Coutts - is he done?

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Brookblade said:
Maybe Coutts has been involved in pre season cos Wilder has already stated he may need to use players on the transfer list til he gets who he wants in
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Exactly! And who are these teams he's looked decent against?
 



sheffielder said:
Still reading Bladespicker's post as I don't understand or comprehend it at all.
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Why?

In short Coutts is a very good footballer who appears to lack an engine after injuries sustained previously. However he hasn't had a pre season for 4 years nearly.

He had some brilliant individual performances last season that were acknowledged by his biggest critics at the time and in no way deserves the level of stick or derision he gets on here. Yes he has negatives but to say he was a disgrace last season or all he does is pass it forwards 5 yards (not you but what is levelled at him) is frankly ridiculous. More so than my post obviously :-)
 
Bladepicker said:
Why?

In short Coutts is a very good footballer who appears to lack an engine after injuries sustained previously. However he hasn't had a pre season for 4 years nearly.

He had some brilliant individual performances last season that were acknowledged by his biggest critics at the time and in no way deserves the level of stick or derision he gets on here. Yes he has negatives but to say he was a disgrace last season or all he does is pass it forwards 5 yards (not you but what is levelled at him) is frankly ridiculous. More so than my post obviously :)
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I don't think you can really say that as you confidently as you have.

There's not enough to go on, but pretty much all there is to go on unfortunately goes against him.
 
wizadry said:
Your first two paragraphs foxy no one can argue with but your last one I simply can't agree with. If you can be arsed to look back over my posts regarding Coutts I predominantly stuck up for him when he was getting pelters on here but having watched some of the non performances he did last year he deserves everything he gets and I don't like criticising players as much as I have Coutts, he was one of the laziest bastards I have ever seen on a football pitch most of the time last season, other than his good stint in December.

I'm sorry but his decent pre season performances can't make me forget is utter shite, lazy and inept performances last season. He mugged us fans off just like Baxter and i can't stand that.
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Coutts may well have been playing within his capabilities, he may well have not been showing the effort the fans of this club demand.....however I will say this in his defence.

Name me more than 3 players last season you would say did perform as expected under that useless, tactically poor and over hyped manager we had last season.
Coutts is just one of a whole host who could be accused of being utter shite, lazy and inept last season.....no,less so than the manager himself.

I will wait and see how Coutts performs with Wilder, and as ever will remain fair and balanced.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Coutts may well have been playing within his capabilities, he may well have not been showing the effort the fans of this club demand.....however I will say this in his defence.

Name me more than 3 players last season you would say did perform as expected under that useless, tactically poor and over hyped manager we had last season.
Coutts is just one of a whole host who could be accused of being utter shite, lazy and inept last season.....no,less so than the manager himself.

I will wait and see how Coutts performs with Wilder, and as ever will remain fair and balanced.
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Considering the only players who are starting next season from last are Long, Sharp, Brayford, Basham and Done. How many of these were you saying were lazy?
 
Grizzly blade said:
Coutts may well have been playing within his capabilities, he may well have not been showing the effort the fans of this club demand.....however I will say this in his defence.

Name me more than 3 players last season you would say did perform as expected under that useless, tactically poor and over hyped manager we had last season.
Coutts is just one of a whole host who could be accused of being utter shite, lazy and inept last season.....no,less so than the manager himself.

I will wait and see how Coutts performs with Wilder, and as ever will remain fair and balanced.
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I've been more than fair and balanced since Coutts has been here, look through my history if you don't believe me and trust me when I say this, I think I'm being very fair in just calling Coutts a lazy twat, I could've gone much further.

As ever though, if by some miracle Coutts does get a redemption, I won't boo or criticise the lazy twat whilst he's on the pitch, I'll wait until I come on here. ;)

And this is a Coutts thread by the way, that's why I haven't commented on other players from last season.
 
Using the words wizardry did....as follows.

Long- Inept quite often.
Basham- did OK
Sharp- did OK....missed some chances
Done- was shite
Brayford- not the player we bought...but not quite shite!

So, as I said, name me more than 3 who were anything other than the words you described.
coutts isn't the only player from last season still at the club, but I wouldn't write any player off based on one seasons performances alongside a team of players who were all generally poorly prepared tactically, and often utilised out of portion and with poor plans.

I'm basically saying Coutts is a good footballer, who needs to be used in a way to get the best out of him.
Wilder isn't stupid, he knows how he wants to play, and knows he doesn't yet have all the players he needs. However, unlike Adkins he will adapt his methods and tactics accordingly to get the best from those players he really wants out.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Using the words wizardry did....as follows.

Long- Inept quite often.
Basham- did OK
Sharp- did OK....missed some chances
Done- was shite
Brayford- not the player we bought...but not quite shite!

