Credit to Wilder

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

And most of our members would pay to see it...

Dover not Richards

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[Pinchy]

One or two slightly harsh comments aimed at Robbie.....terrible start now a great recovery to put us within striking distance of the top six but Peterborough are no mugs and Scunny coming up let's keep behind the lads and see where we are after next five games. I am not convinced yet that we will rip this league up but let's see shall we.

The harsh comments were clearly aimed at the ever-present and deliberate knocking of his own club at every attention-seeking opportunity, rather than the immediate issue. As such, they were entirely justified.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Now THAT is fucking irrelevant....

Don't diss the power of voodoo hoodoo.

 

[GrayBlade]

The harsh comments were clearly aimed at the ever-present and deliberate knocking of his own club at every attention-seeking opportunity, rather than the immediate issue. As such, they were entirely justified.

I was beginning to wonder if this forum had a Len.

 

[Maidenhead]

Nope. I've been shouted down many times for suggesting that S O D may not be the messiah that some see him as.

I also don't remember getting a great deal of support in not wanting Speed appointed as an unproven inexperienced manager.

My choice would be between Chris Wilder and Micky Adams as they both have good experience of relative success working with lower league teams with no cash. They are used to being in the situation that our new manager will find himself in, whoever is appointed.

having said that, I will fully support whoever is appointed for as long as they are in the job because to do otherwise is a frustrating and futile exercise and whatever the shoe wavers think it makes no real difference.

OK I got Adams wrong but Wilder was my first choice.

If only Kev had listened to me in 2009 I wonder where we might be now

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The harsh comments were clearly aimed at the ever-present and deliberate knocking of his own club at every attention-seeking opportunity, rather than the immediate issue. As such, they were entirely justified.

This credit to Wilder business . Before I get shot down , credit should also go to Kevin McCabe and the board for keeping there council and a very low profile . Action more than words . Pulling in the same direction in seems.

Supporters perhaps for once should follow lead .

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[oldblade]

My criticism was based on how the signings were going. I wasn't calling for his head after 4 games. Some were. I was worried though.

I'm amused how the following results:

2-3 win against AFC Wimbledon (a dire team just promoted) currently 21st in the league
1-2 win against Gillingham (with a 91st minute penalty due to a stupid handball) currently 10th in the league
2-1 win against Oxford (poor team just promoted) currently 11th in the league

Mean that we have a great manager.

He's done really well to quickly turn things around. Let's give it a bit longer before giving him the keys to the city shall we?

When we played Gillingham they were somewhat higher than 10th and they are such a poor side that yesterday the team currently in 3rd failed to to beat them.

Yes, it is too early to get too excited, but after three wins on the bounce (two of which were turnarounds - something we hadn't done for over a year!) I think your first post on the thread was uncalled for.

 

[Pinchy]

OK I got Adams wrong but Wilder was my first choice.

If only Kev had listened to me in 2009 I wonder where we might be now

I'm not sure Tufty was ready at that point. SoD would have been the right choice in my view. Many fans thought he would need too long to turn it around, though and called for a Quickfix. By Pele, they got one...

 

[Lane Ender]

I'm not sure Tufty was ready at that point. SoD would have been the right choice in my view. Many fans thought he would need too long to turn it around, though and called for a Quickfix. By Pele, they got one...

O,Driscoll oh no no no.

 

[Tyler Durden]

O,Driscoll oh no no no.

Having O'Dismal at the helm would be fucking unbearable. All those mass-suicides whenever he spoke on the radio. Team tapping backward into oblivion every game. He is however pretty good at managing Doncaster Rovers in 2005.

 

[alcoblade]

I was beginning to wonder if this forum had a Len.

Did you notice a "jeez" in a previous post? I have my suspicions too.

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[Fulwood Blade]

Credit to CW and AK indeed. They appear to have seen the problems quickly and acted on them.

We can't ask much more of 3 wins on the bounce.

The defence has been completely altered from pre-season and early season - more work needed but we are heading in the right direction.

Trouble is - and here is where Robbie needs defending - we could easily fuck it up v Peterboro - we need to let the management work on what we now have and tighten up in various areas.

