David Weir to change Style

[Lampiao]

According to Radio Sheff, DW is considering abandoning the passing style in order to win a few games. Pinchy will be pleased!
Bring on the hoof!

 

[sheffielder]

Haven't we being trying this for the last few games. We have been going a little bit more direct since the Preston.

I don't think this is about formations or styles anymore

 

[Coily]

This lot are not going to win by smacking it long.

What they do need to try is playing with greater pace, pressing more and getting forward with more purpose. Any side can defend if you give them time to set up, we need to turn defences with quicker balls to our front man/men. All very well passing around in midfield in an attempt to work the opposition, but they know we can't break them down this way right now.

 

[Maidenhead]

This lot are not going to win by smacking it long.

What they do need to try is playing with greater pace, pressing more and getting forward with more purpose. Any side can defend if you give them time to set up, we need to turn defences with quicker balls to our front man/men. All very well passing around in midfield in an attempt to work the opposition, but they know we can't break them down this way right now.

Width is the key.

We have to get in behind teams with pace and get balls into the the box, and players with the balls to get on the end of them.

 

[BrianDeanesSon]

I don't like the sound of abandoning passing style to win a few games...then what? Back to this crap?

Its not the passing that is essentially the problem, its the passing backwards too often or sideways for too long and then passing to the opposition. Passing football does not have to be as slow or tedious as Weir makes it.

 

[Balham]

It was a very sensible comment by Weir - saying that he's going to try and stop the team passing for passing's sake. The issue is that there is next to no confidence in the team at the moment and too many players are hiding or taking the easy option.

Only by instilling some leadership on the field and encouraging the players for making the right choices even if they don't come off are we going to get out of this mess.

What would the reaction have been on Friday if Brandy's pass to King had been cut out?

 

[IOM Blade]

According to Radio Sheff, DW is considering abandoning the passing style in order to win a few games. Pinchy will be pleased!
Bring on the hoof!

It's been abandoned since HT at Molineux by all accounts.

 

[Hartley Hare]

Just whack the ball in the net and stop the opposition from whacking the ball in your net. Simple.

 

[Worksop II]

I think it is nice that Weir thinks he can switch Wins on and off at will

I hope someone has faxed Coventry that we are expecting a Win Sunday due to Weir changing tictacs

What could possibly go wrong ...............

 

[secretchief]

Weir to change his style?

I think a flat cap/trackie top combo might provide a bit of sartorial impertinence and deviation from the usual lawyerly fare.

 

[pommpey]

Christ. The bloke really, really doesn't have a fucking clue, does he?

'In order to win a few games'?

Just a 'few'? I'd rather we played in a style and formation that ensured we win 'every' game. Isn't that the fucking point of competitive sport?

And why, after so many unsuccessful games, is he coming out with this bobbar now? Why not after two, maybe three games where it was patently obvious what he wanted the team to do was crap? Does he not watch all ninety odd miutes and make minute-by-minute assessments? Isn't that what the management staff are trained to do in their Coaching Tickets?

I had such faith when he was appointed. You know ... dour Scot, apparently decent footballing background, Everton, Moyes, plans to get us away from hoof and hopelessness.

What a massive mistake.

Grasping. At. Straws.

pommpey

 

[JohnDenver]

I think a flat cap/trackie top combo might provide a bit of sartorial impertinence and deviation from the usual lawyerly fare.

I do admire Weir's shoes. In a non-Darren kind of a way.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Fundamentally we're short on confidence and belief, it doesn't matter whether Harry (not picking on him specifically) is told to pass it sideways or hoof it up to King. Weir has brought in players to play a certain way and I can't see him changing that now other than looking like he's playing 4-4-2 by naming two 'strikers'.

He'll either live or die playing this way or we'll bring someone else in. The problem we've got is how are the players, under the current regime / tactics, going to get that all important win and a bit of confidence back.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Kick it in the goal,
Kick it in the goal,
Not our goal, their goal,
Kick it in the goal

Frankie Boyle

 

[Darren]

I do admire Weir's shoes. In a non-Darren kind of a way.

I think some PVC thigh boots with 5" heels would take our minds away from the football...

