Coutts

[Bladepicker]

Someone can't count the months.

He played from February through to the beginning of May - 3 and a tiny bit months. He then was injured until late September - no way have you 'watched him for 7 months'

 

[Barney]

He played from February through to the beginning of May - 3 and a tiny bit months. He then was injured until late September - no way have you 'watched him for 7 months'

It's a long enough time frame to make a judgment on a player. A lot longer than a few games he's meant to have miraculously upgraded his ability. Let's wait and see if his form continues for the next few months, then we can start making claims about whether or not he's as good as the OP dramatises.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Barney - why don't you quit while you are behind?

 

[sitwell]

Some of us saw a player last season but were disagreed with by many on here. He clearly had the ability I thought ,much more than Baxter who relies on good fortune rather than vision with his passing unlike Coutts. It was obviously a long road from recovery for him and he didn't influence games due to this. My worry was that he would get injured again but always thought he was a footballer . I hope he carries it forward and Adkins doesn't mess about playing him out position

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Fans are to easily wooed, yeah he can play the tip tap passes with Brayford all game but guess what it, got us no where.
While he's not the problem atm I'm not seeing him as a life safer either.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Some of us saw a player last season but were disagreed with by many on here. He clearly had the ability I thought ,much more than Baxter who relies on good fortune rather than vision with his passing unlike Coutts. It was obviously a long road from recovery for him and he didn't influence games due to this. My worry was that he would get injured again but always thought he was a footballer . I hope he carries it forward and Adkins doesn't mess about playing him out position

He dislocated his knee, which is a horrific injury. He was a top Championship player before that, even if he doesn't get back fully to what he was, he still has the ability to stand out at this level. Last season he was still clearly a long way from fitness, but as you say, looked a real player. The transformation since has ben remarkable, our best midfielder.

 

[TonyAgana]

I said last season he just wasn't ready - playing him from August to Christmas in a push to get him match-fit would've been acceptable but to play him every minute of every game in the run-up to the play-offs, when he was so clearly "off the pace", was desperate stuff from Clough and, in my mind, wasn't right. We know Clough was a stubborn chap and it was infuriating but given his progression this season, it's a shame Clough didn't see the fruits.

In contrast, Clough's faith in Coutts was based on faith that he'd recover from his injury and get better with time. Adkins' faith in Hammond seems baseless given his age (and temperament).

 

[Trigger Blade]

Again. No he hasn't.

He was our best player at Barnsley and Swindon last season when he wasn't 100 per cent fit and always showed a great first touch and football brain. And you have not seen him for around 50 per cent of his time here. So how can you make a comment on his performances above, when you haven't seen them?

Not sure if you mean the play off game at Swindon (where I felt he was pivotal in turning it round from 3-0 down), but that one and Barnsley away are exactly the two games that came to mind where I thought he was outstanding. Without his injury, he'd be at a much higher level than L1.

Some of us saw a player last season but were disagreed with by many on here. He clearly had the ability

I can understand why people didn't rate him last season, based on some of his early (unfit) performances. You'd have to have very little understanding of football, or not be quite the full shilling, to continue to argue that he's not up to much.

 

[Barney]

Fans are to easily wooed,

And it's becoming more evident the longer we're in the third division. Watching poor quality for a long time goes a way to clouding judgements and overreacting to form fluctuations. The OP is a perfect example. He might have had a good few games, no doubting that. But it's far too dramatic a reaction to be making some of the claims in the OP.

 

[PeteBlade]

And it's becoming more evident the longer we're in the third division. Watching poor quality for a long time goes a way to clouding judgements and overreacting to form fluctuations. The OP is a perfect example. He might have had a good few games, no doubting that. But it's far too dramatic a reaction to be making some of the claims in the OP.

Which 'dramatic claim' from the OP do you particularly disagree with from your season* watching him play?

*Later revised down to 7 months, later revised down to 3 months?

 

[Barney]

Which 'dramatic claim' from the OP do you particularly disagree with from your season* watching him play?

*Later revised down to 7 months, later revised down to 3 months?