Goals to achieve In coming weeks:

1) clean sheets
2) get Fleck into the team (more creativity)
3) Get Lavery fit and in the team to put pressure on the forwards.

FFS - for me to be looking at up and coming away games - things have to be looking up

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[Alfreton14Blade]

Chris Wilder is“someone who is very aggressive,” Chris Basham said. “He is not scared to tell anyone in the dressing room that they are not pulling their weight. It was something we needed."

Aye, it bloody well was, Bash! (As well as the mass clear-out & the targetted recruitment.)

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...en-t-mess-with-manager-chris-wilder-1-8054221

 

[itsinyerblood]

Credit to CW and AK indeed. They appear to have seen the problems quickly and acted on them.

We can't ask much more of 3 wins on the bounce.

The defence has been completely altered from pre-season and early season - more work needed but we are heading in the right direction.

Trouble is - and here is where Robbie needs defending - we could easily fuck it up v Peterboro - we need to let the management work on what we now have and tighten up in various areas.

Goals to achieve In coming weeks:

1) clean sheets
2) get Fleck into the team (more creativity)
3) Get Lavery fit and in the team to put pressure on the forwards.

FFS - for me to be looking at up and coming away games - things have to be looking up

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"We can't ask much more of 3 wins on the bounce"..........oh yes we can Lord Fulwood, we can expect to see a lengthy unbeaten run that takes us up this division until we're firing on all systems. Being grateful for small mercies shouldn't be main expectation, we should recognise that after far too long we're finally in with a shout of waving goodbye to this poxy division.

There's no arrogance or mistaken hope in what I write. Each team we face will test us, and sometimes we'll be found wanting, but I do believe that we now have a better standard of player than we've had for many a year, and that's the key to my view that Wilder and Knill are assembling a squad equipped to meet the demands of this division as well as the one above. Of course recruitment will continue, it has to if we're to improve and compete at a level we wish to be part of. Strengthening our defence and midfield are our priorities, but I do sense that Wilder needs little advice from the fans, he'll know exactly who we need if his aims are to be delivered. UTB

 

[GrayBlade]

Did you notice a "jeez" in a previous post? I have my suspicions too.

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I'll keep a watch out for any 'Mebbies'

 

[Fulwood Blade]

"We can't ask much more of 3 wins on the bounce"..........oh yes we can Lord Fulwood, we can expect to see a lengthy unbeaten run that takes us up this division until we're firing on all systems. Being grateful for small mercies shouldn't be main expectation, we should recognise that after far too long we're finally in with a shout of waving goodbye to this poxy division.

There's no arrogance or mistaken hope in what I write. Each team we face will test us, and sometimes we'll be found wanting, but I do believe that we now have a better standard of player than we've had for many a year, and that's the key to my view that Wilder and Knill are assembling a squad equipped to meet the demands of this division as well as the one above. Of course recruitment will continue, it has to if we're to improve and compete at a level we wish to be part of. Strengthening our defence and midfield are our priorities, but I do sense that Wilder needs little advice from the fans, he'll know exactly who we need if his aims are to be delivered. UTB

Thanks for elevating me to a Lord - although I am led to believe you can choose your own name as a lord - it would probably have Currie, Sheffield United or Bramall Lane somewhere in the title !

What I should have written was we couldn't ask for more than 3 wins after the disastrous start we made.

Whilst critical of two particular signings, the recent ones, plus the hard choices CW has made all over the team in personnel and formations, we are now looking a lot better.

As for a lengthy run - we would all take that - but a lengthy run will only come from a fully functioning defence which allows the midfield to push further up the field and get bodies in the box.

We should all feel much better on our side of the city - I certainly do.

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[blade too long]

Maybe wishful thinking but I feel that Wilder could in time be the next John Harris and that's the biggest compliment I can give, he seems to understand the club and its fans

Id settle for a Dave Bassett clone

 

[itsinyerblood]

Thanks for elevating me to a Lord - although I am led to believe you can choose your own name as a lord - it would probably have Currie, Sheffield United or Bramall Lane somewhere in the title !

