COVID Season Ticket

[Freethinker]

I think this thread clearly demonstrates that Anti Vaxxers (as you call them) are not the new lepers, they are the new choosers. And, as other people & businesses make their own choices, those who choose to not have the Vaccine will just have to find a route through. Aren't you looking to blame others for the choice you make? Good S24SU username btw.

No phil I'm not blaming anyone for my choices just asking respect same as I respect others

 

[Freethinker]

I think this thread clearly demonstrates that Anti Vaxxers (as you call them) are not the new lepers, they are the new choosers. And, as other people & businesses make their own choices, those who choose to not have the Vaccine will just have to find a route through. Aren't you looking to blame others for the choice you make? Good S24SU username btw.

Sorry I don't call us anti vaxxers just picking up on previous posts time will tell if anyone is backing the winner or not

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

No phil I'm not blaming anyone for my choices just asking respect same as I respect others

Flipping Heck. I'll be specific. I think in today's World it is quite understandable for Airlines to decide for business model reasons to only accept passengers who have a Covid Pass. Indeed, in due course, I myself would specifically choose to fly with that airline. Are you saying the airline are discriminating against you (as a non vaxxer)?
If yes, it's your choice.....

 

[Freethinker]

Flipping Heck. I'll be specific. I think in today's World it is quite understandable for Airlines to decide for business model reasons to only accept passengers who have a Covid Pass. Indeed, in due course, I myself would specifically choose to fly with that airline. Are you saying the airline are discriminating against you (as a non vaxxer)?
If yes, it's your choice.....

Hahaha no same as you I would choose to fly with an airline who who doesn't require a covid passport

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Hahaha no same as you I would choose to fly with an airline who who doesn't require a covid passport

I've edited out this post as I've realised I may have misunderstood & I don't want to prolong - apologies

 

[Ted Danson]

Restaurants and Pubs and even Airlines that allow all in, rather than only allowing those with a vaccination certificate in, will lose far more custom because a good proportions of the 80% who have had a vaccine will probably bypass those businesses...by exercising their free choice.

We have no idea of knowing until it happens but I think completely the opposite. I think the amount of people who will only choose the vaccines only business will actually be tiny especially if it means making a change from their regular pubs or suppliers and thats before we bring price into the equation.

Heres a real world example with hypothetical vaccine rules applied

Ryanair flights from Manchester to Dublin are £33 and allow anyone to fly
Aer Lingus are £74 and only allow the vaccinated

Do you really think Aer Lingus will get loads of Ryanairs customers?

Then take into account the fact that people whove had the vaccine should be immune to the virus, why would someone whos immune to the virus pay an extra £41 to sit with other immune people when they cant catch the virus anyway.

Similarly with pubs:

Pub A serves a fine selection of real ales and decent lagers and allows anyone in
Pub B only servers shit flat Carling to the vaccinated

If Id had a vaccine there would be no way Id be drinking the Carling as I could just go in the other pub and drink good drinks with people who may or may not have a virus that I was immune to anyway.

So basically the price and the quality of the products on offer would be a much bigger driver in making me decide where to go to drink or shop or fly.

You could argue that the vaccine only places could then compete on price and quality too but then they have the extra overheads of staff training, wasting time and man power checking peoples certs etc so probably wouldn't be able to compete on price as they would have bigger overheads

 

[Ted Danson]

Seems like you don’t need to worry, then. In any case, I think enough will have the vaccine for the virus to cease to be a major issue.
As a matter of interest, and it is an unfair question, how would you have reacted as a parent in the 1950s during the polio outbreak? Would you have wanted your kids vaccinated?

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

 

[metalblade]

Immortal?

Sheep?

Will you be able to find insurance when travelling abroad?

If not I don't travel simple as that, but like over 50 insurance all companies now sell it with a guarantee of no health questions so if one airline will not take you without proof of vaccination another will pop up to sell holidays with no health questions. People need to think for themselves and stop being Sheeple.

