadn't deliberately kicked the ball back to himself means that it's okay. I'm not sure though, as the laws also say that it's an offence if he handles it "before it has been touched by another player".

"An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hands for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hands after:
  • releasing it and before it has touched another player
  • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"

Weird that the rules don't state anything about falling to the ground, holding the ball for a few seconds, then slowly getting up, then eventually releasing it after an arbitrary length of time. Will we one day see the six second rule enforced again?

 

[RMBlade]

He can get a call up once we sign him permanently

 

[Brian Blessed]

It's got to be a deliberate attempt to contravene the backpass rule and not what was clearly a terrible slice of a clearance.

Intent doesn't come onto it. If it's a back pass and he handles it before it touches another player or goes out it's a free kick. Definitely got away with one there. I actually thought he'd headed it clear until I saw the replay and it's blatantly handball. Don't matter anyway, Brentford wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now!

 

[I should coco]

Will we one day see the six second rule enforced again?

Nope it's been consigned to the 'too difficult to deal with' pile, together with foul throws and obstruction as defenders shield the ball out, making no attempt to play it.

Fortunately the 'move the ball back a yard' law for free kicks and the 'telling the bench off' law have stepped up to replace the above.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I'm not sure why he's ahead of Gunn in the pecking order to be honest.

Gunn played only a handful of games this season.

 

[stringer]

Intent doesn't come onto it. If it's a back pass and he handles it before it touches another player or goes out it's a free kick. Definitely got away with one there. I actually thought he'd headed it clear until I saw the replay and it's blatantly handball. Don't matter anyway, Brentford wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now!

Intent does matter. It has to be an intentional backpass

 

[stringer]

I wondered about that, but I think the fact that he clearly hadn't deliberately kicked the ball back to himself means that it's okay. I'm not sure though, as the laws also say that it's an offence if he handles it "before it has been touched by another player".

"An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hands for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hands after:
  • releasing it and before it has touched another player
  • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"

That’s if he has the ball in his hands, drops it and then picks it up again. That wasn’t the case last night was it?

 

[PokerBlade]

Intent doesn't come onto it. If it's a back pass and he handles it before it touches another player or goes out it's a free kick. Definitely got away with one there. I actually thought he'd headed it clear until I saw the replay and it's blatantly handball. Don't matter anyway, Brentford wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now!

• it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"

Seems like intent is a part of it.

What I wasn't sure of at the time, and haven't watched again, is whether he actually could touch it at all. He seemed not to know and that's why he hesitated and kicked it. So maybe the ref thought he was entitled to catch it. Or maybe it's the fact that at the point he punched it that wasn't from it being "deliberately kicked" to him.

 

[Beans]

Weird that the rules don't state anything about falling to the ground, holding the ball for a few seconds, then slowly getting up, then eventually releasing it after an arbitrary length of time. Will we one day see the six second rule enforced again?

I genuinely thought the 6 second thing had been removed from the laws until right now.

 

[PokerBlade]

I genuinely thought the 6 second thing had been removed from the laws until right now.

Me too, actually.

 

[Brian Blessed]

Gunn played only a handful of games this season.

Only played 5 PL games in his career, don't know why he's that highly rated really.

Also he is a bloody buggering cunt.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

It's got to be a deliberate attempt to contravene the backpass rule and not what was clearly a terrible slice of a clearance.

I asked this question on another thread. I don't think the rule is clear on this (perhaps not surprising - it was a bonkers incident on a bonkers night). I was on the Kop, but did assume it was pass-back. If that was the case, that was the deliberate bit, and there is no reference in the rules to the keeper kicking it to himself. The spirit of the law makes it illegal presumably for the keeper to flick it up in the air and catch it (the law would be pointless if you could do that), but I don't think it covers a panic hoof. Presumably Deano was not sure, and pushed it away rather than catching it, though it is the act of touching it with the hand which would be illegal. And presumably the ref didn't have time to work it all out there and then.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Selfish but it won't help our chances of signing him

 

[s4-blade]

I'm not sure why he's ahead of Gunn in the pecking order to be honest.

Because he’s better maybe?

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

Any ref who gives that as an intentional back pass wants poking with a sharp stick.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Brian Blessed]

• it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"

Seems like intent is a part of it.

What I wasn't sure of at the time, and haven't watched again, is whether he actually could touch it at all. He seemed not to know and that's why he hesitated and kicked it. So maybe the ref thought he was entitled to catch it. Or maybe it's the fact that at the point he punched it that wasn't from it being "deliberately kicked" to him.

It does look like a deliberate back pass on the replay albeit one that was tricky to control hence the slice, otherwise he'd have caught it. According to the rules he isn't allowed to touch it with his hands without somebody else touching it so the slice didn't change that. We'd have been raging if their keeper had done it and it potentially cost us points.

 

[The Crab]

Only played 5 PL games in his career, don't know why he's that highly rated really.

Also he is a bloody buggering cunt.

I think the second point is particularly pertinent.............

 

[Chali 2na]

Gunn played only a handful of games this season.

Only played 5 PL games in his career, don't know why he's that highly rated really.

Also he is a bloody buggering cunt.

He has only played 5 PL games , correct, though notably 4 of those appearances have been Southampton's last 4 fixtures: he seems to be their 1st choice keeper now. It's also worth pointing out that he's played well, despite 3 of those 4 games coming against Arsenal, Man Utd & Spurs.

Considering the above, I'd say him and Henderson are on a simalar level: Henderson has played more games this season, but at a lower level - Angus Gunn had his championship season last year.

And as for him being a cunt; he's no more of a cunt than Henderson - the only difference being one plays for us and one doesn't.