Constantly turning the ball over.

[Richy Rich]

We have a real problem of not being able to sting out of the game by constantly turning the ball over, especially in the second half of games. We just switch off, invite pressure and inevitably then go on to lose.

Until they learn to keep the ball when the game requires it we've got no chance.

 

[Bladesman]

We have a real problem of not being able to sting out of the game by constantly turning the ball over, especially in the second half of games. We just switch off, invite pressure and inevitably then go on to lose.

Until they learn to keep the ball when the game requires it we've got no chance.

Wilder doesn't help himself with the subs he makes but some of these lot need to go and he knows who.

 

[Champagneblade]

Soumaré is an ace at walking into trouble or giving it away when there is no need.

He’s no way near good enough. We need to sideline him asap.

Him coming off the bench immediately weakens us.

 

[jt64]

We have a real problem of not being able to sting out of the game by constantly turning the ball over, especially in the second half of games. We just switch off, invite pressure and inevitably then go on to lose.

Until they learn to keep the ball when the game requires it we've got no chance.

The game requires it ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Literally the only time you resort to hoofball is in very late game situations when chasing it. If players are unable or unwilling to keep possession for more than three passes in a row, regardless of how much the clueless section of our fanbase are screaming gerritforward, that is a problem of both coaching and players.

 

[CPB]

Soumaré is an ace at walking into trouble or giving it away when there is no need.

He’s no way near good enough. We need to sideline him asap.

Him coming off the bench immediately weakens us.

Hate to single out a player but bang on for me.

He worries me greatly. Only ok if we are comfortable in the game and he comes on.

 

[Deadbat]

Arblaster, Hamer and Riedewald gave the ball away all game. Put us under constant pressure. The defence lost headers but the ball was coming at us constantly

 

[Deadbat]

Hate to single out a player but bang on for me.

He worries me greatly. Only ok if we are comfortable in the game and he comes on.

Arblaster gave it away all game today.

Soumare should be nowhere near the 1st team but with Peck out, we look so leggy in there.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Soumaré is an ace at walking into trouble or giving it away when there is no need.

He’s no way near good enough. We need to sideline him asap.

Him coming off the bench immediately weakens us.

He's too f*cking stupid to realise that as a defensive midfielder he should take particular effort not to expose the team through avoidable loose breaks of the ball in crucial positions

Time and time again, it somehow manages to bounce off him in the worst possible way. It's no coincidence

He's a clown

 

[FredZeppelin]

Arblaster, Hamer and Riedewald gave the ball away all game. Put us under constant pressure. The defence lost headers but the ball was coming at us constantly

Correct. Add to that also that Chong was completely invisible until pulled as well.

It also knackered us that Wrexham kept finding a one-two pass angle that totally negated our press and they always had a wing back open to attack us. It was way too easy for them and they passed the ball so much better than us all night.

utb

 

[Heely bottoms underpants]

3-1 up to losing 5-3 is abysmal. How many times have these knobheads thrown it away.
Just protect what you've got, at least make it difficult. Shambles.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Soumaré is an ace at walking into trouble or giving it away when there is no need.

He’s no way near good enough. We need to sideline him asap.

Him coming off the bench immediately weakens us.

True, but your choice is at least two from Arblaster, Matos,, Hamer, Soumare or Jairo. At some point you're going to have to bring at least one off the bench. At the minute there's one midfielder at the club that is good enough in and out of possession to play at this level in central midfield (Peck). Essentially your job is to come up with a shape and the subs to make it work sans Peck. I'll add a small disclaimer: Arblaster, in time, might offer more out of possession.

I think we're playing a shape right now predominantly to help carry Arblaster, Jairo and Hamer and they are doing nowhere near enough out of possession even in a five. Chong too is struggling with the other side of the game.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Well he'll be on his way at the end of the season. Along with plenty others please! We need some battlers, not this bunch

 

[Bergen Blade]

From an attacking perspective, it's hard to argue against our set up the last two games when they brought three goals in each.

But sometimes things happen that can paper over the cracks, and I think that was the case vs Birmingham. We went with the same today, and I wasn't convinced it was the right thing to do. Despite the three first half goals, we never looked in control of that game. I will have a look at the goals in detail tomorrow as there were quite a few things that went wrong.