You've gone from giving him away for free to "definitely" wanting to keep him. And that on the basis of a few games he might have put in a good performance. Or even just the one game. It doesn't take a genius to work out why that's such a dramatical claim.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Which 'dramatic claim' from the OP do you particularly disagree with from your season* watching him play?

*Later revised down to 7 months, later revised down to 3 months?

I think he's struggling with the concept of somebody admitting they were wrong, I don't think that happens often in Barneyworld

 

[PeteBlade]

You've gone from giving him away for free to "definitely" wanting to keep him. And that on the basis of a few games he might have put in a good performance. Or even just the one game. It doesn't take a genius to work out why that's such a dramatical claim.

Hang about, you've watched him for 3 months a year ago and decided he's no good, but I've watched him the same season, all of this season and seen the improvement across the course of this season (not one game as you've made up) yet can't come to the opinion that we should keep him?

Yet you also feel qualified to comment about how we should definitely keep Che Adams?

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Barney]

Hang about, you've watched him for 3 months a year ago and decided he's no good, but I've watched him the same season, all of this season and seen the improvement across the course of this season (not one game as you've made up) yet can't come to the opinion that we should keep him?

Yet you also feel qualified to comment about how we should definitely keep Che Adams?

Curiouser and curiouser.

You've admitted yourself in the original post how you didn't think much to Coutts before the last few games, if not just the last game. It's the minuscule time period you're using to base your opinion on his miraculous upturn in ability that has made you go from giving him away for free to definitely keeping him that makes your original post a bit of a ridiculous and overly dramatical one.

 

[Bartleby]

You've admitted yourself in the original post how you didn't think much to Coutts before the last few games, if not just the last game. It's the minuscule time period you're using to base your opinion on his miraculous upturn in ability that has made you go from giving him away for free to definitely keeping him that makes your original post a bit of a ridiculous and overly dramatical one.

If you haven't seen how he's been playing you are not qualified to comment.

 

[Bladesince59]

Moving on from the negativity of yesterday, I have to admit how wrong I was about Coutts.

Last season I would have given him away for free, but now he's fit i think he's a class act at this level.

Calm on the ball, good first touch and can pick a pass.

A player I'd definitely want us to keep next season.

So for me we've got 4 entire players from our current squad that I would keep.

The others being Brayford, Sharp and???

 

[PeteBlade]

You've admitted yourself in the original post how you didn't think much to Coutts before the last few games, if not just the last game. It's the minuscule time period you're using to base your opinion on his miraculous upturn in ability that has made you go from giving him away for free to definitely keeping him that makes your original post a bit of a ridiculous and overly dramatical one.

I'm close to bowing out of this discussion as your lack of rational logic makes it difficult to hold any sensible discussion.

I've made no reference to last game or last few games in my OP, so as much as it would suit you, that's not something I've said, that's something you've made up.

If you'd taken into account the qualifying reasons around his 'miraculous' improvement, or watched him play recently, your understanding might be a little better.

As for ridiculous or overly dramatic OP (which I'm still yet to see evidence of) you'd have to go some way to top where you rated/criticised the entire team's performance for a match you didn't watch, concentrating your criticism for the players that had really rather good games. That was gold class.

 

[Barney]

I'm close to bowing out of this discussion as your lack of rational logic makes it difficult to hold any sensible discussion.

I've made no reference to last game or last few games in my OP, so as much as it would suit you, that's not something I've said, that's something you've made up.

If you'd taken into account the qualifying reasons around his 'miraculous' improvement, or watched him play recently, your understanding might be a little better.

As for ridiculous or overly dramatic OP (which I'm still yet to see evidence of) you'd have to go some way to top where you rated/criticised the entire team's performance for a match you didn't watch, concentrating your criticism for the players that had really rather good games. That was gold class.

You've done well to evade a lot of my post there haven't you?

 

[PeteBlade]

You've done well to evade a lot of my post there haven't you?

I've gone into quite a bit of detail on each part, even the inaccurate bits that you made up to try and make your point stronger.

 

[Barney]

I've gone into quite a bit of detail on each part, even the inaccurate bits that you made up to try and make your point stronger.

You know it isn't made up. The fact is Coutts has had a few good games by the general consensus (not even sure on "few", possibly even just the one), and you've made quite a dramatic conclusion on the back of it.

