Danny Wilson & The Stay Away Blades.

[TonyWarnock]

As somebody who decided to stay away from BDTBL while the likes of Bryan Robson and Danny Wilson was manager of SUFC, I hope that with the appointment of David Weir we will once again have a UNITED fanbase and club as well?

Now that a clean broom has been allowed to take over at the club I shall be once again returning to The Lane with hope and optimism that things can change for the better. Why the club chose to appoint the managers in question I do not know? Surely they should have seen the problems that were bound to happen with their appointments?

But that is in the past and it is to the future that we should now look to and begin to build a squad of players that can perform well and play attractive and entertaining football. In David Weir we have an unknown manager, but we will surely get a manager in a similar vein to David Moyes and the work ethics by which he worked, if we do then I'm sure that Blades fans will enjoy having David Weir as manager and I hope that all Blades fans who made a protest against the last manager's appointment and stayed away, will once again return to support the club.

So it is going to be good to chat with all that visit this board and get behind SUFC and once again become UNITED in our support of the club.

TW.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

A couple of points, most will agree that the 1st season under Wilson was one of the best in recent times in terms of entertainment so you missed out there.

Secondly, if you think Weir is a 'clean broom' for all things SUFC, you may be in for a rude awakening.

 

[TopBoy]

The broom has been purchased but there are still shitty stains on the carpet which the broom will have to cicumnavigate in the form of high earners / very limited footballers in Porter, Higgingbotham and to some extent Doyle.

 

[Eskimo]

Welcome back to the fold, I can understand your attitude to Bryan Robson, I was aghast but was your dislike of Wilson due entirely to his Wednesday connections?

 

[TonyWarnock]

Jim what I'm trying to say when I say ''clean broom'' is that he has very little ex Blade-so-we-must-appoint-him-as-manager past to him? He comes here as somebody we all know, with a good record as a player and served under a manager who knew how to produce a good side on not a lot of money.

Another bonus for us may be the defence may improve from having an ex defender as manager? He knows what a good defence looks like and if we are solid in defence we will not concede goals. That is the bedrock of any football club.

 

[TonyWarnock]

TB I fear the worse stains were made by Robson, who was given too much money and had absolutely no idea of how to manage a club? Had Warnock not been allowed to leave he would have got us back up with the money Robson squandered. We are STILL to this day feeling the affects of Robson and I started an online petition to get him removed from SUFC well before his fateful last game in charge and it was signed by hundreds of fans.

 

[S6Blade]

TB I fear the worse stains were made by Robson, who was given too much money and had absolutely no idea of how to manage a club? Had Warnock not been allowed to leave he would have got us back up with the money Robson squandered. We are STILL to this day feeling the affects of Robson and I started an online petition to get him removed from SUFC well before his fateful last game in charge and it was signed by hundreds of fans.

Neil, is that you?

 

[TonyWarnock]

Esk The wendy connection was a major factor, but well before he was even announced as manager, Swindon fans told us on other forums how things would go with Wilson and they were spot on. They said he would do well in the first season, then teams would suss out his tactics and he would be found wanting, pretty much sums up his tenure at SUFC, they said that at least two month before his appointment, but the powers that be at SUFC decided it was a good appointment and in doing so split the club in two with their appointment and shot themselves in the foot financially when people like me withdrew their support in protest? The fans are the lifeblood of the club and without them there is no club, so why upset the most important element in a football clubs dynamics with a manager the majority of fans could never and would never get behind? Life is all about cause and effect, they create the manager cause and the effect is fans stay away, it doesn't have to be that way if the fans are consulted first. I believe Schalke in Germany have a fan representative that sits on their board and the board listen to what the fans have to say through that representative, seem like a good way of including the fans on any decision making the club have to make to me?

 

[TonyWarnock]

s6 ...no its not Neil if only I had half the money he has I would be a very happy man...lol..

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Jim what I'm trying to say when I say ''clean broom'' is that he has very little ex Blade-so-we-must-appoint-him-as-manager past to him? He comes here as somebody we all know, with a good record as a player and served under a manager who knew how to produce a good side on not a lot of money.

