David Brooks - England Call Up - Player of the Tournament

[mattbianco1]

I'm confused.

Is Brooks in the u21 squad or the u20 squad?

He didn't appear to be playing in the u20s final today. So what's a Toulon Tournament?

 

[Enigmatic]

I'm confused.

Is Brooks in the u21 squad or the u20 squad?

He didn't appear to be playing in the u20s final today. So what's a Toulon Tournament?

The main U20s played today in the World Cup final, and won. The U20s World Cup clashed with the Toulon Tournament, an U20s Tournament of lesser prestige, and so a secondary U20s team was cobbled together to compete simultaneously for both.

We won both; DCL and the main U20s today in the World Cup, Brooks and the other U20s yesterday in the Toulon Tournament.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Whilst not down playing his achievement it was the under 20 'b' side with the main one playing today including DCL on BBC 2

Yes,we should remember this and accordingly maintain a worshipful position in respect of those magnificent thoroughbreds that hammered the pub team from north of Hadrians Wall last night. Oh hang on a minute

 

[lingsbord]

Whilst not down playing his achievement it was the under 20 'b' side with the main one playing today including DCL on BBC 2

The point is mate, many of the other teams at Toulon were full U-20 squads, those who didn't make the World Cup Finals, so if anything the achievement is even greater

 

[Berlin Blade]

He may need that. What matters, however, is what Sheffield United need. If he's good enough he'll be selected. It really is that simple. Good luck to him. He appears to have a lot of talent. I talented players.

But what if, in January, we need a quick little winger that can make something happen for us, and we don't have to sign one because we've developed one in the right way already at the club.

The most successful teams are the ones that focus on a long term plan. Sometimes you have to invest time and let players make mistakes before they get good enough.

I assume you were annoyed when we promoted Harry up from the under 18 team. ''Sign another ageing experienced CB to play alongside Collins instead. I don't care about what's good for the player.'' Sometimes, what's good for the player is also good for the club.

On the topic of Harry, you'd more than likely not want him back at United if we miraculously got offered him, despite being valued at £25 million.... Because he once played for us.

You'd also turn down England center half Jagielka, and go on to write literally hundreds of posts about ex Blades players with in depth analysis that starts and ends with ''because they played for us once'' and ''everyone is obsessed with ex players and seems to discriminate towards them'', failing to see the irony that you're doing exactly the same thing but in the opposite way. It's become an obsession to you, and it's not only making you look like a bit of an idiot, it's also blinding your judgement I think.

You seem to not really want what's best for this club, you want to be proved right. As that's not happened in a really long time, you've taken to parodying in a way that I don't really understand. Like your recent 'parody' linking 'every fucker' to the club making out all the fans are annoyed we haven't got them and directing their annoyance towards KM / CW. I haven't seen any evidence of that happening on these forums. The parody might have been funny if there had been any sort of discontent on here. Swing and a miss.

 

[coolhandluke]

Why does Whiteman appear to be ahead of Brookes in terms of where he is right now in career progression ? Is it an age thing ? Is he more mature physically ? Or is he simply a better player ?

 

[Bladesman]

 

[8lade]

Looks like he feels the cold though, how is he going to get on, on a cold December night in Sheffield?

 

[Benny and the Blades]

It's being so cheerful that keeps us all happy you know..........

UTB.

 

[WalkelyFan]

Why does Whiteman appear to be ahead of Brookes in terms of where he is right now in career progression ? Is it an age thing ? Is he more mature physically ? Or is he simply a better player ?

When Brooks came here - and the first time I saw him - he looked about twelve. Clearly why City let him go! He made Louis Reed look old. I thought that any moment his mother would rush on and take him off for his tea. He is much more physically mature now and I may suggest he has had a growth spurt.

But like Scougall in the end he is easily knocked off the ball. I couldn't have imagined him against the giants of Bolton for example. I reckon a year at Chesterfield will be just the job for him. A year at Mansfield has done Whiteman a lot of good.

 

[JJBlade]

Sold very soon

 

[Yarrayering]

So proud to see a young sheff utd player doing so well for England....bet chessie cant wait to see him..COYRAWW

 

[Pinchy]

But what if, in January, we need a quick little winger that can make something happen for us, and we don't have to sign one because we've developed one in the right way already at the club.

The most successful teams are the ones that focus on a long term plan. Sometimes you have to invest time and let players make mistakes before they get good enough.

I assume you were annoyed when we promoted Harry up from the under 18 team. ''Sign another ageing experienced CB to play alongside Collins instead. I don't care about what's good for the player.'' Sometimes, what's good for the player is also good for the club.

On the topic of Harry, you'd more than likely not want him back at United if we miraculously got offered him, despite being valued at £25 million.... Because he once played for us.