What I should have written was we couldn't ask for more than 3 wins after the disastrous start we made.

Whilst critical of two particular signings, the recent ones, plus the hard choices CW has made all over the team in personnel and formations, we are now looking a lot better.

As for a lengthy run - we would all take that - but a lengthy run will only come from a fully functioning defence which allows the midfield to push further up the field and get bodies in the box.

We should all feel much better on our side of the city - I certainly do.

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I was, of course, being mildly flippant, and of course I appreciated the context of your post. Completely agree, we need a mean-spirited defence who take no prisoners, but would anyone doubt Wilder's resolve to create such a beast? Not I or you I suggest.

As for signings, the ratio of players in will inevitably result in someone not becoming a regular first-team player. It happens at all teams, so I'm not particularly disappointed with this. Take Clarke for example, not hugely impressive so far. I wonder if it's crossed Wilder's mind to experiment with Clarke in a central defensive role? I know that might sound a bit far-fetched, but I recall Dion Dublin, late in his career, assuming defensive duties and doing quite well. It's probably a nonsense and shouldn't be entertained, but stranger things have happened. If it worked it'd save a fee too.

 

[rompodebailey]

I was, of course, being mildly flippant, and of course I appreciated the context of your post. Completely agree, we need a mean-spirited defence who take no prisoners, but would anyone doubt Wilder's resolve to create such a beast? Not I or you I suggest.

As for signings, the ratio of players in will inevitably result in someone not becoming a regular first-team player. It happens at all teams, so I'm not particularly disappointed with this. Take Clarke for example, not hugely impressive so far. I wonder if it's crossed Wilder's mind to experiment with Clarke in a central defensive role? I know that might sound a bit far-fetched, but I recall Dion Dublin, late in his career, assuming defensive duties and doing quite well. It's probably a nonsense and shouldn't be entertained, but stranger things have happened. If it worked it'd save a fee too.

I think Dublin started his footballing life as a defender at Cambridge, and Beck moved him forward chasing a game. similar to Chris Sutton, and Warhurst. I may be wrong!

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think Dublin started his footballing life as a defender at Cambridge, and Beck moved him forward chasing a game.

Cheers for that rompo. I tend to have more and more senior moments these days so thanks for the clarity.

The thing is, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a defender/forward might be someone who could convert from their current position and add the opposing skill-set to their existing talents. I can certainly imagine a seasoned forward adopting the role of centre-half and using many years of guile to their advantage.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I was, of course, being mildly flippant, and of course I appreciated the context of your post. Completely agree, we need a mean-spirited defence who take no prisoners, but would anyone doubt Wilder's resolve to create such a beast? Not I or you I suggest.

As for signings, the ratio of players in will inevitably result in someone not becoming a regular first-team player. It happens at all teams, so I'm not particularly disappointed with this. Take Clarke for example, not hugely impressive so far. I wonder if it's crossed Wilder's mind to experiment with Clarke in a central defensive role? I know that might sound a bit far-fetched, but I recall Dion Dublin, late in his career, assuming defensive duties and doing quite well. It's probably a nonsense and shouldn't be entertained, but stranger things have happened. If it worked it'd save a fee too.

I've decided - Lord Bramall of Sheffield - got a nice ring to it - can you have a word with Lord Bos - he's obviously ITK !

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[SwissBlade]

Just because you are going to be proved wrong and Wilder will be good for us don't make yourself look silly with posts like that a couple of hours after a good away win.

Exactly, not even 10 games in yet and the signs are apparently there that we're starting to put things together.

Think it's only going to improve, still need to concede fewer goals, but we'll get there

 

[TC's Magic Boots]

Of course it's early days and we know improvements are still needed in order to finally get out of this division. But compared to the first 4 games it's like having a different team out there. The players are looking like they now have an understanding of how CW wants them to play and have probably woken up to the demands of the supporters at this club. The job now is to continue improving so that we can push on and get involved at the right end of the table.

 

[Pinchy]

Id settle for a Dave Bassett clone

In this century? You're mad.

 

[sheffielder]

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't give Wilder after the start we had. It's not like he kept everything the same and it all changed. He made some big changes.

