Corruption.

[Mumbo]

This shit really needs to stop.

It's embarrassing.

Why the fuck would anybody be biased against us?

Why indeed…..
quote from ex ref Clattenburg wrote. "If you know football, and you know Sheffield United, and you know McBurnie, then you know he is going to try to disrupt the goalkeeper.
If you know Sheffield United?,
Tell me how that’s not bias?

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Stitched the fuck up. Nothing on MOTD about the disallowed goal. Surely if they're so confident they got it right, and given it was a huge turning point in a close game, then they have to show it, and show the replays, and analyse it.

Nah, fuck it. It's only sheff utd isn't it?

I don't know if it was offside or not, I've not seen it back properly. But I do think a decision like that merits discussion on the major highlights show of the weekend. Stinks that it didn't even get a mention.

If that had have been Liverpool then Klopp would have made a meal of it. Then MOTD would HAVE to have analysed it to death.

 

[SwissBlade]

Why indeed…..
quote from ex ref Clattenburg wrote. "If you know football, and you know Sheffield United, and you know McBurnie, then you know he is going to try to disrupt the goalkeeper.
If you know Sheffield United?,
Tell me how that’s not bias?

It’s a really clear example of a very recent ref stating that they treat clubs differently based on a perceived reputation.

Why aren’t refs and VAR mic’d up throughout? Why did McBurnie get booked away at spurs for asking why he had a free kick against him but those bookings aren’t applied anywhere else?

We got 4 bookings yesterday, Fulham just 1. They apply the letter of the law to us but didn’t to Fulham

 

[Tezza1889]

The still makes it look way more than it was.

I don't want to see reds for things like that tbh.

If that's a blades player he's going straight off..

Bent as fuck..

 

[gordoncharles]

Corruption? Yes, there is a bit of that though the word's a bit strong.

There's an inherent bias to the most powerful clubs because giving potentially controversial decisions against them can lead to media storms or worse. In Chelsea's halcyon days Mourinho and the media literally ended the career of Anders Frisk due to the death threats he received, and he wasn't the only referee who suffered from those. That was 20 years ago.

"Fergie Time" is a 30 year old concept. Anyone who's never seen it should Youtube Jeff Astle's goal for West Brom at Leeds in 1971. The reaction to that - including that of probably the finest of all the commentators, Barry Davies, would terrify any ref.

A natural inclination to favour the bigger club doesn't just exist in England anyway, it's the case everywhere football is played. But we were playing Fulham.

As for yesterday a significant number of fans appear to have gone Full Massive.

Yes, the referee made some errors or calls that were dubious - as will happen in any game, but our 2nd goal was from a quickly taken free kick that, had he been wanting to prevent us winning for whatever bonkers reason, could easily have been pulled back. There was also an accidental handball in our area by Arblaster that seems to have been conveniently overlooked.

Our team and management is utterly inept. We don't actually need any help from a corrupt EPL or PGMOL to throw points away.

 

[Mumbo]

It’s a really clear example of a very recent ref stating that they treat clubs differently based on a perceived reputation.

Why aren’t refs and VAR mic’d up throughout? Why did McBurnie get booked away at spurs for asking why he had a free kick against him but those bookings aren’t applied anywhere else?

We got 4 bookings yesterday, Fulham just 1. They apply the letter of the law to us but didn’t to Fulham

Absolutely….
There is no ambiguity.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

If that's a blades player he's going straight off..

Bent as fuck..

Did you see the video? It's never a red

 

[SRA76]

Anyone believing that football isn’t corrupt to its core is naive.

Where there’s money there’s corruption. The higher you go the more money there is the more corruption you’ll find. Boxing & horse racing are on a different level for corruption but that’s another story entirely. But people have got to get it out of there heads this ridiculous idea that the premier league are against sufc. They simply don’t care if we go down , stay up , or qualify for Europe THEY DONT CARE ! As long as they remain top dogs in domestic world football and billions of pounds is flowing through the system like it does every season then SUFC are just a small cog in the engine and they don’t give a fuck if it’s sufc in there fighting for survival or Southend United they simply don’t care. Let’s concentrate on the state of how our clubs been run rather than pointing finger at every fucker else becuse it’s starting to get embarrassing

 

[Carlton Blade]

Everyone outside the top 7 is irrelevant. You could swap us all out for 13 Championship teams and the PL wouldn't notice.