On a side issue one of the reasons I like Adam Ant is because his backing singer dresses thus:




Thats Andrew Sachs' grandaughter of Sachsgate fame...

 

[Worksop II]

I like Adam Ant is because his backing singer dresses thus:

Pah!! - Darren I can promise you bigger Tarts than that, Sunday, 4pm, Sky Sports 1

Close the Blinds ......... you wont want anyone to see are tuned in to that

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Anyone who went to the Crawley game will tell you that there wasn't even an attempt to play a particular brand of patient, passing football. Perhaps the same for Hartlepool but I didn't go, but we were aimlessly passing anywhere and everywhere, backwards, sidewards, long, anything to just get rid of the ball.

Confidence is absolutely rock bottom and DW thinks that an instant changeover to direct football will yield instant results. Sorry David, but the problems at United stem deeper then tactical inability. There are no leaders in the pitch (in fact, negative influences like Doyle and McMahon), you are making panic signings, you inspire no organisation or leadership of your players and the fitness levels are the worst I have ever seen.

He needs to go.

 

[Silent Blade at work]

According to Radio Sheff, DW is considering abandoning the passing style in order to win a few games. Pinchy will be pleased!
Bring on the hoof!

Do we have the players to play hoofball? The defence will be pleased that they now do not have to play risky square balls when fast opposing strikers are defending from the front. Our midfielders are short in height, Taylor isnt strong in the air. King is playing for Jamaica this weekend and Porter (our best striker in dealing with aerial challenges) is on loan to Chesterfield. Dave Bassett realised this when he first came to us and couldnt play hoofball until the start of the 1988/89 season after releasing flair players who are short in height (Dempsey, Frain etc) and bringing in big players also pacy strikers (Deane, Agana etc)

 

[Kev Gee]

So he thinks by hoofing the ball long we will now win games?

*shakes head in disbelief.

 

[bartman]

There are no leaders in the pitch (in fact, negative influences like Doyle and McMahon),

He needs to go.

I agree with most of your post but how do you know these two are negative influences ?

I recently had a chat with a younger member of our first team squad who was complementary about most of the experienced players in the squad and in particular he was complimentary about McMahon

 

[DazBlade88]

Does anyone have a direct quote? Most of the responses seem to people deciding what he's said without actually hearing it.

One sentence taken slightly out of context could mean the difference between him saying we're going to either tweak the formation, press higher or up the tempo and being read as a 'we're going to start lumping it forward now so get ready for it'.

 

[raul]

Does anyone have a direct quote? Most of the responses seem to people deciding what he's said without actually hearing it.

One sentence taken slightly out of context could mean the difference between him saying we're going to either tweak the formation, press higher or up the tempo and being read as a 'we're going to start lumping it forward now so get ready for it'.

Good stuff Daz.

If I may, I've always been quietly impressed with your knowledge and footballing nous. It's just a shame other members of your forum footy team regulars, with the exceptions of Mouse, Iggle, The Pups and Small, are so lacking in comparison.

SF thinks the same, and so do Ballin and Large.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Does anyone have a direct quote? Most of the responses seem to people deciding what he's said without actually hearing it.

One sentence taken slightly out of context could mean the difference between him saying we're going to either tweak the formation, press higher or up the tempo and being read as a 'we're going to start lumping it forward now so get ready for it'.

I would like to read an exact quote too.
Although I did hear an interview on Radio Sheffield where he was asked if he would consider playing 2 up front.
He replied that 2 up front lends itself to playing direct and he didn't want to play direct football, it hasn't worked for this club in the past, we're trying to change the culture etc..etc..
The interviewer never mentioned playing direct, only 2 up front, so in Weir's mind it does seem that playing 4-4-2 means playing "hoofball"
Nobody told that to the many attractive, passing teams that played 2 up front and didn't hoof it. Too many to name but start with Liverpool in the 70's and work your up to Danny Wilson's team 2 seasons ago.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

David Weir is the man who knows the problem but cannot supply the answer. E.g. I know that you don't build a NASA spacecraft with play'doh, but that doesn't mean I'm the right man to lead their engineering division.

