Congratulations Alehouse

[Houso]

Congratulations to the Blackwell-Out camp.
Thanks for relegating my beloved club.

I'm in that camp.

I'm also one those who want Micky Adams out.

If I'm honest, I was happy with Gary Speed... until he shafted us.

We made a mistake keeping Blackwell as long as we did. We remedied that by thinking a little more long term for a change with a shift of ethos at the club. That backfired and we made the particularly unlucky decision in appointing Micky Adams when he seemed like the best option to keep us up.

With us now down, I want to see us start planning for the long term even if it means a couple of seasons in the league below. Percentage football will only take us so far.

 

[raul]

Agreed, all we're doing here is looking at the symptoms and not the cause. I understand completely the notion of not sacking Micky from the p.o.v of we can't keep churning Managers at the current rate, but isn't part of it because the people who are choosing the Managers seem to have had such a shocking record at it these last 4 or 5 years?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Agreed, all we're doing here is looking at the symptoms and not the cause. I understand completely the notion of not sacking Micky from the p.o.v of we can't keep churning Managers at the current rate, but isn't part of it because the people who are choosing the Managers seem to have had such a shocking record at it these last 4 or 5 years?

Absolutely bang on! The problem is though, some supporters wish to look at things in isolation. Either because they have an agenda or because they cant think passed five minutes ago.

 

[Houso]

Agreed, all we're doing here is looking at the symptoms and not the cause. I understand completely the notion of not sacking Micky from the p.o.v of we can't keep churning Managers at the current rate, but isn't part of it because the people who are choosing the Managers seem to have had such a shocking record at it these last 4 or 5 years?

Indeed. Also, when people are complaining about us chopping and changing managers this season because we've had 4 men in charge, it's hardly fair to blame it on the men in charge.
Blackwell - sacked - fair enough
Speed - resigned for Wales - not really anything we could do
Carver - was only caretaker and never anything more realistically
Adams - still here
In effect, we've only chopped and changed once when we've made a decision to do so.

I do think we'd have been in a better position with Blackwell still in charge, but then we'd have been mid table for next few seasons with him in charge. Speed was struggling yes, but we'd have avoided relegation with him in charge and (in my opinion) would be infinitely better in the next couple of seasons.

Sadly, we panicked and decided to return to a manager with 'motivational skills' and a reliance of percentage football who should have made us safe. He's sadly failed in his remit and now even square one is a distant dream.

 

[TonyAgana]

If I'm honest, I was happy with Gary Speed... until he shafted us.

I thought he was pathetic. I think we'd have been in exactly the same position with him still in charge but without even a hint of backbone and facing the prospect of League 1 with a rookie manager at the helm.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think speed would have made a better job of the januray transfer window

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Absolutely bang on! The problem is though, some supporters wish to look at things in isolation. Either because they have an agenda or because they cant think passed five minutes ago.

The problem is that the person in the middle (manager) is at the mercy of both the players and the board. Adams came into the club with a poor squad at his disposal (which he proceeded to make worse - I can't fathom this and it would be interesting to know the true reasons for this) and a board acting like a rudderless ship. I feel sorry for Adams as clearly he wasn't the man to pull all this together, give it a shake and get something productive out of it - but then again who was?

 

[Ollessendro]

No doubt. But for the same people who wanted Blackwell out to now blame Micky Adams for our relegation is laughable.

They both have played their part. Blackwell for dismantling a good team and replace it with crap and Adams for spectaculalrly relegating us. To not blame Adams (to aat least some extent) is idiotic. How can anyone defend 2 wins in 17 games and the permanent signings of Doyle and Collins??

I'm in that camp.

I'm also one those who want Micky Adams out.

Me too. I wanted Blackwell out. That said, the timing of the decision was the worst I have seen. The baord are the other massive culprits in this mess. Of course I blame Birch/McCabe more than I do ale house Micky, even hoofy but to let them off scot free is silly.