You'd also turn down England center half Jagielka, and go on to write literally hundreds of posts about ex Blades players with in depth analysis that starts and ends with ''because they played for us once'' and ''everyone is obsessed with ex players and seems to discriminate towards them'', failing to see the irony that you're doing exactly the same thing but in the opposite way. It's become an obsession to you, and it's not only making you look like a bit of an idiot, it's also blinding your judgement I think.

You seem to not really want what's best for this club, you want to be proved right. As that's not happened in a really long time, you've taken to parodying in a way that I don't really understand. Like your recent 'parody' linking 'every fucker' to the club making out all the fans are annoyed we haven't got them and directing their annoyance towards KM / CW. I haven't seen any evidence of that happening on these forums. The parody might have been funny if there had been any sort of discontent on here. Swing and a miss.

You've used up a great deal of time and a lot of words, none of which contradict anything I said in the post to which you replied. Unless of course you are arguing that players should be selected before they are good enough. Surely not?

 

[mattbianco1]

The main U20s played today in the World Cup final, and won. The U20s World Cup clashed with the Toulon Tournament, an U20s Tournament of lesser prestige, and so a secondary U20s team was cobbled together to compete simultaneously for both.

We won both; DCL and the main U20s today in the World Cup, Brooks and the other U20s yesterday in the Toulon Tournament.

Aaah right.

No bloody wonder I was confused

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This boy can obviously play so why does he not get a sniff with us? My Chezzy mate thinks we've shafted them with the Ched deal, think he may be surprised.

 

[Berlin Blade]

You've used up a great deal of time and a lot of words, none of which contradict anything I said in the post to which you replied. Unless of course you are arguing that players should be selected before they are good enough. Surely not?

Picture scenario A:

Brooks starts the season with us, plays a handful of games on the wing. He looks a bit out of his depth there. 6.5/10 performances every week. By mid October he begins to develop his game more, his confidence comes on leaps and bounds and starts to chip in with goals and assists. Start of December he develops an understanding with Sharp, they look great together and both contribute to a great run which builds his confidence even more. He finishes the season on 10 goals and 18 assists, getting 8.5/10 performances every week.

Scenario B:
Duffy/Holmes start the season rotating the position while Brooks goes out on loan to league 2. They don't let anybody down. Solid 7.2/10 every week.

I've nothing against Duffy, i think he's a good player, but him and Holmes will be worth £0 after this season, and Brooks could establish himself as an asset financially / for the team.

Would I want to select players that aren't good enough? I'd rather not, but if it's for the greater good of the team and club then yes I would be open to carrying them for a while (aka 'giving them a chance').

If you were a Man Utd fan, i can imagine your reaction the day Rashford got his first start. He was scheduled to go on loan to Crewe that week. You'd have slated the management for playing somebody 'not good enough yet', and of course you'd have also been the first to jump on the band wagon when he was proved to be their most exciting player of his generation.

 

[Pinchy]

Picture scenario A:

Brooks starts the season with us, plays a handful of games on the wing. He looks a bit out of his depth there. 6.5/10 performances every week. By mid October he begins to develop his game more, his confidence comes on leaps and bounds and starts to chip in with goals and assists. Start of December he develops an understanding with Sharp, they look great together and both contribute to a great run which builds his confidence even more. He finishes the season on 10 goals and 18 assists, getting 8.5/10 performances every week.

Scenario B:
Duffy/Holmes start the season rotating the position while Brooks goes out on loan to league 2. They don't let anybody down. Solid 7.2/10 every week.

I've nothing against Duffy, i think he's a good player, but him and Holmes will be worth £0 after this season, and Brooks could establish himself as an asset financially / for the team.

Would I want to select players that aren't good enough? I'd rather not, but if it's for the greater good of the team and club then yes I would be open to carrying them for a while (aka 'giving them a chance').

If you were a Man Utd fan, i can imagine your reaction the day Rashford got his first start. He was scheduled to go on loan to Crewe that week. You'd have slated the management for playing somebody 'not good enough yet', and of course you'd have also been the first to jump on the band wagon when he was proved to be their most exciting player of his generation.

I don't picture speculative scenarios; neither does Tufty. He'll pick players when they deserve to be picked; young, old or in-between. So would I. He manages in professional football, not the X-Factor.

If you're in favour of givimarun, pop down to the park and watch a bunch of u15s; maybe even manage them. But please leave the Blades to people who know what they are doing.

 

[Berlin Blade]

I don't picture speculative scenarios; neither does Tufty. He'll pick players when they deserve to be picked; young, old or in-between. So would I. He manages in professional football, not the X-Factor.