 

[Hodgyman]

I think it is nice that Weir thinks he can switch Wins on and off at will

I hope someone has faxed Coventry that we are expecting a Win Sunday due to Weir changing tictacs

What could possibly go wrong ...............

Our fax machine doesn't work

 

[Bergen Blade]

I think Weir is right in trying something new. His style and system is highly dependent on confident, creative players with good movement, but at the moment this is not reality.

I'd revert to a more traditional, narrow 4-4-2, simplify our style, up the tempo and aim to get in behind them through mobile strikers. Creativity out wide, but not in the shape of out and out wingers. We need to give away less space in midfield and Baxter and Cuvelier should be less advanced than what we've seen previously.

Long​

McMahon - Maguire - Collins - Hill​

Cuvelier - Coady - Doyle - Baxter​

Brandy - Taylor​

Let me add that I don't think 4-4-2 is a better system in itself, but player roles are slightly easier defined, and most players should be well used to it from past experience. Weir has tried two strikers in the last couple of games, but sort of messed it up by playing an oddly shaped diamond, probably to keep Baxter in his favoured role. I think we must sacrifice that and hope that Baxter will provide throughballs and creativity from wide, similar to Glyn Hodges or Andy Reid.

 

[Silent Blade at work]

I think Weir is right in trying something new. His style and system is highly dependent on confident, creative players with good movement, but at the moment this is not reality.

I'd revert to a more traditional, narrow 4-4-2, simplify our style, up the tempo and aim to get in behind them through mobile strikers. Creativity out wide, but not in the shape of out and out wingers. We need to give away less space in midfield and Baxter and Cuvelier should be less advanced than what we've seen previously.

Long​

McMahon - Maguire - Collins - Hill​

Cuvelier - Coady - Doyle - Baxter​

Brandy - Taylor​

Let me add that I don't think 4-4-2 is a better system in itself, but player roles are slightly easier defined, and most players should be well used to it from past experience. Weir has tried two strikers in the last couple of games, but sort of messed it up by playing an oddly shaped diamond, probably to keep Baxter in his favoured role. I think we must sacrifice that and hope that Baxter will provide throughballs and creativity from wide, similar to Glyn Hodges or Andy Reid.

Who will head in the crosses from the wings?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Who will head in the crosses from the wings?

The plan is to supply through balls like the one from Hodges here:



Forgot about Long also being called up though. Howard comes in obviously.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I think Weir is right in trying something new. His style and system is highly dependent on confident, creative players with good movement, but at the moment this is not reality.

I'd revert to a more traditional, narrow 4-4-2, simplify our style, up the tempo and aim to get in behind them through mobile strikers. Creativity out wide, but not in the shape of out and out wingers. We need to give away less space in midfield and Baxter and Cuvelier should be less advanced than what we've seen previously.

Long​

McMahon - Maguire - Collins - Hill​

Cuvelier - Coady - Doyle - Baxter​

Brandy - Taylor​

Let me add that I don't think 4-4-2 is a better system in itself, but player roles are slightly easier defined, and most players should be well used to it from past experience. Weir has tried two strikers in the last couple of games, but sort of messed it up by playing an oddly shaped diamond, probably to keep Baxter in his favoured role. I think we must sacrifice that and hope that Baxter will provide throughballs and creativity from wide, similar to Glyn Hodges or Andy Reid.

Howard
McMahon Maguire Collins Hill
Brandy Coady Doyle Baxter
Murphy Taylor

I like that side but I think it lacks a bit of pace and a goal threat.
I would tell the back four + Doyle to just play as they did last year and concentrate primarily on defending and keeping a clean sheet.
That would give Brandy, Coady and Baxter more license to concentrate on attacking, creating and getting on the end of things in the box.
I’d pair our twin “Scottish League Goal Aces” up front and give them a chance to do what they’re supposed to be best at and were signed to do. I.e. scoring goals.
Cuvelier has been terrible for us so far and doesn’t deserve a place (“Look, the king has no clothes”), he’d only be on my bench.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

He hasn't said he would abandon a passing style. What I heard on RS this morning suggested that it was the only thing he wouldn't be changing. Just said he would make any changes he can to starts winning.