I think speed would have made a better job of the januray transfer window

Very true. Speed was doing a much better than Micky and part of this was down to his signing of Reid. He would have been able to attract big names and I am sure that would have made a difference. Adams biggest name was the washed up Bent.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Very true. Speed was doing a much better than Micky and part of this was down to his signing of Reid. He would have been able to attract big names and I am sure that would have made a difference. Adams biggest name was the washed up Bent.

No, there is only one thing that attracts big names, CASH!

 

[super_pig]

>i say it now IF BLACKWELL HAD STAYED WE WOULD NOT BE WHERE WE ARE
we'd have gone down next year though instead (see leeds, luton for further details)

 

[Kempy]

They both have played their part. Blackwell for dismantling a good team and replace it with crap and Adams for spectaculalrly relegating us. To not blame Adams (to aat least some extent) is idiotic. How can anyone defend 2 wins in 17 games and the permanent signings of Doyle and Collins??



Me too. I wanted Blackwell out. That said, the timing of the decision was the worst I have seen. The baord are the other massive culprits in this mess. Of course I blame Birch/McCabe more than I do ale house Micky, even hoofy but to let them off scot free is silly.



Very true. Speed was doing a much better than Micky and part of this was down to his signing of Reid. He would have been able to attract big names and I am sure that would have made a difference. Adams biggest name was the washed up Bent.

Speed was doing a better job than Micky? Speed fucked off at a convenient time. The guy is a managerial idiot and has no idea what to do... as I said before look at his record with wales, its shite! The guy was dragging us down with awful performances and he had just a few brain cells to see he was going to be in the shit if he didn’t get out quick. If any of you went to the game on Saturday we were all over Boro, just shite finishing from the massive amount of chances we had cost us and shite defending from Noswank and co cost us.

Brought in big names? My arse would he, no cash= no big names, shit position = no big names, shit players to play with= no big names.... come on get a grip

We're in the shit because of the board and selling the youngsters for quick cash, We should have sacked Blackwell before the summer and found a replacement so he could have time to sort the shite players. Micky's not to blame, I would love to see anyone here to better with the wank he has to play with.

 

[TonyAgana]

Get in, Kempy. Agree 100%.

 

[sothall blade]

Speed was doing a better job than Micky? Speed fucked off at a convenient time. The guy is a managerial idiot and has no idea what to do... as I said before look at his record with wales, its shite! The guy was dragging us down with awful performances and he had just a few brain cells to see he was going to be in the shit if he didn’t get out quick. If any of you went to the game on Saturday we were all over Boro, just shite finishing from the massive amount of chances we had cost us and shite defending from Noswank and co cost us.

Brought in big names? My arse would he, no cash= no big names, shit position = no big names, shit players to play with= no big names.... come on get a grip

We're in the shit because of the board and selling the youngsters for quick cash, We should have sacked Blackwell before the summer and found a replacement so he could have time to sort the shite players. Micky's not to blame, I would love to see anyone here to better with the wank he has to play with.

totally agree with you there mate,adams is not totally to blame for this mess,fergie,wenger and ancolotti together would,nt have been able to sort this mess out

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who in their right mind was going to take this job, a shit team,no money cut the wage bill even more sell sell sell, i believe adams took this job on knowing that relegation was imminent and by taking his dream job he maybe thought he could save the club,but he has not realised the size of the job,i see this scenario as the one at newcastle when shearer took over with all his reputation and clout in the game and look what happened there,do you hear the geordies slagging him off ? he is still a legend

 

[Ollessendro]

Speed was doing a better job than Micky? Speed fucked off at a convenient time. The guy is a managerial idiot and has no idea what to do... as I said before look at his record with wales, its shite! The guy was dragging us down with awful performances and he had just a few brain cells to see he was going to be in the shit if he didn’t get out quick. If any of you went to the game on Saturday we were all over Boro, just shite finishing from the massive amount of chances we had cost us and shite defending from Noswank and co cost us.

Brought in big names? My arse would he, no cash= no big names, shit position = no big names, shit players to play with= no big names.... come on get a grip

We're in the shit because of the board and selling the youngsters for quick cash, We should have sacked Blackwell before the summer and found a replacement so he could have time to sort the shite players. Micky's not to blame, I would love to see anyone here to better with the wank he has to play with.