If you're in favour of givimarun, pop down to the park and watch a bunch of u15s; maybe even manage them. But please leave the Blades to people who know what they are doing.

So you're saying..

''Never take risks, unless they come off.''

And yeah, no worries. Does anyone wanna buy my season ticket? Buyer must be qualified.

 

[larkymasher]

We need to put the Toulon Competition in contexts. England played Angola, Japan, Cuba, Scotland and The Ivory Coast. The opposition was not the best.
That said, for Brookes to come out as the top player is fantastic, but to say he should play with our first team is way off the mark.

It is a bit like Piggy Hirst starting for the pigs next year based on the fact he won the top goalscorer award. He scored 3 against Cuba ( 165 in the world ) and against Japan. Good but not special.

Brooks needs a season in mans league football week in week out to mature. Why can't everyone just let him get on with that and stop insisting we push these youngsters quicker than we need to.

As for losing him to a premiership club, well thats for the club to make sure it doesn't happen.

And for anyone thinking i am being harsh on Brooks, i have watched him almost every game for the 23s and would class myself as one of the lads biggest fans, but he needs to grow and toughen up, so a year out on loan is perfect for his development.

 

[Pinchy]

So you're saying..

''Never take risks, unless they come off.''

And yeah, no worries. Does anyone wanna buy my season ticket? Buyer must be qualified.

You might want to take notice of larkymasher rather than playing your own version of Stars in Their Eyes. He knows what he's talking about.

I'll be as happy as anyone if the lad (and that's all he is) comes through, but it doesn't happen by wishing. Meanwhile Tufty has to navigate his way through a tough grown-up league. He knows the difference between risk-taking and foolishness. He also knows far better than any of us when a player should be selected and when he shouldn't.

It's worth remembering that today's hero DCL has also yet to demonstrate that he can cope with grown-up football. Please don't tell me that he's "played" for Everton. I know. I've seen him.

 

[larkymasher]

So you're saying..

''Never take risks, unless they come off.''

And yeah, no worries. Does anyone wanna buy my season ticket? Buyer must be qualified.

As it stood the club last season could not afford to take risks. They had to get out of L1. Hence no risks were taken with any youngsters last season.

As it stands this season the club can't afford to drop back to L1 again. Hence no risks will be taken again.

Unfortunately thats the situation our youngsters find themselves in due to where the club has been for 6 seasons.

CW will only introduce young players when they are ready in his eyes. The fact we are on the up means that our youngsters have the time to go on loan or play 23s football for longer. Reed would never have been chucked in at 16 years old under CW. DCL was not ready in CWs eyes, Whiteman is not ready in his eyes, Brooks is not ready in his eyes, .................................. But if and when they are CW will introduce them.

If a lad is not ready at 19 years old then so what?

Let the manager manage. That's what he is clearly good at.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

We need to put the Toulon Competition in contexts. England played Angola, Japan, Cuba, Scotland and The Ivory Coast. The opposition was not the best.
That said, for Brookes to come out as the top player is fantastic, but to say he should play with our first team is way off the mark.

It is a bit like Piggy Hirst starting for the pigs next year based on the fact he won the top goalscorer award. He scored 3 against Cuba ( 165 in the world ) and against Japan. Good but not special.

Brooks needs a season in mans league football week in week out to mature. Why can't everyone just let him get on with that and stop insisting we push these youngsters quicker than we need to.

As for losing him to a premiership club, well thats for the club to make sure it doesn't happen.

And for anyone thinking i am being harsh on Brooks, i have watched him almost every game for the 23s and would class myself as one of the lads biggest fans, but he needs to grow and toughen up, so a year out on loan is perfect for his development.

Although I haven't seen him as much as your good self,I also class myself as a big fan of Brooks,he has got something special,but also he tries things and occasionally they don't come off,the great thing about him is that he has the confidence to keep on trying the these things,to see him running at defenders is a thing to behold

 

[larkymasher]

Picture scenario A:

Brooks starts the season with us, plays a handful of games on the wing. He looks a bit out of his depth there. 6.5/10 performances every week. By mid October he begins to develop his game more, his confidence comes on leaps and bounds and starts to chip in with goals and assists. Start of December he develops an understanding with Sharp, they look great together and both contribute to a great run which builds his confidence even more. He finishes the season on 10 goals and 18 assists, getting 8.5/10 performances every week.

Scenario B:
Duffy/Holmes start the season rotating the position while Brooks goes out on loan to league 2. They don't let anybody down. Solid 7.2/10 every week.

I've nothing against Duffy, i think he's a good player, but him and Holmes will be worth £0 after this season, and Brooks could establish himself as an asset financially / for the team.

