Coutts

[SHOREHAMST.com]

Has he played as part of the same system he thrived in before his injury? No. Suggestions he isn’t the same player are unjust when he’s being played out wide or somewhere else because of other players.

That system needs to be given a chance before it can be claimed he’s not yet ready.

It also needs to be given a chance to get our season back on track. After all, it topped the league the last time we played it.

Coutts - Fleck
—— Duffy ——

 

[JohnDenver]

I expect he’ll start a game over Christmas. But unless Norwood misses a few games I can’t see him getting the run he needs.

 

[SwissBlade]

Has he played as part of the same system he thrived in before his injury? No. Suggestions he isn’t the same player are unjust when he’s being played out wide or somewhere else because of other players.

That system needs to be given a chance before it can be claimed he’s not yet ready.

It also needs to be given a chance to get our season back on track. After all, it topped the league the last time we played it.

Coutts - Fleck
—— Duffy ——

Why have you dropped the best player of the 5 midfielders that we have to accommodate a player still working his way back.

I'd drop Fleck and Duffy before Norwood on current form

 

[dazzlingblade]

Why have you dropped the best player of the 5 midfielders that we have to accommodate a player still working his way back.

I'd drop Fleck and Duffy before Norwood on current form

yep totally agree, if he is going to get a game for me at the moment it has to be in place of fleck

 

[nopigfansintown]

The only player that he could displace is Norwood; that has been made clear by Wilder.There is no guarantee that he'll ever be the same player, or anything close unfortunately. It's a big six months for him with his contract up at the end of the season.

 

[Booker4]

Norwood is our best player in my view. He gives the ball away occasionally and more so than what Coutts does, but he creates so much with his range of passing and his set pieces have created several goals too. As much as we all love Coutts, he is no longer first choice in the current midfield. As others have said Fleck would be the most likely to be dropped for Coutts but Fleck is still worth having in the team for what he offers. He might have been a tad quieter of late but he is able to drift through the midfield and create space for himself ad others, and no one else does that as well as him.

 

[FTPE]

We were top when he played last season, I completely get that.
Norwood is probably our best Midfielder though, if anyone I would be dropping Fleck for a Coutts return- and I'm a huge Fleck fan.

 

[mancunianblade]

Fleck has been all but present for 2 full seasons, but do I recall him getting dropped for a period at the beginning of the title winning season?

On a side not are 30 day loans still a thing?be good for Coutts to get some game time.

 

[FTPE]

Head to head I think Norwood is better at everthing that Coutts does.

Coutts played when Duffy, Clarke and Fleck were at their best don't forget.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I don't see why he has to return as this all-conquering saviour. It's enough for him to be a good, integral part of the team, swapping out with Norwood or a.n.other. He'll almost certainly be offered another contract.

 

[BushBlade]

Fleck has been all but present for 2 full seasons, but do I recall him getting dropped for a period at the beginning of the title winning season?

On a side not are 30 day loans still a thing?be good for Coutts to get some game time.

I think he was injured. Basham played in his place, if I remember correctly.

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Head to head I think Norwood is better at everthing that Coutts does.

Coutts played when Duffy, Clarke and Fleck were at their best don't forget.

and don't you think that Coutts may just possibly have been why they were at their best.

 

[bromtom]

We need a Couttsy cup run. A few 90s and have him back to speed for a final push.

 

[shrubbery]

Don’t think that this is the area of the pitch that is giving us headaches to be honest!

 

[FTPE]

and don't you think that Coutts may just possibly have been why they were at their best.

I saw that reply coming... but no, as good as Coutts is there's no reason to be amazing when playing along side of him then be bang average at the side of Ollie.

 

[LenTednTony]

With the best will in the world, Couttsy is not a Fleck or Duffy type of player. He is a Norwood type of player therefore, to show his best, it HAS to be in place of Norwood. On current form that is unlikely to happen unless CW/ AK feel it would benefit Norwood/SUFC . Don’t be concerned though because I firmly believe he will have his contract renewed.
UTB FTP

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Norwood is different gravy - but would still like to see Coutts sitting behind Norwood and Fleck in certain games.

The issue with McG at the moment is we are in effect playing 3-4-2-1 - and with Billy up top on his own when McG drops deep (often) which isn't Billy's game to be left up top on his own.

Sure it would mean both Duffy and McG sitting out, but we have to solve this problem of dominating possession and not putting teams to bed.

Something MUST be done to solve this problem. We dipped out last season due to not having decent squad players - we need to up the quality and Norwood IS quality as is Coutts IF he gets fit.

UTB

 

[FTPE]

Here is how our midfield improves.

- Duffy releases the ball earlier sometimes.
- Freeman finds his form
- Fleck regains his form
- We get a better partner up top for Billy in January.