Yep. Speed managed a few wins. He inheriterd Blackwells squad and won games immediately. His 2nd win (in his 3rd game in charge) we were excellent at Derby. He struggled a little bit, but you only have to look at points to game ratio to see he did a better job than Adams. In Speed's first 5 games he won 3. More than Micky has managed in 17. This is a side that he inherited off Blackwell. Since Speed left we have not lost any players and Adams had the opportunity to add to his squad. He had a transfer window and brought in 6 players. Something Speed never had. I am not Speed's biggest fan, but he makes Adams look like a pub manager.

Andy Reid was not a big name? He certainly played like a premiership quality player. But oh yeah, I am sure Micky would have been able to attract him!?

Micky is not to blame. This pathetic attitude will be the death of the club. How on earth can people defend him when he has not mustered more than 2 wins in 17 games. His record is pathetic and YES he is statistically the worst manager in SUFC's history! But oh no, let's give Micky more time. It's not his fault. We'll end up sacking him next October/November when we are flirting with relegation in League One.

 

[Kempy]

Yep. Speed managed a few wins. He inheriterd Blackwells squad and won games immediately. His 2nd win (in his 3rd game in charge) we were excellent at Derby. He struggled a little bit, but you only have to look at points to game ratio to see he did a better job than Adams. In Speed's first 5 games he won 3. More than Micky has managed in 17. This is a side that he inherited off Blackwell. Since Speed left we have not lost any players and Adams had the opportunity to add to his squad. He had a transfer window and brought in 6 players. Something Speed never had. I am not Speed's biggest fan, but he makes Adams look like a pub manager.

Andy Reid was not a big name? He certainly played like a premiership quality player. But oh yeah, I am sure Micky would have been able to attract him!?

Micky is not to blame. This pathetic attitude will be the death of the club. How on earth can people defend him when he has not mustered more than 2 wins in 17 games. His record is pathetic and YES he is statistically the worst manager in SUFC's history! But oh no, let's give Micky more time. It's not his fault. We'll end up sacking him next October/November when we are flirting with relegation in League One.

You make some obvious points about speed and his ratio's which I accept are better than Micky's. However this period you say "he struggled abit" was the worst football I have ever seen united play and for many of the games I saw involved us getting 1 shot on goal and nothing more. You look at the difference now and we have many more shots on and off target, however the confidence sapped from how shite we have been doing and no matter how many we score our shite defence will let in 2 more than we do is also a factor to why we are not winning.

Micky's tactics and set up are a hell of alot better than your chum Speed's. That’s obvious from the more shots and possession we have per game now. I admit i question the likes of Doyle and I am extremely disappointed with the signing of Collins, but i cannot help feel they will do a half decent job in league one (where they belong). Andy Reid i will give you but he didn’t stay here long did he??? How many more do you think Speed would have attracted? like i said before no money, shit players, and shit league position = no matter if your name last name is Mourinho you aren’t going to get shite all in.

The pathetic attitude you question is due to the shite we have had to put up with and what we are now watching, which in my view is a shite team playing the best i’ve seen it this season which is still nowhere near good enough for this division, however I still believe and i think others also do to that he has the right capabilities with the right squad underneath him, unfortunately one is missing.. ill give you one guess

 

[Micalijo]

The problem for all you Alehouse lovers Kempy is that there were some very forthright views been spouted in january that Micky would give em a rocket, would turn it round, would get em working and would keep us up. SOD would be the man who led us meekly to the 3rd tier.

Now it's clear he hasn't got the competence to manage in 2nd tier it is nowt to dow ith him. You clappers (and I aint got a better term I'm afraid) are dragging this club down - accepting 3rd tier managers, pleased that Doyle 'could' be OK in 3rd tier. It really is beyod belief.

Well what a surprise, Micky's 'they don't like it up em' attitdue has failed miserably in 2011 when vast majority of sides have footballers in it, not planks of wood who we hope will respond to been told to run around a bit more.

