Cuvelier Update

[EddieColquhoun]

Yes Dane ,we saw in patches what J Wallace brings to the table sheer class. Morgan has them lads playing some good stuff the movement
from back to front is exciting to watch,morgs couldn't play footy like that but the way we push &move the ball around is great to see,hard to pick a man of match but flynnaldo took his goals really well and Banton looks a real prospect at centre back.,We have got some real quality coming through ,.they're worth watching.

If Basham is injured for next game, has J Wallace moved into pole position?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If Basham is injured for next game, has J Wallace moved into pole position?

He'll trip over the pole and injure himself before the next game.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Cuvelier was fit for 4 months before we loaned him to Port Vale. People seem to have forgotten his piss-poor performances.

It was the team that was piss poor with a manager out of his depth.
When Clough came in he didn't fancy
him and let him go to vale it's all history now.But he's a talented footballer and we aren't that we'll off
to release him(would be stupid) let's see what he can offer when fit.He and Wallace must be two frustrated
young men as talent wise they are
right up there.One thing for sure is. both will have no trouble with takers
in the summer.Do we want that or do we get them fit to star for us?.

 

[Revolution]

It was the team that was piss poor with a manager out of his depth.
When Clough came in he didn't fancy
him and let him go to vale it's all history now.But he's a talented footballer and we aren't that we'll off
to release him(would be stupid) let's see what he can offer when fit.He and Wallace must be two frustrated
young men as talent wise they are
right up there.One thing for sure is. both will have no trouble with takers
in the summer.Do we want that or do we get them fit to star for us?.

Wallace will have trouble with takers. No one in their right mind will sign him.

Cuvelier has played 10 games in 2 and a half years, playing well once. I am unconvinced there will be a big queue to sign him.

We should not renew either contract under any circumstances. I don't care how well they play (and I don't think they will play much, if at all, for the rest of the season). We have better things to spend our money on - players with better fitness records.

 

[mosbolad]

I went to the 21s game. Really good to see Cuvelier back and pleased for Flynn always like him, just a bit lightweight though.

One thing I did notice with Cuvelier was a reluctance to get forward with the ball there was one occasion second half when on the right he had about 3 chances with the ball to turn out and bomb up the wing to maybe put a cross in but each time he chose to pass back the way he was facing. Having said that, very good to see him back fit and well and with growing confidence of minutes on the pitch he may be a good addition to the squad.

Flynn 2 great goals both well taken see the goals vid earlier in the post.

It must be mentioned that Morgs is doing well with the team. 10 winds 3 draws 5 losses in all competitions this season.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

It was the team that was piss poor with a manager out of his depth.
When Clough came in he didn't fancy
him and let him go to vale it's all history now.But he's a talented footballer and we aren't that we'll off
to release him(would be stupid) let's see what he can offer when fit.He and Wallace must be two frustrated
young men as talent wise they are
right up there.One thing for sure is. both will have no trouble with takers
in the summer.Do we want that or do we get them fit to star for us?.

Which team is going to want to sign players who can only play a handful of times per season? Unless these two (and Kennedy) have a run of games with no injuries, they will be only offered contracts on greatly reduced terms (and probably by a team lower down the pyramid than us).

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Wallace will have trouble with takers. No one in their right mind will sign him.

Cuvelier has played 10 games in 2 and a half years, playing well once. I am unconvinced there will be a big queue to sign him.

We should not renew either contract under any circumstances. I don't care how well they play (and I don't think they will play much, if at all, for the rest of the season). We have better things to spend our money on - players with better fitness records.

Cuvelier has also had two loan spells where he managed one game for each club to boost his tally up to 12 games.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Unless these two (and Kennedy) have a run of games with no injuries, they will be only offered contracts on greatly reduced terms (and probably by a team lower down the pyramid than us).

Speaking of which, since his substitution early in a game a few weeks ago (when he was bizarrely put at left-back) his only involvement seems to be on the bench. The fact he's not established himself in that League 2 team is a concern.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Speaking of which, since his substitution early in a game a few weeks ago (when he was bizarrely put at left-back) his only involvement seems to be on the bench. The fact he's not established himself in that League 2 team is a concern.

Wouldn't surprise me if Kennedy called it a day in May and likewise for the 2 midfielders - millionaires at 23/24 - the world is your lobster!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Wallace will have trouble with takers. No one in their right mind will sign him.

Cuvelier has played 10 games in 2 and a half years, playing well once. I am unconvinced there will be a big queue to sign him.

We should not renew either contract under any circumstances. I don't care how well they play (and I don't think they will play much, if at all, for the rest of the season). We have better things to spend our money on - players with better fitness records.

We will see when contracts run out won't we!!

 

[Slim Man]

Wouldn't surprise me if Kennedy called it a day in May and likewise for the 2 midfielders - millionaires at 23/24 - the world is your lobster!

Millionaires? Doubt it..

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Cuvelier was fit for 4 months before we loaned him to Port Vale. People seem to have forgotten his piss-poor performances.