So, as I said, name me more than 3 who were anything other than the words you described.
coutts isn't the only player from last season still at the club, but I wouldn't write any player off based on one seasons performances alongside a team of players who were all generally poorly prepared tactically, and often utilised out of portion and with poor plans.

I'm basically saying Coutts is a good footballer, who needs to be used in a way to get the best out of him.
Wilder isn't stupid, he knows how he wants to play, and knows he doesn't yet have all the players he needs. However, unlike Adkins he will adapt his methods and tactics accordingly to get the best from those players he really wants out.
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If that's a reply to me mate, I don't think I have ever described any performances from those players as you've put, I'd use much better words. :)
 
wizadry said:
I've been more than fair and balanced since Coutts has been here, look through my history if you don't believe me and trust me when I say this, I think I'm being very fair in just calling Coutts a lazy twat, I could've gone much further.

As ever though, if by some miracle Coutts does get a redemption, I won't boo or criticise the lazy twat whilst he's on the pitch, I'll wait until I come on here. ;)

And this is a Coutts thread by the way, that's why I haven't commented on other players from last season.
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He may have been lazy....he may have not had the fitness to constantly have to get back after the players around him were unable to retain possession of the ball.
Yes, I know he's not the best tackler. But as a player, if you know you haven't the legs to get up and down like you used to, and you have little faith your colleagues will be able to find you with a pass if you bomb on, and will mis control it and lose it leaving you out of position then you might be reluctant to take risks.
Furthermore, if you have little to no movement in front of you, and nobody making runs behind defnders like we have for years, you don't have many options to play passes anywhere other than sideways.
 
Tufty obviously thinks there is and he'll be in the squad for Bolton.
He's had more poor games than good but one away in particular at Barnsley in his first season he ran the show I want to see more of that.
 



Grizzly blade said:
He may have been lazy....he may have not had the fitness to constantly have to get back after the players around him were unable to retain possession of the ball.
Yes, I know he's not the best tackler. But as a player, if you know you haven't the legs to get up and down like you used to, and you have little faith your colleagues will be able to find you with a pass if you bomb on, and will mis control it and lose it leaving you out of position then you might be reluctant to take risks.
Furthermore, if you have little to no movement in front of you, and nobody making runs behind defnders like we have for years, you don't have many options to play passes anywhere other than sideways.
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Good post and I fully understand the movement aspect, if there is a lack of this it can make Zidane look wank.

I hope he leaves but will accept CW decision on it, I'm sure he'll see the light. :)
 
Wizardry....you described Coutts last season as those words. Not an issue, that's your opinion and I tend to agree.

My point was...name more than 3 that weren't the same. 5 names were put up....in my opinion only Sharp, Basham did OK...the rest were generally one of the 3 words described.

I just don't believe players become crap overnight. Adkins biggest failure was not utilising the players he did have correctly tactically. He hadn't got a clue, and talked crap half the time. Is there any wonder most of the players were the same?
 
Grizzly blade said:
Wizardry....you described Coutts last season as those words. Not an issue, that's your opinion and I tend to agree.

My point was...name more than 3 that weren't the same. 5 names were put up....in my opinion only Sharp, Basham did OK...the rest were generally one of the 3 words described.

I just don't believe players become crap overnight. Adkins biggest failure was not utilising the players he did have correctly tactically. He hadn't got a clue, and talked crap half the time. Is there any wonder most of the players were the same?
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Sorry, I misread, I thought you meant I'd described the players performances as you put in that post and not Coutts'.
 
wizadry said:
Good post but do you honestly believe that we could go up with Coutts playing in a 2 man midfield, BP? Obviously, you know my answer.
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In a word. No!

The only way would be if we had a side like in Wilson's first season with goalscorers all around him and quality goalscoring wingers/attacking full backs who would benefit from the triangles and angled balls he offers. We don't have that side.

However that is not how I would use him, if we play a 4 3 3/4 5 1 he is perfect for the right of the midfield three, especially with Brayford bombing on, or on the right of a narrow 4 4 2 with a similar remit. Wilder has shown in pre season and at previous clubs and he loves a bombing overlapping fullback. That works best when you have a player in front or on the right of the three they can confidently play 1-2's with and who is comfortable in possession.

I see Fleck as a younger, fitter version of Coutts but I really think Coutts can be utilised off the bench. One nil up against tired legs (like against Fleetwood, Barnsley away and Worcester off the top of my head) Coutts can help us cut teams apart with key link play on the break.

Is he on too much money for such a role? Probably, but again not his fault, he has loads of ability and I love watching good footballers. He is undoubtedly that.
 
Bladepicker said:
In a word. No!

The only way would be if we had a side like in Wilson's first season with goalscorers all around him and quality goalscoring wingers/attacking full backs who would benefit from the triangles and angled balls he offers. We don't have that side.