It's not corruption, it's apathy

 

[petcharlie]

Wrong !! Wilder would have been fined by the FA/Premier League

Did clip klop get fined for his outburst? i dont know for sure but it would not surprise me at all if he didn't

 

[SRA76]

Everyone outside the top 7 is irrelevant. You could swap us all out for 13 Championship teams and the PL wouldn't notice.

It's not corruption, it's apathy

 

[nopigfansintown]

Something unprecedented has happened to football in recent years. We had the pre TV days. Fans, players and managers would moan about refs during and for a short while after the game. You could be Man United or Carlisle United, it didn't really matter: the day after the game the referee analysis was over. Irrelevant. There was no hangover. Clough's destruction of a young John Motson as he saw the new phenomenon slowly emerging springs to mind


We morphed into the mass football TV age. Increasingly the hitherto almost irrelevant analysis of referee decisions started to become a "thing". You don't just rewatch the goals and chances, you rewatch the "decisions" - the taking heads then micro analyse the officials who have one fast paced look at an incident not 997 replays from 25 angles. The refs are now actors and it's fair game to destroy them.

This has increasingly become a thing, so much so that the subjective analysis of refs at matches has been semi replaced by video subjectivity. The talking heads don't accept that either; they now destroy the the video officials.

A worrying thing latterly is how this has manifested itself online. The TV companies make videos analysing which big club has had the worst decisions over the season. Their decisions are seen as THE important ones in the season.If a none big club has something go for them against one of these clubs it's a huge crime.

The huge global fanbases of these clubs don't just leverage their criticism of officials at the matches, like everyone else, they absolutely hammer the referees online. Our criticisms are "sound and fury signifying nothing" as frankly we aren't big enough. A perceived Liverpool or Arsenal injustice trends on twitter and goes viral.

Videos,.claims of bias, comparing and contrasting the big club's decisions. It must be extremely difficult to deal with this pressure. I don't think anyone could go into a game between say Luton and Man United and be able to judge it totally impartially. You'd know if you red carded a Man United player or gave a penalty against them you're going to get battered if you aren't spot on. Institutionally it must be the same. Naturally you are going to do the necessary for an easier life. Clubs now are actually appointing ex refs to effectively pressure the current refs and the refereeing institutions.Nightmare.

 

[mattbianco1]

That doesn’t really wash when let’s be honest.. roles reversed hamers off for an early shower due to VAR picking it up.

That's because Bassey would have thrown himself to the floor to make the VAR look at it.
We're too honest

 

[petcharlie]

I dount that anyone is deliberately corrupt, but the system is rotten in the sense that it is slanted to favour the "big" teams. The PGMOL or whoever assignt he referees, is clearly a lot more concerned about getting decisions right at the top of the league than they are at the bottom.

Our clown Darren England being a case in point. He's clearly not competent to be a PL referee, and has only reffed 9 matches this season. Including 3 of Burnley's, 2 of Luton's, 2 of Brentford's, 2 of Forest's.

Furthermore, he had a couple of shockers on VAR early season. He disallowed a Burnley winning goal against Forest because the ball brushed Berge's arm and he judged it to be deliberate, and he disallowed a Liverpool goal for offside because he didn't know what the original decision was. He was taken off refereeing for Liverpool, because the PGMOL was concerned that Liverpool shouldn't get wrong decisions against them. But of course he is free to carry on creating mayhem at Burnley matches because the PGMOL don't care if he gets those wrong.

Corruption against Sheffield United? You haven't had England reffing you yet. You must have at least one friend in high places.

I AGREE WITH THAT. Not really corrupt but refs are scared of getting things wrong against big clubs and the flack that comes with it .The Liverpool managers out burst against the ref the other week where he demanded a replay out lines that perfectly . Klopp went on about it for weeks it even made the FRONT pages of the press and the ref was put on leave for three weeks . Now when Wilder says what he thinks he gets fined thousands and no want takes any notice anyway . Reaction like Kloops and the refs are on their guard not to rock the multi million pound product that is The Premier league . Makes life a lot less hassel free for the officials when they tow the line for the rich and powerful .

 

[petcharlie]

Something unprecedented has happened to football in recent years. We had the pre TV days. Fans, players and managers would moan about refs during and for a short while after the game. You could be Man United or Carlisle United, it didn't really matter: the day after the game the referee analysis was over. Irrelevant. There was no hangover. Clough's destruction of a young John Motson as he saw the new phenomenon slowly emerging springs to mind


We morphed into the mass football TV age. Increasingly the hitherto almost irrelevant analysis of referee decisions started to become a "thing". You don't just rewatch the goals and chances, you rewatch the "decisions" - the taking heads then micro analyse the officials who have one fast paced look at an incident not 997 replays from 25 angles. The refs are now actors and it's fair game to destroy them.

