Monty's_Girl
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I've got my ticket......so only the snow can save me now!
Ha ha, got my ticket and will probably need some snow tyres to get there tomorrow!
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Ha ha, got my ticket and will probably need some snow tyres to get there tomorrow!
raul
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As an old codger it might have done Santos. In the days pre-Champions League, play-offs and a culture of league pre-eminence driven by Sky/the money to be earned from it the FA Cup was something people genuinely looked forward to as for many clubs all that was left to look forward to in Jan was (yet another) season of mid-table mediocrity. So a cup-run was something to be prized and the media attention given to the tournament was actually greater than winning the League imho because of the pomp and circumstance surrounding the day of the Final itself. The only domestic live game per season shown at that time and one where both BBC and ITV would have coverage from about 9am till 6pm, then MOTD from the Winners banquet.
No-one fielded weakened sides for the sake of it for the reasons above and it's worth remembering a 2nd Division team won it that year.
No-one fielded weakened sides for the sake of it for the reasons above and it's worth remembering a 2nd Division team won it that year.
JohnDenver
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My old man tells me that the biggest problem for the FA Cup is the clubs' promotion of season tickets and the cost of attendance.
In t'olden days you'd roll up, hand over a farthing or two, and watch the game every other week. These days the bulk of attendees are ST holders who either don't want the extra expenditure or are turned off by the hassle of getting another ticket beforehand.
I can see that view - none of my usual accomplices are going tomorrow, whereas if their season ticket covered the game, they'd roll up by routine (not that I'm advocating what Man U do with STs).
Personally I can't wait to break the Chrimbo fug by freezing my knackers off watching some Championship dirge. Really.
In t'olden days you'd roll up, hand over a farthing or two, and watch the game every other week. These days the bulk of attendees are ST holders who either don't want the extra expenditure or are turned off by the hassle of getting another ticket beforehand.
I can see that view - none of my usual accomplices are going tomorrow, whereas if their season ticket covered the game, they'd roll up by routine (not that I'm advocating what Man U do with STs).
Personally I can't wait to break the Chrimbo fug by freezing my knackers off watching some Championship dirge. Really.
AlienWoodward
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80-81 3rd division Lost in round 2 to Chesterfield 18,141 at home game 14,706 away replay
81-82 4th division out in 1st round to Altrincham god I remember that so well. 12,433
82-83 3rd division Home to Stoke 18,515
83-84 3rd division home to Brum 17,202
84-85 Div 2 lost away to Watford 17,604
85-86 div2 Home to Fulham 7,004
86-87 div 2 Home to Brighton 9,556
87-88 div 2 home to Maidstone 8,907
88-89 div 3 Home to Mansfield tues night match 11,556
Alien Woodward (Old Codger) happy to help the youngsters :thumbup:
JohnDenver
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If you want to be really helpful please can you provide each figure as a percentage of the average league attendance for every year.
If you've got a minute, like...
Only kidding - I already know Darren's onto it. 
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3 of us from Gainsborough are coming,cant wait!!
Elsecar_Blade
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I am personally of the opinion that cup games should be included in a season ticket. It would completely do away with the silly comments about needing a cup run for the finances - cup runs should be about trying to win the damn thing. Extra revenue would come in via extra ticket sales etc ...
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I'd argue with you but I know i'd lose
Easy one to win, if we took on the American system we would have to have 1.) the college system for our young players and 2.) franchises.
Sheffield at the very most would have one franchise paid for in large by the city.
Which team do you think they would choose?
I also agree that the Champions League/promotion idea is a silly one. I do like the idea of the season tickets getting cup matches (certainly for the early rounds) but in reality all the tournament needs is to get teams to take it more seriously and that can be done simply by making it financially rewarding.
If the amount you got for winning each round was sorted out so that each round gave you a big bonus in prize money then smaller clubs would take it more seriously. You have to make it a real advantage to get through each round but for that you need to find some funding, maybe from the FA or even PL. But if each team that got to the last 16 got £1 Million you would see all Championship teams going for it.
If you make the price money for winning the final £5 Million I would say most of the Premiership (maybe minus the CL teams) would go for it. You would probably need a total prize fund of £40 Million a season but given the money the FA can afford to spunk on Wembley when it wasn't needed and certainly not in that location you would think they could sort it for their premier competition.
5 Million for the winners, 2.5 for the losing finalist, 2 Million for the semi finalists, 1.5 Million for the quarter finalists and a million for each of the last 16 and Half a million for reaching the 4th round.
That is quite an increase on the current funding (see below) but I would also think they should tighten up on TV revenues. Limit the amount of games available to TV and increase the cost, if they don't pay then more fans will go to the games, especially if all lower teams are putting out their first teams.
There is also the idea of having the 3rd and 4th round and in the first few weeks of January before the PL has it's 3/4 week break. Keep the championship running (also increase crowds when the PL teams aren't on) and then the first week back it opens with the 5rd round matches. Have it as part of the agreement with the PL for their winter break that they need to give some prize money, or even have collective sponsorship like the Champions League has.
It has to be a better idea than instant promotion.