 

[alcoblade]

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

I'll take the vaccine because I don't fear it, and I think it's a social responsibility. However, I agree with your last statement in terms of exaggerated risks. In years to come we'll look back and regret what we've done.

The pay freezes have started, along with the calls for everyone else (but me) to suffer the pain.

 

[sitwell]

Hopefully he'll keep protected and sounds like the vaccine would be good for him I don't dispute people having it if they feel like they need it

So maidenheads son can be your guinea pig ,is that right ?

 

[Freethinker]

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

Yes if you delve deep enough some of the major players in the rush for a vaccine have been fined millions of dollars for various misconceptions and failures and untruths

 

[sitwell]

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

For someone with no agenda and not wanting persuade people against vaccination you dont half post a lot ,and just about exclusively on this thread.

 

[Freethinker]

So maidenheads son can be your guinea pig ,is that right ?

Not at all it's his choice which is supposedly what the debates about

 

[Ted Danson]

For someone with no agenda and not wanting persuade people against vaccination you dont half post a lot ,and just about exclusively on this thread.

What can I say, its the subject of the day, hard to escape it at the mo and I like to point out flaws in peoples arguments which this thread is full of

EDIT: also, post alot? Says the man with 17.5K posts

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Facts and figures projected numbers just a few to mention

Can you show those to be deliberate misinformation? They can be presented in different ways, the small print is important (does it say ‘died with COVID’ or ‘died of COVID?), and other statistics may be excluded. If by ‘projected numbers’ you are referring to predictions for the future, then of course they are (educated?) guesses, not facts.

 

[Freethinker]

Can you show those to be deliberate misinformation? They can be presented in different ways, the small print is important (does it say ‘died with COVID’ or ‘died of COVID?), and other statistics may be excluded. If by ‘projected numbers’ you are referring to predictions for the future, then of course they are (educated?) guesses, not facts.

I can't prove that it's deliberate but it's my belief that it is intended to present information to suit the agenda and mislead you and me

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

I don’t see how any vaccine can be tested for long-term effects without taking it long-term. The polio vaccine has been standard for just over 60 years, so there may be still long-term effects we don’t know about yet. I would much rather chance the vaccine than COVID. As I keep saying, the introduction of clean drinking water and vaccines have made our lives much better than those of any of our ancestors. That was probably an essay title for the old General Studies A-Level.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I can't prove that it's deliberate but it's my belief that it is intended to present information to suit the agenda and mislead you and me

All information is presented to suit an agenda. The question is whether the intention is for good or ill. I dislike the current government. I doubt their agenda is to try to kill us all; I guess it has been mainly to stop us realising just how clueless they are (and, to be fair, though I don’t think they deserve it, they have come up against a difficult situation).

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

As season tickets haven’t been mentioned for several pages, is it time for us to leave our fellow-Blades in peace and move over to the Coronavirus thread in General Chat?

 

[Ted Danson]

I don’t see how any vaccine can be tested for long-term effects without taking it long-term. The polio vaccine has been standard for just over 60 years, so there may be still long-term effects we don’t know about yet. I would much rather chance the vaccine than COVID. As I keep saying, the introduction of clean drinking water and vaccines have made our lives much better than those of any of our ancestors. That was probably an essay title for the old General Studies A-Level.

It cant until people have had it for several years, thats why normally vaccines take decades to make and fully test. If they were just giving this vacccine to a few hundred or thousand it wouldn't be that big a deal but to try to give it to the entire population of the world strikes me as insane.

Also read something interesting about the possibility of unforeseen problems occurring if you give these RNA vaccines to people who've already had the virus. It said it could cause severe issues to occur in the immune system as the body tries to fight itself. Apparently they have done no testing on people whove had Covid.