This has increasingly become a thing, so much so that the subjective analysis of refs at matches has been semi replaced by video subjectivity. The talking heads don't accept that either; they now destroy the the video officials.

A worrying thing latterly is how this has manifested itself online. The TV companies make videos analysing which big club has had the worst decisions over the season. Their decisions are seen as THE important ones in the season.If a none big club has something go for them against one of these clubs it's a huge crime.

The huge global fanbases of these clubs don't just leverage their criticism of officials at the matches, like everyone else, they absolutely hammer the referees online. Our criticisms are "sound and fury signifying nothing" as frankly we aren't big enough. A perceived Liverpool or Arsenal injustice trends on twitter and goes viral.

Videos,.claims of bias, comparing and contrasting the big club's decisions. It must be extremely difficult to deal with this pressure. I don't think anyone could go into a game between say Luton and Man United and be able to judge it totally impartially. You'd know if you red carded a Man United player or gave a penalty against them you're going to get battered if you aren't spot on. Institutionally it must be the same. Naturally you are going to do the necessary for an easier life. Clubs now are actually appointing ex refs to effectively pressure the current refs and the refereeing institutions.Nightmare.

SPOT ON WELL SAID .My thoughts exactly .

 

[petcharlie]

Why indeed…..
quote from ex ref Clattenburg wrote. "If you know football, and you know Sheffield United, and you know McBurnie, then you know he is going to try to disrupt the goalkeeper.
If you know Sheffield United?,
Tell me how that’s not bias?

What he is REALLY saying he pre judges what McBurnie will do during the match which in turn clouds his judgement and impartial decisions.

 

[Jon Bon II]

That's exactly it, and it's a beautiful long-haired pussycat too.

Now I can't get the image out of my head of the faceless man stroking Sam Ryder, as he's curled up on his lap. That's just so wrong, someone please help me....

 

[ancientblade]

There is a conspiracy to keep Everton in the league.

nowt new there then

 

[Bell4]

and We call Wendy’s delusional. STOP blaming VAR stop blaming Refs stop blaming Middle East gambling syndicates and START looking at the fucking owner , recruitment, managers , tactics , decisions etc. Ffs nobody is against us nobody cares a fuck about us We need to stop playing the bastard victims sound like fucking scousers

This

 

[Mumbo]

What he is REALLY saying he pre judges what McBurnie will do during the match which in turn clouds his judgement and impartial decisions.

Pre judging Mcburnie is bad enough but he didn’t stop there he’s pre judging Sheffield United.

 

[Large Mendonca]

What about Man City and over 100 breaches of FFP going back to 2012, and no penalty given to date? I would say that’s an obvious bias.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

PL = big money and big money = corruption. Eventually a ref / official / VAR tw"t will be exposed for taking money for decisions.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Good to know that you can put your hands around a players neck and not get a red card.

 

[gordoncharles]

the subjective analysis of refs at matches has been semi replaced by video subjectivity

This phrase should be the epitaph of VAR

It won't be, but it should.

 

[Snowflake]

Why indeed…..
quote from ex ref Clattenburg wrote. "If you know football, and you know Sheffield United, and you know McBurnie, then you know he is going to try to disrupt the goalkeeper.
If you know Sheffield United?,
Tell me how that’s not bias?

It’s bias but not corrupt.

 

[Snowflake]

What he is REALLY saying he pre judges what McBurnie will do during the match which in turn clouds his judgement and impartial decisions.

…and he is generally right with McB !!

 

[petcharlie]

Wrong !! Wilder would have been fined by the FA/Premier League

thats my point

 

[petcharlie]

…and he is generally right with McB !!

its wrong for a ref to pre judge any player before he referees a match .

 

[Snowflake]

its wrong for a ref to pre judge any player before he referees a match .

I think all refs should do due diligence on teams and individual players. The way in which both perform generally has to be taken on board by the ref.
If, for example, a player is known to “simulate “ often, then it makes sense to keep an eye on what he is doing. Not necessarily to prejudge.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I think all refs should do due diligence on teams and individual players. The way in which both perform generally has to be taken on board by the ref.
If, for example, a player is known to “simulate “ often, then it makes sense to keep an eye on what he is doing. Not necessarily to prejudge.

I agree. If the Newcastle ref had had any idea in advance that Gordon was a diver, then perhaps he wouldn't have got one penalty that was merely wrong, and one that was nonsensical.