For interest: Current prize funding
Extra Preliminary Round winners (203) £750
Preliminary Round winners (167) £1,500
First Round Qualifying winners (116) £3,000
Second Round Qualifying winners (80) £4,500
Third Round Qualifying winners (40) £7,500
Fourth Round Qualifying winners (32) £12,500
First Round Proper winners (40) £18,000
Second Round Proper winners (20) £27,000
Third Round Proper winners (32) £67,500
Fourth Round Proper winners (16) £90,000
Fifth Round Proper winners (8) £180,000
Sixth Round Proper winners (4) £360,000
Semi Final winners (2) £900,000
Semi Final runners-up (2) £450,000
Final winners (1) £1,800,000
Final runners-up (1) £900,000
Sensiblade
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Easy one to win, if we took on the American system we would have to have 1.) the college system for our young players and 2.) franchises.
Sheffield at the very most would have one Franchise pay for in large by the city.
Which team do you think they would choose?
Rotherham!
Greasy Chip Butty
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Easy one to win, if we took on the American system we would have to have 1.) the college system for our young players and 2.) franchises.
Sheffield at the very most would have one Franchise pay for in large by the city.
Which team do you think they would choose?
Sheffield Eagles, readily named...
Silent Blade
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My lad has a trophy match at Aston. The kick off is at 11am. His team has played only one match in the last 6 weeks so I expect to get up, get dressed, have breakfast and then get a text from the manager saying that the match is off and then I will wish that I had stayed in bed longer!
Bladesman
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Agreed. :thumbup:
Thank fuck for that. Taking the little dog (aged 2) and last she needs to hear is your fucking potty mouth shouting at Paul Hart and Mick Halford all bastard afternoon.....
A chore it will be, taking more sweets than a peedo on the pull. Hopefully be another entertaining feast of football.....ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
shorehamview
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I do hope, and there's every likelihood that my hope will be misguided, that we can actually have a great game and give our cup opponents a good tonking. Every January I fel like this. See, told you I was misguided. So misguided is my hope that given the choice between an afternoon all cosy and warm or watching some shit football in the cold I opted for the latter, so I'll see you there.
happyhippy
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I'll be there with HH the youngers I & III. I reckon it's fair to say that the beers will be relatively chilled outside the Lion today.
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As a huge NHL fan, I can shed a little light on this for you :thumbup:
They have a draft system every year, and it's basically all the amatuers from college etc. that are eligible to play in the top league. Every team gets a drawn a position for the first pick (dependant on league position the previous season, teams who don't make the playoffs are entered into a lottery draw so to speak) which is why the bottom team the previous year usually gets to pick who they think is the hottest prospect out of them all. You then get the rights to that player, and can choose to offer him a contract once you are preparing your roster for the next season. So really, we couldn't see Gerrard or Rooney at Lane unless we were shit and picked them when they were 16/17 years old before they were signed to contracts
It's a complex system, but it's a very fair system. That's why you see alot of different teams winning things in the American Sports Leagues.
The only problem we'd have implementing it here, would be a complete wipeout of academies that clubs have built and completely changing the education system. America are well ahead of us in the development of young stars.
Anyway, I'd like to see a good cup run because I think it's our only real chance of winning some proper silverware and a place in Europe. Plus, it would bring in some much needed money for the club this season. I just hope if we do go on a cup run it wouldn't involve many replays, because with our small squad we could do without them this year.
I'm just hoping for an entertaining game of football for a change today.
If you want to be really helpful please can you provide each figure as a percentage of the average league attendance for every year.
If you've got a minute, like...
Since you ask and using AW's figures for home games only
80-81 142% - v Chesterfield (same level)
81-82 84% v Altrincham (lower level)
82-83 157% v Stoke (higher level)
83-84 134% v Birmingham (higher level)
84-85 no home game
85-86 65% v Fulham (same level)
86-87 96% v Brighton (same level)
87-88 87% v Maidstone (lower level)
88-89 94% v Mansfield (same level)
What that shows is that, where we played a team at the same or a lower level in the early stages of the cup, we tended to get attendances lower than our average (unless it was a local derby - see the Chesterfield game), whereas if we played a team at a higher level, we got crowds significantly higher.
When we played Stoke and Birmingham they were middling to poor top tier teams and our attendance v them were a good deal higher than our normal attendances. Nowadays if we are drawn against such team the attendances will be significantly lower (see the game v Man City in 07-08 - 15,000ish as opposed to an average attendance of 25,000ish)
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82-83 3rd division Home to Stoke 18,515
That was the gate at Stoke for the replay. The crowd for the 0-0 draw at home was even more out of line with our average gate that season - 23,329.
The Fulham crowd was a 20th century low for a United home game in the FA Cup.
That was the gate at Stoke for the replay. The crowd for the 0-0 draw at home was even more out of line with our average gate that season - 23,329.
The Fulham crowd was a 20th century low for a United home game in the FA Cup.
I remember that Fulham game as I was one of the hardy 7004. It was a Monday night on 13/1/86 (postponed from Saturday 4th) and it was a bloody freezing cold night. It was a very poor game between 2 poor teams - Fulham went down that season and we were in the midst of a league run that saw us lose 6 out of 8 - which we won 2-0 with 2 Morris goals.
I was also one of the equally hardy 6647 who attended the game on 17/3/87 v Palace - United's lowest post war league crowd. I think I should get a medal....
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