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

I'd like to add one angle to this debate:

The reason Oxford are 11th, Gillingham 10th and Wimbledon 21st is down to us beating them.

Had they turned us over, Oxford would be joint second. Had they turned us over, Gillingham would be outright second. Wimbledon would be joint 17th.

Who'd you think you are? Coming in here with your facts and logic. Not on this forum!

 

[The Crab]

Who'd you think you are? Coming in here with your facts and logic. Not on this forum!

A few hundred years ago they'd have been burnt at the stake

 

[grafikhaus]

This credit to Wilder business . Before I get shot down , credit should also go to Kevin McCabe and the board for keeping there council and a very low profile . Action more than words . Pulling in the same direction in seems.

Supporters perhaps for once should follow lead .

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I'd agree (although some who are convinced that KMcC is the antichrist wouldn't.)

After fully supporting Clough and Adkins (who clearly thought a blunderbuss approach to recruitment would eventually pay off), McCabe could have been forgiven for holding on to the purse strings with Wilder. Instead, he's allowed a rapid but structured reconstruction of the over-large squad he inherited and we may be beginning to see the results. Long way to go, but I'm looking forward to attending matches again - something I certainly wasn't under Adkins or in Clough's second season.

 

[Yewsman]

"We can't ask much more of 3 wins on the bounce"..........oh yes we can Lord Fulwood, we can expect to see a lengthy unbeaten run that takes us up this division until we're firing on all systems. Being grateful for small mercies shouldn't be main expectation, we should recognise that after far too long we're finally in with a shout of waving goodbye to this poxy division.

There's no arrogance or mistaken hope in what I write. Each team we face will test us, and sometimes we'll be found wanting, but I do believe that we now have a better standard of player than we've had for many a year, and that's the key to my view that Wilder and Knill are assembling a squad equipped to meet the demands of this division as well as the one above. Of course recruitment will continue, it has to if we're to improve and compete at a level we wish to be part of. Strengthening our defence and midfield are our priorities, but I do sense that Wilder needs little advice from the fans, he'll know exactly who we need if his aims are to be delivered. UTB

So impressed with CW so far. I know it's early days but look what he has done already:

1. Recruited 4 CHs. The team has been crying out for this since Harry left. Under Clough we had none (Collins not playing) and under Adkins one (Edgar who was away on international duty/injured half the time) plus Collins who wasn't up to it and an after thought halfway through the season in Baptistery. Not only that but they (or at least EEL) seem to have the physical muscle we have lacked.
2. Shipped out all the dross whose contracts had expired.
3. Shipped out the permanently injured rubbish
4. Paid off Hammond
5. Shipped out Brayford (albeit only on loan) who for whatever reason was not performing but whose wage was a massive drain. His wages now paying other players.
6. Identified quickly that sadly Long was not up to the job and so brought in Moore (who so far seems to be)
7. Got players who last season were under performing to buy in - Coutts and Freeman to name but 2
8. Seems to have got other players playing at their best
9. Played players in their best positions - Bash and Done. Done was a useless wing back but can be a 20 goal striker.
10. Seems by and large to have recruited good players for the L1 job- though the jury may be out on some eg Hussey
11. Knows what system he wants to play and seems to be able to communicate it to the players
12. Understands the club and supporters and is generating a dressing room that pulls together and is proud to play for the club. The team seems to have character already. People will say we've only beaten Gillingham and Wimbledon away but those were the sort of games we should have won last season but didn't.
13. Has sold Adams and DCL but this money has been used to build a team to get us out of L1 now not to wait for 3 seasons for those players to become regular first teamers. It's part of his job to work within a budget.

Early days but so much progress in a short time. There will be problems and set backs but I just get the feeling he will tackle and solve those as he has the mess he inherited when he came in.
Credit CW and also AK!

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[Chali 2na]

I think Wilder can be proud of the work done so far.

I'm just so pleased to see the back of McCevely, Hammond, Cuvelier, Flynn and Baxter. Nothing against them as people (well, except maybe Hammond) but they were all perennial failures.