Another bonus for us may be the defence may improve from having an ex defender as manager? He knows what a good defence looks like and if we are solid in defence we will not concede goals. That is the bedrock of any football club.

I don't recall many complaints when Speed got the manager's job and let's not forget, Weir spent a lot of time training with us 18 months or so ago

As a word of caution, I don't recall us defending that brilliantly under then new manager and top defender Steve Bruce.

I've no complaints with Weir given the circumstances, I'm just surprised that for someone who stayed away the season before last, you think these two factors are going to make you want to return.

 

[raul]

Off to see them on Friday night. Looking forward to it. I'll probably bump into Grecian, but not Houso.

 

[mattbianco1]

As somebody who decided to stay away from BDTBL while the likes of Bryan Robson and Danny Wilson was manager of SUFC, I hope that with the appointment of David Weir we will once again have a UNITED fanbase and club as well?

Stayed away under Wilson?! The manager with the highest win ratio of any previous permanent manager?

Only a freak set of results prevented us being promoted back at the first attempt. Then, half the squad ripped away and the wage bill slashed and yet still on the day of his sacking, automatic promotion was still in our own hands.

I'm with you on Robson. We should've walked the league with that squad.

 

[sheffielder]

A couple of points, most will agree that the 1st season under Wilson was one of the best in recent times in terms of entertainment so you missed out there.

Secondly, if you think Weir is a 'clean broom' for all things SUFC, you may be in for a rude awakening.

When was the last time you had a season ticket at the lane Jim?

 

[sheffielder]

Amazingly some people including myself didn't want Danny Wilson because his record for getting teams promoted is absolutely shocking. It wasn't like any of his teams were not contenders yet they all blew it so he is a serial choker for me. This win ratio wants to make me going windmilling through the R&R at times. fucking infuriating why people chose this and not promotion to gauge success.

I think people are looking at Wilson's first season with a bit of a misty eye due to the points and goals etc; however we were not very good with Cresswell and Porter upfront under Evans decided he was a football player around November time. His movement alone made from December onwards a great time to watch us with Williamson, McDonald and Quinn benefiting. People will say that it was Wilson who got the best out of Evans, yet it is known that it was Morgan who got to grips with him and made him buckle his ideas up.

2nd season and yes were a vastly different team, but we have good players. The tactics became negative, the 2 full backs never crossed the half way line and McDonald spent half his time going backwards. We need to spend the summer working on movement and hopefully finding a striker who can get on the shoulder of the last man.

EDIT - oh and we need to be a lot fitter

 

[TonyWarnock]

Time will tell if DW is up to the job, he was a good defender and learned a lot from a man who did have a good defence at Everton, working with the likes of Jagielka etc. Yes he did train with us for a short period but once he was back with Everton he would have learned a lot from his time as a coach and must have improved too, Moyes recommended him for the managers job at Everton so if Moyes believes he has the confidence and know how for that job he should be good enough and big enough to do well here.

His first steps will be to have a look at the players in pre-season and weed out the ones he doesn't want, interestingly that pre-season this year is in Scotland and not Malta. Then once he has seen what the players can do, use his contacts to attract players he knows and integrate them into the squad before the first fixture at home against Notts County.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

As somebody who decided to stay away from BDTBL while the likes of Bryan Robson and Danny Wilson was manager of SUFC, I hope that with the appointment of David Weir we will once again have a UNITED fanbase and club as well?

Now that a clean broom has been allowed to take over at the club I shall be once again returning to The Lane with hope and optimism that things can change for the better. Why the club chose to appoint the managers in question I do not know? Surely they should have seen the problems that were bound to happen with their appointments?

But that is in the past and it is to the future that we should now look to and begin to build a squad of players that can perform well and play attractive and entertaining football. In David Weir we have an unknown manager, but we will surely get a manager in a similar vein to David Moyes and the work ethics by which he worked, if we do then I'm sure that Blades fans will enjoy having David Weir as manager and I hope that all Blades fans who made a protest against the last manager's appointment and stayed away, will once again return to support the club.

