If you could choose one who would you go for? Thought o'grady was class when he was here, but Davies absolutely ran their defence ragged today and has impressed me in the games i have seen him , that nutmeg then run he did out by the touchline was sublime which im not sure o'grady could have pulled off. Really tricky decision for me as they are both good in their own ways, but if you could only sign one who would you go for?
Davies or O'grady?
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CarlingBlade
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Ogrady, we need an out and out striker.
I don't know if anyone has noticed but O'grady and Davies are both not natural goalscorers, in this league that is generally how you get out of it.
As for the OP question, it's very difficult to say who i'd prefer, i'd say they are pretty much the same in terms of goals and all round play so not fussed either way.
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no competition really.
There was a reason Clough made COG his number 1 target last summer - COG, in hindsight followed the money and I bet he regrets it now.
On the pitch - COG is miles better. Davies has played ok to be fair though.
We shouldn't be playing with Davies any way - we should stick to what the whole team is good at - false 9 or 4-5-1. We now have half a new team, each one trying g to get used to one another, leading once again to inconsistent performances. We should have grown into the season - instead we are going backwards.
Port Vale dominated midfield yesterday and we were left to break on them - It's Port Vale FFS - as it was P'boro and Fleetwood.
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There was a reason Clough made COG his number 1 target last summer - COG, in hindsight followed the money and I bet he regrets it now.
On the pitch - COG is miles better. Davies has played ok to be fair though.
We shouldn't be playing with Davies any way - we should stick to what the whole team is good at - false 9 or 4-5-1. We now have half a new team, each one trying g to get used to one another, leading once again to inconsistent performances. We should have grown into the season - instead we are going backwards.
Port Vale dominated midfield yesterday and we were left to break on them - It's Port Vale FFS - as it was P'boro and Fleetwood.
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Having watched them both I think I prefer Davies, he holds the ball up well and can play the ball well, shame he didn't stay onside yesterday as that would have been a cracking goal with the build up play of Baxter volleying the cross. On the comment I would prefer Evans over the two of them, yes I would if he played like he did in his last season for us but not if he played like the two previous seasons. People forget that the majority of supporters would have liked to see Evans off the wage bill as he was very poor up until that last season, did he find his level or did we play to his strengths that season who knows
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By all accounts O'Grady started and looked good yesterday. Think we need to forget about him and move on. We've got Davies so let's get behind him, good display second half yesterday and I'm backing him to get his first goal in red and white (sorry white and red) in the next week.
I am sorry the you had to bring up a rapist's name when the OP didn't mention him.
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I've brought up a footballers name. One who was an option to us whilst wasting time on trying to secure loan signings. I'm pretty sure he'd have been on more goals now than COG and Davies have scored for us. It's been done to death so I'll leave it at that.
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we can get Ched back playing , as soon as he gets a full pardon
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McNuts is the natural goal scorer at the club. He just needs to learn the rest of his trade
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Pardon?
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Agree Davies looked decent yesterday.
Finally a target man who can actually control a football.
Somewhat of a novelty at BDTBL !!!!
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Finally a target man who can actually control a football.
Somewhat of a novelty at BDTBL !!!!
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I think we should support 100% the guy we've got.
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Wiz , agree they are much of a muchness . However i have got to go with Davies with the simple fact , that he is playing for us and GOG isn't . Also i thought Davies had a good game yesterday , and to round it off , i think he needs a goal , then he would be firing on all cylinders.
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Couple of things, cover in most positions isn't it? So why not have Davies and COG? Whoever performs best stays in the team.
Secondly, how on earth has the OP received as many likes as shown?
Secondly, how on earth has the OP received as many likes as shown?
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Fulwood , i do think you need a GOG , Davies type of player to give you a different option , dimension , when needed. Thats the reason we brought in HIgdon , but enough said on that one , although you could say with being positive , the bloke has been a little unlucky , with not playing to his strengths ,suspension and injury
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We do indeed need a big man up front, and if we had signed COG (ie: invested, or game changing investment as some like to call it), pushed the boat out for Coady and kept Maguire, we would (a) be sat TOP of this league and (b) all be on our way back from Wembley with that cup brizzle got today.