However that is not how I would use him, if we play a 4 3 3/4 5 1 he is perfect for the right of the midfield three, especially with Brayford bombing on, or on the right of a narrow 4 4 2 with a similar remit. Wilder has shown in pre season and at previous clubs and he loves a bombing overlapping fullback. That works best when you have a player in front or on the right of the three they can confidently play 1-2's with and who is comfortable in possession.

I see Fleck as a younger, fitter version of Coutts but I really think Coutts can be utilised off the bench. One nil up against tired legs (like against Fleetwood, Barnsley away and Worcester off the top of my head) Coutts can help us cut teams apart with key link play on the break.

Is he on too much money for such a role? Probably, but again not his fault, he has loads of ability and I love watching good footballers. He is undoubtedly that.
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A player of the quality he has shown in the past should be able to dictate more games than he did last year, in what for me was a poor League one. I could count on one hand how many decent or good games he had, it's not good enough imho.
 
Jehovah said:
Any defence of coutts is laughable. Even the best celebrity lawyer wouldn't get him off with playing like a twat.
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I assume then that we will soon see a thread on Done?

He was awful last season.

Or how about Brayford? He too was average most the time when he came back.
Adams....Baxter....etc etc etc.....nearly all the players (some still here) didn't perform to the acceptable level for United last season.

Just wonder why some see fit to call him a parasite and pick him Out for the abuse he is getting on here from some. I would bet Coutts himself might admit he was disappointed in his performances last season, and will realise that if he had been better he certainly wouldn't be on the transfer list. I would also bet (as Wilders own comments seem to confirm) he is working very hard to put that right.
 
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Grizzly blade said:
He may have been lazy....he may have not had the fitness to constantly have to get back after the players around him were unable to retain possession of the ball.
Yes, I know he's not the best tackler. But as a player, if you know you haven't the legs to get up and down like you used to, and you have little faith your colleagues will be able to find you with a pass if you bomb on, and will mis control it and lose it leaving you out of position then you might be reluctant to take risks.
Furthermore, if you have little to no movement in front of you, and nobody making runs behind defnders like we have for years, you don't have many options to play passes anywhere other than sideways.
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There is a lot in that. As a kind of link man type player who brings others into the game, Coutts is the type of player who can look like they are running the game in a good side, but can look lazy and ineffective in a poor side.

That's also why I think he didn't control games enough last year wizadry - the the fact he did on occasion surely shows what he is capable of.
 
Grizzly blade said:
I assume then that we will soon see a thread on Done?

He was awful last season.

Or how about Brayford? He too was average most the time when he came back.
Adams....Baxter....etc etc etc.....nearly all the players (some still here) didn't perform to the acceptable level for United last season.

Just wonder why some see fit to call him a parasite and pick him Out for the abuse he is getting on here from some. I would bet Coutts himself might admit he was disappointed in his performances last season, and will realise that if he had been better he certainly wouldn't be on the transfer list. I would also bet (as Wilders own comments seem to confirm) he is working very hard to put that right.
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Some fair comments there but as the thread is actually about Coutts, why didn't he work harder last season in an attempt to put things right?
 
Foxy said:
He's got the technical ability and has looked good most of the pre-season.

Whether he's got the mobility and work rate Wilder's side will require remains to be seen... But if he hasn't he'll only be going one way.

Not sure he quite deserves a lot of the stick he gets.
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He deserves every bit for me. He has delivered absolutely nothing. And that really is a nothing.

Overpaid, underworked, lazy and / or just not up to what's required in modern football.

I pray we've seen the last of him.

UTB
 
Grizzly blade said:
So let me get this right....someone has told you Coutts is on more than Hammond was, and you believed it?

The same Coutts who was at Derby with Clough, and brought in at a time when Derby were still rebuilding their squad sensibly? And the same Hammond that came to us from the Premier league with a Premier league contract (35k a week at Leicester) that we were paying half of? Even his year deal was still double digit figures per week with appearances.

There really is some guff flying about regards budgets under Clough. Brayford was the only player where a strict wage ceiling was breached for while Clough was here.
Coutts may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he was brought in to do a specific job for a specific manager, on a decent wage for L1. Still doesn't warrant some of the bile being directed his way by some "fans" of our club.

Same fans may well be eating their words when Wilder has used Coutts a fair bit.....Wilder has after all been quite vocal in his praise of Coutts!
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I will bare my arse on the town hall steps if Coutts is an integral part of any successful United team.

UTB
 



See my previous points Mr T.

I like others can only suggest possible reasons. But I do think the whole apathy around the club last season and the poor management was the sole cause of most players underperforming. Coutts could have tried harder perhaps? If that was indeed the problem.
Adkins can't have thought he lacked effort as he often picked him.
 
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