ADAMS OUT.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Yep. Speed managed a few wins. He inheriterd Blackwells squad and won games immediately. His 2nd win (in his 3rd game in charge) we were excellent at Derby. He struggled a little bit, but you only have to look at points to game ratio to see he did a better job than Adams. In Speed's first 5 games he won 3. More than Micky has managed in 17. This is a side that he inherited off Blackwell. Since Speed left we have not lost any players and Adams had the opportunity to add to his squad. He had a transfer window and brought in 6 players. Something Speed never had. I am not Speed's biggest fan, but he makes Adams look like a pub manager.

Andy Reid was not a big name? He certainly played like a premiership quality player. But oh yeah, I am sure Micky would have been able to attract him!?

Micky is not to blame. This pathetic attitude will be the death of the club. How on earth can people defend him when he has not mustered more than 2 wins in 17 games. His record is pathetic and YES he is statistically the worst manager in SUFC's history! But oh no, let's give Micky more time. It's not his fault. We'll end up sacking him next October/November when we are flirting with relegation in League One.

I dont think Speed would have done a lot better over the course of the season if I'm honest but yes his record does look respectable at the side of Micky's, there is no denying that. The problem has been the constant chopping and changing complete with knee jerk reactions. I honestly dont know what the answer is anymore because Micky has clearly failed to turn things around when (if I'm honest and hold my hands up) I was convinced he would give us a chance of staying up. I still maintain that he has a poor squad of players and did when he inherited the squad. The biggest mistakes have been in the players he has signed. He looked to bolster the squad in January and give us more competition for places but he clearly couldnt get the standard of player he required. If he was aware of that then he shouldnt have signed anyone and tried the youngsters. If Collins and Doyle were all that were available I would have sooner seen Maguire and Harriott come in for instance.....or if not the younsters then no one.

There is no reason to keep MA on with his record at the moment it saddens me to say, but sacking our fourth manager of the season by the end of the season just seems laughable. This season really has just stumbled from one cock up to the next. I think our current manager's downfall is purely because he has rushed himself into bad decisions and has aggravated an already dire situation. The only decent players he has brought in of any note are Riise and Vokes (with Mattock being fairly average). The rest have been awful. My instinct just tells me that we should drag ourselves to the end of the season and reasses everything then, but I'm sure the directors have their own plans in mind.....I dread to think!

 

[Kempy]

The problem for all you Alehouse lovers Kempy is that there were some very forthright views been spouted in january that Micky would give em a rocket, would turn it round, would get em working and would keep us up. SOD would be the man who led us meekly to the 3rd tier.

Now it's clear he hasn't got the competence to manage in 2nd tier it is nowt to dow ith him. You clappers (and I aint got a better term I'm afraid) are dragging this club down - accepting 3rd tier managers, pleased that Doyle 'could' be OK in 3rd tier. It really is beyod belief.

Well what a surprise, Micky's 'they don't like it up em' attitdue has failed miserably in 2011 when vast majority of sides have footballers in it, not planks of wood who we hope will respond to been told to run around a bit more.

ADAMS OUT.

Well that depends if you believed the views "spouted in January", I never believed Micky would turn it round in an instant, and anybody who did is lacking highly in judgement.

I am pleased Doyle could work in tier 3 because like it or not Mic that is where we are heading... if you haven’t noticed. Moaning now about signings made is fine and I do it myself but try to look at the reality of the players we will keep and that we can see coping in the third tier so we don’t go down to the fourth tier straight away.
I think it’s a poor point to say that our “clapper” mentality of accepting 3rd tier managers is dragging the club down, to say that is laughable. I accept who I think as a manager well get the lads playing football, what would you rate Speed, Blackwell, Nobson as then Mic?? I would have taken micky over them any day. The lad is a blade and had port vale (who had fuck all cash) playing well and they turned us round in the cup... I accept the poor rate he has had but to kick him out now will screw the club up we all love even more... but then again i’m just a clapper so what do I know?