Hindsight is a wonderful word, but sadly we have wasted (possibly) another year, and we wouldn't have had to go scratching around in JTW.
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"We should have grown into the season - instead we are going backwards."
Not actually the case Fulwood. Since the January window and the "half a new team" arrived, we've won 19 points from 11 games at 1.73 per game, as opposed to 1.5 points per game prior to. Our improvement seems to have by-passed many of our supporters and even the club's execs based on the apparent hysteria around the place since the Fleetwood defeat. Both COG and Davies are equipped to play the lone striker role favoured by Cloughie. The crucial difference is, with Done and Davies, we finally have a couple of decent strikers who have the mobility, ability and awareness to play inside and outside the penalty area - something lacking for the first half of the season. Cloughie now needs to resolve his central defence issue, i.e sign a proper centre half and we'll then be equipped to achieve the consistency required to nail promotion - either this season or next.
Yes, Cloughie should take responsibility for the central defensive problem, but he should be cut some slack over the striker dilemma, and his judgement in waiting for O'Grady and Davies seems justified on what I've seen to date.
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Must admit I was totally underwhelmed with the signing of Davies but have to admit he has been impressive in both his skill level and workrate to date !
With Done (if he can remain onside enough) we have the makings !!
With Done (if he can remain onside enough) we have the makings !!
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They are very similar but at the end of the day, neither are prolific scorers. It's great being able to hold the ball up etc but unless we have a n other around them banging them in and midfielders supporting them then it's basically a waste of a player, the issue is tactics.
I think Done and McNuts should work well alongside either and we certainly have players who are capable of supporting from midfield but it doesn't work with a defensive approach or when we're sitting back defending a lead.
I think Done and McNuts should work well alongside either and we certainly have players who are capable of supporting from midfield but it doesn't work with a defensive approach or when we're sitting back defending a lead.
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I need to ask you a question - nothing to do with big/little Blade etc........do you go to matches?
When I say we haven't grown into the season, the standard of football at home since the JTW has been appalling.Accepted we are 6 unbeaten away from home, but hardly convincing games with draws at Crawly/Scunthorpe/Walsall very recently. The home form has been nothing short of shocking with teams "knowing" how we play and setting themselves up accordingly.
What I expect to see (and Preston is the ideal example this season, and last season, look no further than the 3 that went up Wolves/Brentford & Rotherham) who all started relatively slowly and grew into the season and finished it strongly.
We, in my opinion and playing awful football now, and it seems to come with the change to 4-4-2 instead of our 4-5-1. Now I couldn't actually give a monkeys who plays or how we play, but I FULLY expect our management to make the team BETTER as the season goes on - that means as individuals, as a team and how the team approaches the opposition at home and away.
Been a supporter of Clough from minute 1, but his credit is running out as we are, in my opinion getting worse, not better.
The latest game on Saturday saw Port Vale FFS dominate the 2nd half in midfield - that was after Walsall should really have beaten us last Tuesday after resting their 2 1st choice forwards and Scunny ran us close last week (culmination in the chants at the end).
Quite willing to accept points are better, the standard of football is not - and if you want my opinion why -we have change personnel yet again and the style too, and it is taking time to adapt - problem is, this should all have been decided from July/August/September last year - not now. This team seems like "another" experiment..........will it?....won't it?
As for central defence - that is nothing short of a dereliction of management duty - we have had ZERO central defenders all season who are any good. Mccarthy "may" have been ok, if he had come to us fit and spent longer than 1 day in Sheffield.
Am I pissed off - absolutely. I am just hoping we have a great 3 games in the playoffs. Clough has under estimated this league, yet I believe he has a team better suited to a division up.