 

[PokerBlade]

You've got to think of the big picture, Pete.

If you start praising players every time they play well for a few games then soon everyone will be doing it and then, before you know it, we'll have fans clapping players on and off the pitch, names being sung, and mindless cheering through the games.

And then where's Barney going to be? How's he going to get replies by spamming shitposts about how much he hates the team? We can't do that to him. He obviously needs the attention more than Coutts does.

 

[Deaneandagana]

I was Coutts biggest critic & those who know me will certainly vouch for that, but over the last 2 months he's been our most improved player of the season.

Now if he could add a goal threat to his play then he'd be a proper proper player.

 

[PeteBlade]

You know it isn't made up. The fact is Coutts has had a few good games by the general consensus (not even sure on "few", possibly even just the one), and you've made quite a dramatic conclusion on the back of it.

Man suggests keeping hold of player who is playing well this season after player crap last season = dramatic conclusion.

Man who doesn't attend football matches ignorantly/stubbornly sticks to opinion formed on player from last season = sensible conclusion?

For that reason, I'll bow out of this nonsense.

Feel free to keep plugging away though punchy.

 

[Barney]

Man suggests keeping hold of player who is playing well this season after player crap last season = dramatic conclusion.

Man who doesn't attend football matches ignorantly/stubbornly sticks to opinion formed on player from last season = sensible conclusion?

For that reason, I'll bow out of this nonsense.

Feel free to keep plugging away though punchy.

Or is it...

Man goes from wanting to give a player away for free to definitely wanting to keep him on the back of a few good performances.

Man who has seen said player play for a lot longer than the few good performances on which the miraculous change in opinion is held suggests the first man is being over the top and a bit of a drama queen.

He'll no doubt be back in the bargain bin as soon as his form drops.

 

[sitwell]

Or is it....
A decent discussion about Paul Coutts being one of our best and certainly improved players turns into yet another hijacked Barney discussion. Why not just fuck off.

 

[PeteBlade]

Or is it...

Man goes from wanting to give a player away for free to definitely wanting to keep him on the back of a few good performances.

Man who has seen said player play for a lot longer than the few good performances on which the miraculous change in opinion is held suggests the first man is being over the top and a bit of a drama queen.

He'll no doubt be back in the bargain bin as soon as his form drops.

Yes I'm that much of a drama queen I might:
* Compose a self pitying flouncing thread announcing my departure from the forum only to return the next day
* Sell my 'season ticket' mid way through the season like a good fair weather plastic
* Repeatedly cry to the site moderators because everyone's picking on me

Pretty pathetic wouldn't you agree?

Enjoy the rest of the thread.

 

[Barney]

Yes I'm that much of a drama queen I might:
* Compose a self pitying flouncing thread announcing my departure from the forum only to return the next day
* Sell my 'season ticket' mid way through the season like a good fair weather plastic
* Repeatedly cry to the site moderators because everyone's picking on me

Pretty pathetic wouldn't you agree?

Enjoy the rest of the thread.

Well that lasted long didn't it?

Another evasive post upon the realisation of your drama.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

He's ALWAYS been a footballer - some wouldn't know a footballer even if they went to watch Arsenal.

UTB

 

[Deleted member 875]

The reason why we have seen such a dramatic improvement in Paul Coutts is that last year, he came in and was obviously not fully match and struggled in a lot of games, often coming off early, or not fit enough for selection.

Then we sacked the manager and brought in a new manager who has got a background in Physiotherapy. He then saw the obvious problem with Coutts fitness, and it is glaringly obvious to anyone that Coutts has spent his lengthy spell on the sidelines until October doing some sort of rehabilitation programme, which is now paying dividends as anyone who has seen United in the last 3 months would agree that he is certainly looking more like one of the best midfielders in this Division, that the poor player of last season

 

[longinthe toothblade]

Moving on from the negativity of yesterday, I have to admit how wrong I was about Coutts.

Last season I would have given him away for free, but now he's fit i think he's a class act at this level.

Calm on the ball, good first touch and can pick a pass.

A player I'd definitely want us to keep next season.

So for me we've got 4 entire players from our current squad that I would keep.

Always been a decent player in there for me. Much fitter this season and it's showing.