David Cotterill: Wales winger opens up about depression

[FMBlade1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45579754

Very sad and a pity, always liked him when he was here as most of us did even when he didn't quite reach his potential, explains why really.

Best wishes to all, hopefully some good can result out of this

 

[Sean Thornton]

Posted in Other football and sport this morning FM.

 

[FMBlade1]

Posted in Other football and sport this morning FM.

Whoops my bad, apologies. I saw the Jose Baxter article on this part of the forum so thought ex-Blades things go here?

In any event Foxy feel free to remove, cheers

 

[Sean Thornton]

Whoops my bad, apologies. I saw the Jose Baxter article on this part of the forum so thought ex-Blades things go here?

In any event Foxy feel free to remove, cheers

Just thought I'd give you a heads up just in case one of the wrong section Nazi's dives in

 

[I should coco]

Just thought I'd give you a heads up just in case one of the wrong section Nazi's dives in

It's in the wrong section.

When I've finished Mein Kampf #2 (Tentative working title; "Up in flames"), I'll arrange for Heinrich to send the boys round....

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's in the wrong section.

When I've finished Mein Kampf #2 (Tentative working title; "Up in flames"), I'll arrange for Heinrich to send the boys round....

I'm just helping the boy out.......

 

[Booker4]

Posted in Other football and sport this morning FM.

Its an ex Blade to be fair Sean and lets be reyt it wouldn't get many looking at the post there in comparison to the main board. I think the subject is becoming more and more commonplace worth because its a real problem for many and football is no exception.

I see Cotterill is only 30! He should definitely still be playing at a decent level. I'll always remember him fondly for his time with us. One of those players who can get fans of their seat.

 

[I should coco]

I'm just helping the boy out.......

You too Thornton!

That's not a very Aryan name and I have my suspicion that you are of dubious moral character, so a period of 're-education' will benefit you.

Remember, you workshy loafer who spends all day on here; Arbeit macht frei!

 

[I should coco]

ne of those players who can get fans of their seat.

And back on them after he's skinned the full back for the third time then balooned the ball out for a goal kick. IIRC his 'high point' was being hauled off by Blackwell at St Marys, after an abysmal first half watching their full back pass him every other minute while he stood by counting seagulls.

It would be a tough competition between him and JCR for the 'Players who promise shit loads but ultimately fail to deliver' awards.

 

[Gavlar]

I saw this earlier today. Sad stuff. Much more of this going on than we realised.

It does beg the question though, why are so many young successful males becoming depressed?

 

[super_pig]

i rather liked Cotterill. much underrated player.. he struck the ball superbly

 

[stringer]

It does beg the question though, why are so many young successful males becoming depressed?

Because it’s got absolutely nothing to do with how successful or unsuccessful you are. Also see how big your house or car is or how healthy your bank balance is

 

[Northyorksblade]

Not sure why, at the head of the article it has a warning, 'some of this content may upset you'. The mention of suicide? We've become a nation of snowflakes.
I like him as a player too. Depression is a terrible thing, but I can see why he wouldn't want to tell the managers he was playing under.

 

[Kenilworth]

Wonder if Mr Blackwell had owt to do wi' it?

Allus liked Cotterill - exciting player with great ability and when "on song" he was well and truly a game changer.

 

[B.Lade]

Not sure why, at the head of the article it has a warning, 'some of this content may upset you'. The mention of suicide? We've become a nation of snowflakes.
I like him as a player too. Depression is a terrible thing, but I can see why he wouldn't want to tell the managers he was playing under.

Ah, the irony in calling out people as snowflakes followed by a sympathetic comment about depression...

 

[JohnDenver]

Wonder if Mr Blackwell had owt to do wi' it?

Allus liked Cotterill - exciting player with great ability and when "on song" he was well and truly a game changer.

He had a talent that some managers nurture and other managers oppress.

I know this is covered elsewhere, but if you've got a propensity to mental ill health and your manager at work is giving you shit... Well.....

 

[Kenilworth]

He had a talent that some managers nurture and other managers oppress.

I know this is covered elsewhere, but if you've got a propensity to mental ill health and your manager at work is giving you shit... Well.....

Not like other professions, though - but I get your point.
However, the decent managers get a feel for when to put an arm around a player and when to show a bit of edge.

 

[Gavlar]

Because it’s got absolutely nothing to do with how successful or unsuccessful you are. Also see how big your house or car is or how healthy your bank balance is

Indeed. Is it partly because they have been sold a lie that success and money will equal happiness?

 

[Nade]

Indeed. Is it partly because they have been sold a lie that success and money will equal happiness?

It could be a contributor. Lads being seen as 'soft' if they talk about their feelings may have a fair amount to do with it too - certainly to do with people not being able to process their feelings, acknowledge there's a problem and reach out. A small issue can become something huge in those circumstances.

Thankfully i think are slowly beginning to change and Cotteril is contributing towards that by normalising it that ever so slightly more

 

[Gavlar]

It could be a contributor. Lads being seen as 'soft' if they talk about their feelings may have a fair amount to do with it too - certainly to do with people not being able to process their feelings, acknowledge there's a problem and reach out. A small issue can become something huge in those circumstances.

Thankfully i think are slowly beginning to change and Cotteril is contributing towards that by normalising it that ever so slightly more

Its a bit of an epidemic at the moment isn't it. I'm sure it happens in "normal" jobs as well, its just not talked about as much.

 

[Nade]

Its a bit of an epidemic at the moment isn't it. I'm sure it happens in "normal" jobs as well, its just not talked about as much.