Would I want to select players that aren't good enough? I'd rather not, but if it's for the greater good of the team and club then yes I would be open to carrying them for a while (aka 'giving them a chance').

If you were a Man Utd fan, i can imagine your reaction the day Rashford got his first start. He was scheduled to go on loan to Crewe that week. You'd have slated the management for playing somebody 'not good enough yet', and of course you'd have also been the first to jump on the band wagon when he was proved to be their most exciting player of his generation.

Rashford was initially used because there was no alternative at that time due to injuries at Man Utd.... Strange for a club that size but a fact none the less.

He was known as a talent, yes, but as you pointed out was due to go out on loan to Crewe.

He was following the same route as Brooks will follow. ( Talent Highlighted, play in youth set up, go on loan to man up and play regular mans football) So if that pathway is good enough for Man Utd then its good enough for Sheffield Utd. IMO

Rashford, Rooney, Ali are freaks of nature. It is unfair to make a comparison with them as they are certainly not the norm as i am sure you would agree.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

larkymasher ,did we only get Brooks at United because of his slight physical appearance,Man City released him,is that right?

 

[finlaytheblade]

As it stood the club last season could not afford to take risks. They had to get out of L1. Hence no risks were taken with any youngsters last season.

As it stands this season the club can't afford to drop back to L1 again. Hence no risks will be taken again.

Unfortunately thats the situation our youngsters find themselves in due to where the club has been for 6 seasons.

CW will only introduce young players when they are ready in his eyes. The fact we are on the up means that our youngsters have the time to go on loan or play 23s football for longer. Reed would never have been chucked in at 16 years old under CW. DCL was not ready in CWs eyes, Whiteman is not ready in his eyes, Brooks is not ready in his eyes, .................................. But if and when they are CW will introduce them.

If a lad is not ready at 19 years old then so what?

Let the manager manage. That's what he is clearly good at.

Agreed Larky I have seen Calvert Lewin and Brooksie a number of times over the last few years they can be special talents.
Both are late developers physically and needed protecting more than most ( especially Brooks who has grown physically stronger and bigger in the last year or so ) both have shown on these England trips to be good enough to compete at that level.
Both still need time to mature especially Brooks , Calvert Lewis has gone now so that's up to Everyone ,Brooksie is being brought along slowly it will pay off in the future I expect him to revel in whatever roll Chesterfield give him and come back a more experienced and mature player possibly in January.It's possible Wilder will leave him there for the season if it suits his progress,we could have a real star in the making

 

[finlaytheblade]

Agreed Larky I have seen Calvert Lewin and Brooksie a number of times over the last few years they can be special talents.
Both are late developers physically and needed protecting more than most ( especially Brooks who has grown physically stronger and bigger in the last year or so ) both have shown on these England trips to be good enough to compete at that level.
Both still need time to mature especially Brooks , Calvert Lewis has gone now so that's up to Everyone ,Brooksie is being brought along slowly it will pay off in the future I expect him to revel in whatever roll Chesterfield give him and come back a more experienced and mature player possibly in January.It's possible Wilder will leave him there for the season if it suits his progress,we could have a real star in the making

Sorry my spelling checker kicked in it should have read Everyone's not everyone

 

[finlaytheblade]

Sorry my spelling checker kicked in it should have read Everyone's not everyone

It's done it again it should read Everton

 

[larkymasher]

Although I haven't seen him as much as your good self,I also class myself as a big fan of Brooks,he has got something special,but also he tries things and occasionally they don't come off,the great thing about him is that he has the confidence to keep on trying the these things,to see him running at defenders is a thing to behold

100% agree. He has really come on in the last 12 months.

The season before last he was very inconsistent with obvious talent. Last season he became a very consistent performer week in week out. Now a full season in L2 will really bring him on further.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Brooks has a lot of talent, but I still think he needs a loan move until at least January, to get up to pace physically. If we play with a number ten next season he could become a viable option, as the position can cover up physical limitations.. I was a lone voice tipping DCL for a big move and impact on here. I think he still needs to fill out a bit, but his goal today was very typical of him. I also note the lucrative long term contract he signed recently.Hopefully we have a sell on clause in the deal.

 

[larkymasher]

larkymasher ,did we only get Brooks at United because of his slight physical appearance,Man City released him,is that right?

He was released by Man City due to his size and stature as far as i know.

He looked like a 14 year old when he arrived and had obvious talent but was inconsistent. Without doubt though Adkins and now Wilder could see something in him. For me he has just got better and more consistent as each season has passed.

I also know he has signed a three year contract so is under contract until 2020. Although as you know Fred, that doesn't really count for much these days. If the club have a valuation on him and a club meets or beats that valuation the chances are he would leave. Thats the nature of the beast sadly....