So it is going to be good to chat with all that visit this board and get behind SUFC and once again become UNITED in our support of the club.

TW.

Glory hunter.... Actually you make a point and I agree with your right to make it and I know many people have said the same.

I've always supported the team regardless and have always have had a season ticket, renewing as soon as I could.

You and the others like you are entitled to your opinion, I just totally disagree that not not turning up to matches does any good at all - it doesn't.

 

[TonyWarnock]

When making any decisions about a manager, those decisions should be thought through very carefully. In the case of both Robson and Wilson they clearly weren't.
Robson's overall record was poor before he arrived at BDTBL, now they are in tatters after his shambolic coaching in Thailand. Wilson with his wendy past was just so much of a non starter it is unbelievable, it is akin to Warnock joining the wendys, Lennon joining rangers or Gerard joining man utd. The board created problems for themselves they needn't have created. They drove a wedge between the fans and then were totally obtuse as to why the fans were staying away ?

On a positive note hopefully DW can identify the next Jagielka from the academy and get him in the first team straight away.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

When was the last time you had a season ticket at the lane Jim?

The season before last..................wait for it........wait for it................

 

[Guesty]

The thread title would make a great band name, I feel.

 

[TonyWarnock]

Funny that Guesty once I had posted it I thought exactly the same thing, but I didn't set out to do that LOL..

 

[Bladesman]

The thread title would make a great band name, I feel.

Would probably get to number 1 but for only a brief period of time.

 

[sitwell]

sounds more like a number 2 to me .

 

[sheffielder]

sounds more like a number 2 to me .

sounds like a number 3 followed by a mediocre performance on Stage at Wembley

 

[Jonboy60]

The broom has been purchased but there are still shitty stains on the carpet which the broom will have to cicumnavigate in the form of high earners / very limited footballers in Porter, Higgingbotham and to some extent Doyle.

Not like the 'original' broom, That trigger from 'Only fools........ Had then. What was it 12 new heads and 15 new handles. Classic.

 

[Bladesway]

Esk The wendy connection was a major factor, but well before he was even announced as manager, Swindon fans told us on other forums how things would go with Wilson and they were spot on. They said he would do well in the first season, then teams would suss out his tactics and he would be found wanting, pretty much sums up his tenure at SUFC, they said that at least two month before his appointment, but the powers that be at SUFC decided it was a good appointment and in doing so split the club in two with their appointment and shot themselves in the foot financially when people like me withdrew their support in protest? The fans are the lifeblood of the club and without them there is no club, so why upset the most important element in a football clubs dynamics with a manager the majority of fans could never and would never get behind? Life is all about cause and effect, they create the manager cause and the effect is fans stay away, it doesn't have to be that way if the fans are consulted first. I believe Schalke in Germany have a fan representative that sits on their board and the board listen to what the fans have to say through that representative, seem like a good way of including the fans on any decision making the club have to make to me?

Holy crap this is a mixed bag of "mmm good point" and "you are shitting me aren't you"?

Robson, bad appointment agreed (at the point where McCabe clearly had lost his marbles) but getting rid of Warnock was probably a season too late. Should have got rid when we got promoted. History has dictated this to be right with other clubs also.

Blackwell wasn't a bad appointment until McCabe lost his box and sold half the squad. Then it became an issue. Subsequent appointments were just based on bladey bladesness until Wilson which was a solid appointment. I challenge SAF to go win the league last season with his top striker sent down. Last season would have also been better had McCabe not sold Blackman (again, lost his box mid season).

You say the majority of fans wouldn't get behind Wilson. I say 18,000 plus those like myself who can't make it regular make you wrong. It became arguable last season following Blackmans sale, but sacking him with 5 games to go was lunacy of the first degree. Whilever we had a chance of going up automatically, Wilson should have been given the chance to do it. You seem to have an elevated opinion of your value to the club with your "shot themselves in the foot financially when people like me withdrew their support" comment. The fact Wilson had former pig connections only mattered to those small minded arseholes who turned up for a photo opportunity in the car park.