He didn’t seem to fit in under Clough did he? Probably because he was a lightweight flair player. I’m not convinced he’s what we need but better to have him as a fit option than on the treatment table. If nothing else, he might get himself in the shop window for a January move.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Millionaires? Doubt it..

If they are on 5k a week, Cuvelier's contract with us is worth £750k. Wallace's deal is reported as either 2 or 3 years - at 5k a week thats £500k or £750k. Then add on their previous earnings plus signing on fees. It's not a bad start in life.

 

[Lowen]

Banton looks a real prospect at centre back.

Anyone know how old Banton is? Wonder if he'll get near the first team

 

[S5Blade]

Anyone know how old Banton is? Wonder if he'll get near the first team

I saw him at 3 pre season friendlies and he looked far from a real prospect...... He looked decent in the one real under 21 game I have seen but not seen enough this season unfortunately to comment on how he has progressed since then

 

[finlaytheblade]

Anyone know how old Banton is? Wonder if he'll get near the first team

I think he is 20 he was at Arsenal been here a couple of years he has. improved. a lot this season., probably the loan to Halifax has served him well.Not the biggest but a tough robust lad

 

[Bladeloyal]

If they are on 5k a week, Cuvelier's contract with us is worth £750k. Wallace's deal is reported as either 2 or 3 years - at 5k a week thats £500k or £750k. Then add on their previous earnings plus signing on fees. It's not a bad start in life.

Wallace came from tranmere where he would be on no more than 1500 a week he won't be on any more than 2 k . And it seems in the land of Eddie they don't pay 40%tax and n.i , average wages in div 2 is less than a grand a week ,our division most clubs won't be paying anyone over 2 k

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I saw him at 3 pre season friendlies and he looked far from a real prospect...... He looked decent in the one real under 21 game I have seen but not seen enough this season unfortunately to comment on how he has progressed since then

Agreed. He seems very limited from what I've seen, which, admittedly, isn't that much.

A lot of the u21s I've seen are, at the same time, one step and a million miles away from first team football.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Can't understand all this negativity about cavalier he's been very unlucky with injuries all stemming from his recovery from a cruciate repair,.
22 and thrown on the scrap heap .A fair number of players have lost 1 to 2 years with serious and niggling injuries but come back and had great careers (you can add James Wallace to that list as well another young player just 23 thrown to the wolves according to some negative
blades).There's no guarantee s but both players are potentially premiership quality and we have been unlucky investing time and money in
them will little to show so far..To throw away that investment when both are showing signs of getting back to full fitness would be crazy.
If we RELEASE them some lucky clubs will benefit from the investment we have put in them., stick with them I say we will get the benefits
in the long run,I trust Adkins to get them playing again.

Exactly the same injury (about the same time as well) that Diego had, and he still gets the dogs from plenty on here.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Wallace came from tranmere where he would be on no more than 1500 a week he won't be on any more than 2 k . And it seems in the land of Eddie they don't pay 40%tax and n.i , average wages in div 2 is less than a grand a week ,our division most clubs won't be paying anyone over 2 k

Unfortunately we are not "most clubs". In the last accounts I can access our wage bill was £8m. Is that what "most clubs in our division" pay?
Do you really think that Brayford, Sharp, Baxter, Done, Coutts, Hammond, Sammon and Collins are on £2k per week?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Unfortunately we are not "most clubs". In the last accounts I can access our wage bill was £8m. Is that what "most clubs in our division" pay?
Do you really think that Brayford, Sharp, Baxter, Done, Coutts, Hammond, Sammon and Collins are on £2k per week?

I said most clubs ,the players you mentioned wil be on more . But Wallace won't be on big wages that's for sure .and wont be in millionaires row . He will be very lucky if he's on more than 100k a year so when he's had his deductions he will be clearing about 65 k . Wouldn't have thought he could save more than 20k a year

 

[Hodgyman]

Even with his injury he maybe offers more than Woolford.

I've fixed it for you

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I said most clubs ,the players you mentioned wil be on more . But Wallace won't be on big wages that's for sure .and wont be in millionaires row . He will be very lucky if he's on more than 100k a year so when he's had his deductions he will be clearing about 65 k . Wouldn't have thought he could save more than 20k a year

Matty Done was probably not on a big wage at Rochdale, but Keith Hill said he couldn't prevent him becoming a millionaire and joining us on a 2 and a half year deal. We had to pay a fee for Wallace. Are you assuming his agent was unaware of the wages our other players were on?

 

[AlienBlade]

Cuvelier deserves a chance. And, given what's happened/happening with Coutts, I think he might get one and thrive physically.

I think Wallace has been given his chance and not taken it. Looking at his playing record he's managed at most 20 games in a season and (anecdotally) hardly ever completed a full week's training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wallace_(footballer)#Career_statistics

I am a little perplexed by this..

Firstly he managed 21 in 11/12 and 23 in 12/13


He is 1 year older than cuvellier and only injury (just like Flo's) has preventef him from taking his chance...