 

[FriethBlade]

He's too f*cking stupid to realise that as a defensive midfielder he should take particular effort not to expose the team through avoidable loose breaks of the ball in crucial positions

Time and time again, it somehow manages to bounce off him in the worst possible way. It's no coincidence

He's a clown

Agreed.....so why does Wilder keep picking him? Brooks would do a much better job in there until Peck is back. Hes athletic, puts his foot in and as a major bonus hes actually a footballer

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

True, but your choice is at least two from Arblaster, Matos,, Hamer, Soumare or Jairo. At some point you're going to have to bring at least one off the bench. At the minute there's one midfielder at the club that is good enough in and out of possession to play at this level in central midfield (Peck). Essentially your job is to come up with a shape and the subs to make it work sans Peck. I'll add a small disclaimer: Arblaster, in time, might offer more out of possession.

I think we're playing a shape right now predominantly to help carry Arblaster, Jairo and Hamer and they are doing nowhere near enough out of possession even in a five. Chong too is struggling with the other side of the game.

Absolutely. Spot on. Without Peck we've got a League One level midfield. We're not a convalescence charity, so if Arblaster isn't at the required level (and he's fucking miles off at the mo) then he should be playing. If Matos and Soumare can't offer a viable alternative then they need sending out on loan as they've offered zero use to us at the moment.

Don't get me started on Hamer. He looks to have eaten his (considerable) bodyweight in mince pies. He's fucking huge. That just isn't good enough in a league that is getting more physical year on year.

 

[Barnette]

Hoofball...our 2nd half tactic. . which other team in the Championship has to resort to it?

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Soumaré is an ace at walking into trouble or giving it away when there is no need.

He’s no way near good enough. We need to sideline him asap.

Him coming off the bench immediately weakens us.

You were about to get a until you said he needs sidelining.
He needs to get the f**k out as soon as possible.
Ah f**k it, it's Christmas. Here, have a anyway

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder doesn't help himself with the subs he makes but some of these lot need to go and he knows who.

Wilder isn’t exempt from criticism but he’s starting 4 players who get to 60 mins and need subbing, he hasn’t really got much choice about the subs he makes. All of them weakened us today but he didn’t really have an option.

 

[Carlton Blade]

From an attacking perspective, it's hard to argue against our set up the last two games when they brought three goals in each.

But sometimes things happen that can paper over the cracks, and I think that was the case vs Birmingham. We went with the same today, and I wasn't convinced it was the right thing to do. Despite the three first half goals, we never looked in control of that game. I will have a look at the goals in detail tomorrow as there were quite a few things that went wrong.

2 consecutive away games we've rolled out XIs and patterns of play that suited the home game we'd just won, but very much not the challenge in front of the team.

This squad isn't good enough to not adjust to the opposition, especially away from home. The things that United got away with last season just aren't enough this time

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Wilder isn’t exempt from criticism but he’s starting 4 players who get to 60 mins and need subbing, he hasn’t really got much choice about the subs he makes. All of them weakened us today but he didn’t really have an option.

I'd argue there's more than 4 mate. He's been at the helm long enough now to have got players fit enough to last 90 mins, yet the problem persists.

We need a strength & conditioning programme lead more than any defender or midfielder.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'd argue there's more than 4 mate. He's been at the helm long enough now to have got players fit enough to last 90 mins, yet the problem persists.

We need a strength & conditioning programme lead more than any defender or midfielder.

You’re right, the midfielders are all 60 mins (Hamer and Arblaster needed subbing today but had to stay on). McCallum normally doesn’t play a full game and whoever starts up front out of Bamford, Campbell, Ings or Cannon can’t do more than 60. Seriki flags massively 2nd half but again we have no option.

It’s pretty embarrassing.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

You’re right, the midfielders are all 60 mins (Hamer and Arblaster needed subbing today but had to stay on). McCallum normally doesn’t play a full game and whoever starts up front out of Bamford, Campbell, Ings or Cannon can’t do more than 60. Seriki flags massively 2nd half but again we have no option.

It’s pretty embarrassing.

Why/how weve got to a situation where pretty much our entire XI are out on their feet after 60 mins is unforgivable.

Where are the 22/23 year old physical freaks who can run all day. Every other team we play has them in abundance. We don't have any. Tanganga and Seriki are the closest we have, but they're starting to look leggy late in games!

Feck knows what's going on.

 

[Bladesman]

I notice going back to playing 1 up front is once again not suiting us unless its Bamford.

Campbell can't play that role properly not can anyone else.

 

[cooperblade]

From an attacking perspective, it's hard to argue against our set up the last two games when they brought three goals in each.

But sometimes things happen that can paper over the cracks, and I think that was the case vs Birmingham. We went with the same today, and I wasn't convinced it was the right thing to do. Despite the three first half goals, we never looked in control of that game. I will have a look at the goals in detail tomorrow as there were quite a few things that went wrong.