 

[metalblade]

Seems to be a hell of a price to pay for a virus that is fatal to less the 1% who contract it. My lads were born just after the new MMR vaccine came out and young healthy kids were suddenly turning into brain damaged cabbages we chose not to have them vaccinated against illnesses that only kill a very very small percentage of those that contract them. 40 years later if I had kids now would I vaccinate the against MMR ? You bet I would. 6 months at best testing on is it around 43,000 is a very small sample size to say something is safe, I wonder if it was tested on any pregnant ladies we wouldn't want another thalidomide would we.

 

[Blade.com]

Will you be able to find insurance when travelling abroad?

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

Dont know enough about it mate so cant comment, I dont know how long they took to make it, what tests they did, anything about the severity or prevalence of Polio etc.

Im for Vaccines, just not one thats not been tested properly and no matter how much people tell me it is tested I just don't agree until someones had the vaccine for a couple of years and we can see if any long term side effects have occurred. History is littered with cases of vaccines and other medical treatments causing life changing side effects and Im surprised so many people are willing to completely ignore that and have the vaccine.

I also feel that the dangers of Covid are exaggerated and so not worth the risk of trying experimental vaccines. If it was killing many more people maybe Id weight up the risk differently.

If it was killing more people. Isn't 1.5 million enough for you owd lad and still killing at alarming rates.
As for pubs and shops vetting vaccination think you may have to widen your search, we could be looking at crossing boarders and oceans. Just because we are turning into a "woke" country does mean other countries have to pander to the "its my right brigade". No vaccine, piss off.

 

[Robby Blade]

Just imagine if it’s mandatory to have a COVID “passport” as a prerequisite to getting your season ticket back.

6 months ago people were taking of banning 65 plus supporters from going out let alone to a game.

Now likelihood is the silver foxes will be first back int ground as we get vaccine first

Aye, fuck the young uns. They were quick to want us pensioners to die off a few months ago. Well we're still here and we'll be first back t Lane while you're still trying to get shit dodgy streams.

 

[knowsnowt]

So maidenheads son can be your guinea pig ,is that right ?

He has the choice to shield, which means he has to forfeit certain things. Is that an ideal way to live? Nope. But that shouldn't affect my rights to live the way I choose either. I may forfeit certain things due to it. Is that ideal for me? Nope.

 

[Freethinker]

As season tickets haven’t been mentioned for several pages, is it time for us to leave our fellow-Blades in peace and move over to the Coronavirus thread in General Chat?

Probably right mate

 

[sitwell]

So after a million and a half deaths worldwide or 55k in the UK and god knows how many very ill ,we're not all in this together ,we are all in it for ourselves ,survival of the fittest.

 

[Freethinker]

If it was killing more people. Isn't 1.5 million enough for you owd lad and still killing at alarming rates.
As for pubs and shops vetting vaccination think you may have to widen your search, we could be looking at crossing boarders and oceans. Just because we are turning into a "woke" country does mean other countries have to pander to the "its my right brigade". No vaccine, piss off.

Same to you

 

[knowsnowt]

So after a million and a half deaths worldwide or 55k in the UK and god knows how many very ill ,we're not all in this together ,we are all in it for ourselves ,survival of the fittest.

You could put it that way, but it's disingenuous to do so and you know it.
Plus I don't believe those figures for one moment.. We all know they aren't true.
Edit: I'm in the high risk group btw due to copd.

 

[bromtom]

Are you aware some people are exempt?

Yeah but I know the people in my local shop and they aren't, they're just thick.

 

[alcoblade]

If it was killing more people. Isn't 1.5 million enough for you owd lad and still killing at alarming rates.
As for pubs and shops vetting vaccination think you may have to widen your search, we could be looking at crossing boarders and oceans. Just because we are turning into a "woke" country does mean other countries have to pander to the "its my right brigade". No vaccine, piss off.

In terms of killing people - there’s an unspoken reality that a death of someone who was going to die within a year is nothing like as serious as the death of someone in their prime.

The average age of a COVID death is 84.