Despite only being 1 year older than Flo... he has played nearly twice as many games as Flo... so if we were to throw one on the rubbish heap Flo would be a far greater contender...(he has played half the games wallace has for united)

I wish they would both stay fit... both are great footballers. Its only the fitness that lets them down.. and flos injury record is actually worse than Wallaces....

So prey tell why do you think Wallce has "had his chance" despite being here for less time but played more games... yet think Flo still warrents a chance??

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I said most clubs ,the players you mentioned wil be on more . But Wallace won't be on big wages that's for sure .and wont be in millionaires row . He will be very lucky if he's on more than 100k a year so when he's had his deductions he will be clearing about 65 k . Wouldn't have thought he could save more than 20k a year

Wallace and Baxter were Everton team-mates and both went on loan to Tranmere in 2011/12. At the end of the season Wallace signed for Tranmere. Baxter was out of contract, then without a club, then signed for Oldham. You accept that Baxter is on a much higher than 2k wage. Do you think his pal was unaware of this?

How about Cuvelier? A Belgian U21 international signed from a Premier Club for a fee?

 

[Revolution]

I have had a closer look at Cuvelier's United career. It is remarkable how little value we've had out of him.

2013-4 Season:

He signed on 2 September 2013, the last day of the transfer window that year.

He made his debut v Scunthorpe in the JPT, when we drew 0-0 and won on pens. He started and went off after 67 mins.

He then played 4 full league games in a row, on the next 4 Saturdays. We lost all 4 - 1-3 at Rotherham, 0-1 at Carlisle (he was terrible that day I recall), 0-1 at home to Preston and 0-2 at Wolves.

He got crocked against Crawley on 4 October, going off after 38 minutes.

He surfaced again on 26 October, coming on in the 89th minute of a 3-1 win over Crewe early in the Clough era.

Another late sub appearance followed on 29 December when we beat Tranmere 3-1. He came on after 83 minutes.

Clough then sent him to Port Vale. He lasted 36 mins for them on his 18 January debut before getting injured. That was it for the season.

2014-15 Season

His first appearance was as an 85th minute sub v Plymouth in the FA Cup on 6 December. He did lay on a goal for McNulty in the last minute, when we were 2-0 up.

He came on the following week at Fleetwood in the 79th minute as we drew 1-1.

He started the League Cup quarter final game against Southampton, playing well. He was subbed in the 73rd minute. This is the only game we've won in which he's played for more than 10 minutes.

There was another late sub appearance as we drew 1-1 at Walsall the following Saturday. He came on in the 84th minute.

Clough gave him a start at Port Vale on Boxing Day but he was sacrificed at half time after Basham got sent off and McCarthy was brought on. We played poorly and lost 2-1.

On loan at Burton, he came on in the 84th minute of their game at Hartlepool on 7 March this year. He managed to score the winner and injure himself, being subbed after 5 mins. That was his last competitive appearance.

2015-6 season

Half a season has gone, and Cuvelier has not played a single minute of first team football.

Not much for 28 months' wages, is it?

 

[sheffielder]

There injuries Wallace and Cuvellier have had aren't niggly injuries where their pulling a fast one by not playing. Both could have been career ending. I wish people would stop having cheap pops at players.

To think someone sat up writing a description of Cuveliier's last 28 months to prove a point is quite sad.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

There injuries Wallace and Cuvellier have had aren't niggly injuries where their pulling a fast one by not playing. Both could have been career ending. I wish people would stop having cheap pops at players.

To think someone sat up writing a description of Cuveliier's last 28 months to prove a point is quite sad.

I don't think that assessment was a "cheap pop" and there's no suggestion in that post that they weren't genuine injuries. If we want to reduce the squad and have a leaner group of decent quality that we can get more consistency from rather than chop & change frequently, it's fairly logical that a player that's struggled to recover from every injury he's had during his time here shouldn't be part of that group.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

There injuries Wallace and Cuvellier have had aren't niggly injuries where their pulling a fast one by not playing. Both could have been career ending. I wish people would stop having cheap pops at players.

To think someone sat up writing a description of Cuveliier's last 28 months to prove a point is quite sad.

Not sad , just reiterates the valid point that the recruitment policy on a number of players , has not been good enough , especially for a club operating under financial restraints and the ultimate aim of promotion, Tells us what we already know , but lets hope we now carry out more due deligence on potential players fitness and characters .

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Not sad , just reiterates the valid point that the recruitment policy on a number of players , has not been good enough , especially for a club operating under financial restraints and the ultimate aim of promotion, Tells us what we already know , but lets hope we now carry out more due deligence on potential players fitness and characters .

UTB

We can probably say we've been unlucky with Cuvelier – he didn't appear to join us with existing injuries, and the type of injury he picked up was unfortunate. For James Wallace, it was clearly a massive gamble given his injury history – and given we had to pay Tranmere a fee following tribunal, I think it's fair to say this signing was a mistake.