I can't believe that at half-time, we looked at what had gone before and thought "no need to change anything" particularly as we were in front. We should've been looking to make the game less chaotic at that point. I would've liked to go to a conventional 4--4-2 at that point, maybe with Campbell and Brooks replacing Chong and Gus.

Playing Chong, Gus and O'Hare away at a team who are direct and have a dangerous front 3 seemed ambitious - almost a little Selles-esque.

Regardless of tactics though, I thought only Bamford could be pleased with his performance (need to get him signed up soon).

 

[Bell4]

Arblaster, Hamer and Riedewald gave the ball away all game. Put us under constant pressure. The defence lost headers but the ball was coming at us constantly

Spot on

 

[Greenblades]

I can't believe that at half-time, we looked at what had gone before and thought "no need to change anything" particularly as we were in front. We should've been looking to make the game less chaotic at that point. I would've liked to go to a conventional 4--4-2 at that point, maybe with Campbell and Brooks replacing Chong and Gus.

Playing Chong, Gus and O'Hare away at a team who are direct and have a dangerous front 3 seemed ambitious - almost a little Selles-esque.

Regardless of tactics though, I thought only Bamford could be pleased with his performance (need to get him signed up soon).

Could not agree more. As much as I hate it why not go 5 at the back to stop the 1-2 they did all night long. Very poor management and tactics today.

 

[Yewsman]

Against Portsmouth and Birmingham we were playing against 10 men for most of the game so not under pressure in midfield or defence.
Today it showed up that Bindon is too easily bullied and not ready for Championship football yet. McGuinness is not upto to it and we need another Souttar.

 

[LondonBlade89]

From an attacking perspective, it's hard to argue against our set up the last two games when they brought three goals in each.

But sometimes things happen that can paper over the cracks, and I think that was the case vs Birmingham. We went with the same today, and I wasn't convinced it was the right thing to do. Despite the three first half goals, we never looked in control of that game. I will have a look at the goals in detail tomorrow as there were quite a few things that went wrong.

I’ve watched the game back this evening. Not in huge detail. But a few rewinds. And the biggest thing to stand out to me was just how far forward the full backs were getting with basically zero cover. It meant every time we gave the ball away we were short. I just don’t think you can have McCallum and Seriki bombing forward on the wings with zero cover. It’s definitely not coming from Hamer or Chong.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Absolutely. Spot on. Without Peck we've got a League One level midfield. We're not a convalescence charity, so if Arblaster isn't at the required level (and he's fucking miles off at the mo) then he should be playing. If Matos and Soumare can't offer a viable alternative then they need sending out on loan as they've offered zero use to us at the moment.

Don't get me started on Hamer. He looks to have eaten his (considerable) bodyweight in mince pies. He's fucking huge. That just isn't good enough in a league that is getting more physical year on year.

If our high press (usually very good tbh) doesn't win the ball we're fucke d as we're unlikely to win it elsewhere. Wrexham played over it (a rarity in this league) rendering it largely redundant. Our midfield - patently lacking in athleticism - then had to win the seconds from Moore or the big diag which is obviously more difficult with more bodies committed in the opposition half (for said high press) that are essentially doing nowt much. Or we played out, gave it away in a bad area, and couldn't win the defensive transitions due to to the lack.of athleticism in the middle. If the defenders or goalkeeper don't challenge and win it nobody does as the midfield struggles to get back in.

Obviously this was all exacerbated by Tanganga and Bindon's struggles with Moore. He had them on toast. And our inability to defend their set pieces in this game

The tactical move was to abandon the high press on this occasion and to play on the break. Say to Wrexham "break us down". The period from 3-3 to 4-3 was ironically an example of this. United had gone, Wrexham were in total command possession wise and were now building from the back comfortably. They struggled to break us down as we were much deeper and more compact as a result of said possession. It took a shocking passing out error to gift the goal. It truth they looked like they were running out of ideas for a spell.

The play was in essence to congest the pitch when Wrexham played forward so our midfielders were packed into our defensive half without having to run back towards our goal. To abandon the ineffectual high press. Wrexham's best attacking threats came from playing over our forward/midfield press and from counter attacking or nicking it with their own high press.

*Don't get me started on Gus . He'll score a worldy next game which will cover up a multitude of sins.

Not sure Jairo/Oli will ever be a viable midfield two in this league. It looks more one or the other to me.

 

[Dnblade]

I don't get why we have to continually pass it back to Cooper,who then goes long and we not only lose the first ball,we lose the 2nd aswell...On one occasion 2nd half,Chong got the ball in acres of space on the right,turned and played a 30 yard ball back to Cooper.
Disappointing result,shipping 5...Bamford,O'Hare and Seriki first half were the only positives for me.