Yeah, I reckon talking about it will stop a lot of it getting a lot worse than it needs to be though, which is why I think it's a good thing that things are moving in that direction.

If you're at 4/10 there are probably things you could do that may improve things/prevent them from getting worse. At 4/10 though, the discomfort of the thing itself may be less or equal to the discomfort of talking to someone about it, so people may well stfu and not say anything until it gets to 2/10 and is more of a serious problem.

If we were to ever live in a lovely fantasy world of rainbows and fairies where there's no stigma about this stuff whatsoever though (the ideal may never exist but we can work towards it as best we can), then people who are 4/10 would just try deal with that shit and try and nip it in the bud before it gets any further.

 

[Th!stledo]

Some fans feel they have a right to criticise players in the most brutal and personal way... without a thought for the feelings of the player or their friends and family.

Some people, including some in this forum, should maybe walk in their shoes before making scathing and hurtful comments about loyal servants of the club?

 

[I should coco]

Some fans feel they have a right to criticise players in the most brutal and personal way... without a thought for the feelings of the player or their friends and family.

They get thousands of pounds a week then swan off elsewhere when they get the chance for a bit more, so it isn't entirely unexpected that we don't 'love' players like we used to.

My comments were about his random playing abilities (MoM one week, can't be arsed next weeK) and his poor decision making. I haven't seen too many personal comments but of course it is 2018 so you have every right to be 'offended'. If I've offended you in any way by referring to your offence, I apologise a little bit.

Some people, including some in this forum, should maybe walk in their shoes before making scathing and hurtful comments about loyal servants of the club?

Loyal servants? I'd put Billy and Bash in that catergory at the moment.

As for Cotteril he is a classic multi club man so I'm really not sure what you expect from us.

 

[Booker4]

And back on them after he's skinned the full back for the third time then balooned the ball out for a goal kick. IIRC his 'high point' was being hauled off by Blackwell at St Marys, after an abysmal first half watching their full back pass him every other minute while he stood by counting seagulls.

It would be a tough competition between him and JCR for the 'Players who promise shit loads but ultimately fail to deliver' awards.

My mate and I would always disagree about Cotts. He says the same as you. If Cotts was better at his end product he'd have been in the PL all his career, rather than Championship and League One. I agree his end product was mixed but as I say its whether you have him in the side for the times he does deliver or whether you can't put up with the inconsistency. He could be effective off the bench like Johnson is doing now for us. I'm not saying we should re sign Cotts but I still think he's a decent player and caused problems for opposition defences.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Wonder if Mr Blackwell had owt to do wi' it?

Allus liked Cotterill - exciting player with great ability and when "on song" he was well and truly a game changer.

Was my first thought too.

 

[TJB.]

It could be a contributor. Lads being seen as 'soft' if they talk about their feelings may have a fair amount to do with it too - certainly to do with people not being able to process their feelings, acknowledge there's a problem and reach out. A small issue can become something huge in those circumstances.

Thankfully i think are slowly beginning to change and Cotteril is contributing towards that by normalising it that ever so slightly more

Plenty about this kind of stuff on the mental health thread if people want to see what posters themselves have put about it.

I find personally that my silence when it comes to talking about things is almost physical. It feels like I'm physically unable to say what I'm thinking or feeling even though it's quite clear and obvious to those around me that something is up. People often respond with "You can talk to me/us you know" to which I reply "I know, aye", and I keep it bottled up. I'm usually quite happy to discuss things a bit later or type them out on here (writing things out is often better as it gives you time to think over what it is and word it better) but at the time I say nowt.

I know from talking to others and from what I read that this kind of thing isn't uncommon. This is coming from someone who isn't exactly an uber-masculine lads' lad.

So imagine how it is in a dressing room environment...

 

[The Crab]

Not like other professions, though - but I get your point.
However, the decent managers get a feel for when to put an arm around a player and when to show a bit of edge.

I think that is a pertinent point. My take on that is that in football, a player is an expensive commodity so it is in the managers best interests to handle it in the right way.

Sadly, in many workplaces you are very replaceable, depression or not.

 

[The Crab]

Plenty about this kind of stuff on the mental health thread if people want to see what posters themselves have put about it.

I find personally that my silence when it comes to talking about things is almost physical. It feels like I'm physically unable to say what I'm thinking or feeling even though it's quite clear and obvious to those around me that something is up. People often respond with "You can talk to me/us you know" to which I reply "I know, aye", and I keep it bottled up. I'm usually quite happy to discuss things a bit later or type them out on here (writing things out is often better as it gives you time to think over what it is and word it better) but at the time I say nowt.

I know from talking to others and from what I read that this kind of thing isn't uncommon. This is coming from someone who isn't exactly an uber-masculine lads' lad.

So imagine how it is in a dressing room environment...

Sometimes it can be very difficult to verbalise what is going on inside you.

 

[I should coco]

If Cotts was better at his end product he'd have been in the PL all his career, rather than Championship and League One. I agree his end product was mixed but as I say its whether you have him in the side for the times he does deliver or whether you can't put up with the inconsistency

I take your point but aside from occassional spells of brilliance he offered nothing else. He tracked back like Che Adams and had the tackling 'ability' of James Wilson.

Sorry but IMHO, his odd highs weren't enough to cover his many lows.

 

[Maidenhead]

Indeed. Is it partly because they have been sold a lie that success and money will equal happiness?

And unfortunately that's the belief propagated by Thatcher that has alienated so much of todays younger population as they believe that they have no chance of ever achieving success and money unless they steal it or sell drugs.