Norwood will look like a world beater then.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Real conundrum for me this.

Coutts needs pitch time.

Norwood has more than proved his worth.

I accept it is difficult to accommodate both.

An Ollie red card might be the only route back in for PC as things stand !!!

UTB

 

[Bladesman]

Coutts probably needs a game in the cup and some time towards the end of league matches.

I don't think throwing Norwood out is the answer.

 

[FTPE]

Basically, Coutts-Norwood debate is a good problem to have.
The fact nobody is pushing for Duffy and Flecks position is the main issue.

I'm not saying Duffy isn't trying but Woodburn not pressing for a starting role has probably hampered some of his performances.

 

[Ricky]

The best way for Coutts to come back would be in place of Norwood, but Norwood could have 10 stinkers in a row and Wilder still wouldn't drop him. Realistically the most likely way is to play him and Norwood deep with Fleck or Duffy ahead of them.

Whatever, Coutts won't get back to his best without playing and we need to get him on the pitch sooner rather than later if we want him to be any sort of influence this season.

Head to head I think Norwood is better at everthing that Coutts does.

Coutts played when Duffy, Clarke and Fleck were at their best don't forget.

Everything. Really? Retaining possession? Not getting tackled? Making the correct choices? Not giving the ball away in dangerous areas? Running into the space when it's there?

Coutts is better than Norwood in a number of ways. The pre injury Coutts was better than Norwood, or at least a better fit in this team and system.

Norwood's not a better player than Fleck either. Fleck's indifferent form shouldn't cloud judgement on that. He's a true all rounder and the best player we have. Getting him back to his best could be a huge factor for us and Wilder has to think about how to do that.

 

[Iceybabey]

Norwood is our best player in my view. He gives the ball away occasionally and more so than what Coutts does, but he creates so much with his range of passing and his set pieces have created several goals too. As much as we all love Coutts, he is no longer first choice in the current midfield. As others have said Fleck would be the most likely to be dropped for Coutts but Fleck is still worth having in the team for what he offers. He might have been a tad quieter of late but he is able to drift through the midfield and create space for himself ad others, and no one else does that as well as him.

De Bruyne's stats show he often gives the ball away but he admits it's part and parcel of his play as someone who gets on the ball a lot to create and keep things ticking.

 

[Come from away]

After such a serious injury it will take Coutts a long time to regain the confidence to play freely, the broken leg will be in his mind for quite a while - perhaps nearer the end of season we might start to see the 'old' Coutts.

 

[mancunianblade]

I think he was injured. Basham played in his place, if I remember correctly.

Just looked came off at half time against Southend along with Done then was benched for 6 games before being brought back in for the Scunthorpe game I think.

We had EEL playing Right CB! and Basham CM!!

 

[Bill Johnson]

I hope and expect Coutts to start against Barnet.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Would love to see the stats and pitch maps, but to my naked eye, Norwood always seems to pick the ball up deep to start moves but never really pushes on. Whereas Coutts used to start deep but follow the pattern of play as the ball moved up the pitch.

I personally think we don't have enough good players to be leaving one on the bench every week and hope Tufty has a plan up his sleeve. I'd imagine something similar to the Brentford formation but with Coutts for Lundstram and AN Other as the lone No 9 with pace who has enough movement to be an outlet....

 

[FTPE]

The best way for Coutts to come back would be in place of Norwood, but Norwood could have 10 stinkers in a row and Wilder still wouldn't drop him. Realistically the most likely way is to play him and Norwood deep with Fleck or Duffy ahead of them.

Whatever, Coutts won't get back to his best without playing and we need to get him on the pitch sooner rather than later if we want him to be any sort of influence this season.




Everything. Really? Retaining possession? Not getting tackled? Making the correct choices? Not giving the ball away in dangerous areas? Running into the space when it's there?

Coutts is better than Norwood in a number of ways. The pre injury Coutts was better than Norwood, or at least a better fit in this team and system.

Norwood's not a better player than Fleck either. Fleck's indifferent form shouldn't cloud judgement on that. He's a true all rounder and the best player we have. Getting him back to his best could be a huge factor for us and Wilder has to think about how to do that.

Ok he doesn't keep possesion as well but he attempts more positive forward passes.

 

[Harry's Game]

Coutts thread.

= let’s slag Norwood off.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

yep totally agree, if he is going to get a game for me at the moment it has to be in place of fleck

Different type of player altogether though. Fleck tackles people. Coutts couldn’t tackle a fish supper, even when he’s 100% fit.

Coutts doesn’t look anywhere near fit enough to me. He looked positively lame last match he played. Couldn’t even run.

Give him more time to recover and play him in parts of games where appropriate. But if he doesn’t look like getting back to how he was soon, trade him off in Jan and put that towards a striker.

(Or render him darn for cat meat).