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Some of us have been complaining about CH ALL season - one or two are now asking similar questions as as to the continuing issue of balls into the box. Clough himself has gone on record recently about our lack of height - sorry, it's been as issue for ages. Ask yourself a question: we have bags of midfield, enough full backs, 2 goal keepers, about 4/5 forwards and..................1 fit, proper centre half (Collins) who isn't going to play. Basham/Brayford/Mceverly are all not CH who do a decent, stand in job. For a professional club the size of ours not to have them and to continue to concede goals such as Walsall.Scunny and going all the way back to Leyton Orient at home, then there is a problem.
As for 4-4-2 - I personally don't have a problem with it as long as we have the right central 2 in midfield.
Baxter was ok for 45 minutes on Saturday, abysmal in the 2nd half, culminating in the short 2 yard pass in the second half that went to the opposition. The bench went barmy, immediately called Doyle and Baxter was off. Holt runs around like a headless chicken (similar, but less effective than scoogs) and does absolutely nothing. This is the reason we were outplayed in the second half v Port Vale. Coutts?.....well, he wasn't bad, but has never actually been good. Murph? - teams have him sussed out - double marked most of the time. The number of times our midfield don't "ask" for the ball in midfield is scandalous - they don't want it as they are scared of making a mistake. Coady was absolutely brilliant at wanting the ball, in any position, anywhere on the field - we have sadly missed him.
As for 4-5-1 - we do it well in cup games, not so well in league games, primarily as the opposition at Bramall Lane close us down - they close us down because Wilson/Weir and Clough have not taught "our" players how to play against it. Everyone in the world says it is called "pass and move" - we pass and don't move.
As for being good enough - yes time will tell. Personally I think we will always struggle with a 4 in midfield with our current available players. Oh for Wallace to be fit!
Anyway, lets see what Scunthorpe bring to the table tomorrow - Mark Robbins is no mug. Lets see how our 4 man midfield cope - got a feeling Doyle will start.
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I think O'Grady looked a bit more dynamic in his few appearances as well as more of a goal threat. I do think Davies played well and caused problems on Saturday. I guess if he helps others score goals then it's all good. Can't see him getting a hatful for himself though.
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Yes I do Fulwood, which is why I noted we played 4-5-1 on Saturday and not 4-4-2.
I can't be having your "growing into the season" theory, with Preston as your prime example. Preston were doing well before Garner got inured, lost their way when he was out, and have been prolific since he returned. MK similarly have struggled for consistency since Dele Ali got injured. All that proves to me is the importance of having a regular goalscorer/maker in your line-up.
Our form has been inconsistent all season: a good half hour or 45 minutes here and there, but very few comprehensive 90 minute performances to note. Since Done's arrival, we've nicked a few points that would otherwise have been lost, but to me that's still going forwards not backwards - just my interpretation, I accept.
I agree fully with your CH gripe: this is Cloughie's least excusable error and cost us any chance of Top 2. I also share your opinion on Coady: Cloughie's gamble on Wallace as a cheaper alternative has backfired. He should have signed both of them.
I'm still pretty confident we can get up this season - admittedly that's largely due to seeing us as less bad than the other contenders.
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me too - think we will easily finish 5th or 6th - just hope we revert to cup form AND fan cup mentality - play deep, break with proper pace, and storm the play offs. We just have to put a bit of faith in Cloughies plan B..if he has one somewhere up his sleeve.
If Cloughie continues to try and develop this "new team" going into the play offs - just think we will get slaughtered - recent opposition have proved that. If it was indeed a 4-5-1 on Saturday it was a mess and I question how the 5 got overrun by in the 2nd half. For all the vitriol chucked at Brown he had more passes than our entire midfield.
Anyway, I vowed not to go to Wembley after Burnley - my boy persuaded me v Huddersfield.......I'll go this time if we get there, but what would really piss me of (like before) is if we "don't turn up" - we turned up v Hull and Spurs, just hope NC doesn't go all ...........dare I say...........negative. I don't expect gung-ho, but I do hope our team and playing style is sorted by then.
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