To sum up, I think you are the secret son of Neil Warnock on the wind up. Mind you Warnock can't keep secrets whilever his gob flaps so perhaps I'm wrong.

 

[Blackheath Blade]

As somebody who decided to stay away from BDTBL while the likes of Bryan Robson and Danny Wilson was manager of SUFC, I hope that with the appointment of David Weir we will once again have a UNITED fanbase and club as well?

Now that a clean broom has been allowed to take over at the club I shall be once again returning to The Lane with hope and optimism that things can change for the better. Why the club chose to appoint the managers in question I do not know? Surely they should have seen the problems that were bound to happen with their appointments?

But that is in the past and it is to the future that we should now look to and begin to build a squad of players that can perform well and play attractive and entertaining football. In David Weir we have an unknown manager, but we will surely get a manager in a similar vein to David Moyes and the work ethics by which he worked, if we do then I'm sure that Blades fans will enjoy having David Weir as manager and I hope that all Blades fans who made a protest against the last manager's appointment and stayed away, will once again return to support the club.

So it is going to be good to chat with all that visit this board and get behind SUFC and once again become UNITED in our support of the club.

TW.

So just because the club have appointed someone as manager who you agree with on this occasion, you're urging all those who have stayed away to come flocking back just because you think it's ok?

Correct me if i'm missing the point here but the first thought that struck me about the post was how hypocritical it comes across as.

You're never gonna get everyone agreeing 100% on whoever is appointed, nevertheless, i've always stuck by the ethic that anyone in any job, in any industry, should be given the chance to prove themselves.

Yet you decide to cut your support for the club (your choice I acknowledge) and then come back a few years later asking those who have continued to spend their money watching the team home and away, to "get behind SUFC and once again become UNITED in our support of the club."?

Sorry but what a load of shite.

 

[TonyWarnock]

We all have opinions which is what these forums are about, i made my stance and that is that, if people went to see Wilsons side then good for them. How people spend their money on football is a matter for them.

Wilson was given the job and he failed, so he was given the chance and blew it, that is a fact, if it wasn't he would still be here, i just wasn't prepared to trust somebody who had been a player and manager of our hated rivals to guide SUFC into any direction that the fans so richly deserve.

As i say we are all of an opinion and i respect all others opinion on this subject, i don't wish to be at loggerheads with any blades fans over this, after all it wasn't us who appointed those managers but the board, but it is us who are expected to pay to watch their sides.

 

[Pinchy]

We got very good crowds under Danny Wilson. In recent times, the manager who made most fans walk away was none other than Dave Bassett. Some of our crowds in the top flight were absolutely pitiful and in his last season....

Let's not introduce fallacies to bolster our parochial prejudices, eh?

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

The thread title would make a great band name, I feel.

Nearly as good as Captain Blade and the Aganauts.



I'll get me coat.

 

[wardonia_blade]

I believe Schalke in Germany have a fan representative that sits on their board and the board listen to what the fans have to say through that representative, seem like a good way of including the fans on any decision making the club have to make to me?[/quote]

When United had fan representatives involved in the new manager decision Adrian Heath was appointed.

I welcomed his appointment. Adrian was a well respected player, hard working and committed throughout his career, a qualified coach but little managerial experience, ex Everton with good connections.

Same as David Weir.

Adrian's initial signings were good; Shaun Murphy and Marcus Bent for next to nothing. What Heath didn't get, however, was time. If David Weir doesn't get time it will go the same way and we will be looking around for a new David Weir.

It will take a minimum of five years to turn this mess around. In that time I am looking for one promotion, an established playing style (not really bothered what it is) with a plan B if we are losing, a comprehensive scouting system covering lower leagues in UK and Europe, continued investment in the Academy and financial stability.

I fully support the Weir appointment and am optimistic / excited by it. However, if we go a goal down to Notts County, please give him a little bit longer.