[Confirmed] Walker back to Spurs

[Jim Chimmerney]

Au contraire, Jim Chimmerney. It's not "fact".

I eluded to this back in October after hearing it from my source. Oh why won't anybody listen to little TA? My tips are few and far between but are always right.
http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=191668&postcount=47

That's why fact was written 'fact' TA

 

[TonyAgana]

Au contraire, Jim Chimmerney. It's not "fact".

You've said on a number of occasions it's not a season long loan. If it isn't, why was it reported as such and why does every single media organisation refer to it as such, and why do both clubs say it's a season long loan?

I'm genuinely curious. Assuming you are right, why are both clubs lying to the press (and possibly the leagues, given that's where some news orgs get their transfer data from)? What do they have to gain?

Rev, I'm as confused as you, mate. I imagine that that was just the way it was being reported, and with all the shit storm surrounding the move, nobody wanted to change it. I'd also imagine that all the paperwork submitted to the leagues is in order.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Oh well, on the OS now;

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1952711,00.html

still not sure how they 'excersied their right' I'm sure all will be made clear, or not

 

[Railway Blade]

Now on OS too.

Oh dear !!

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Whichever way you look at it it seems under-handed by Arry (and that's being polite). If the only reason we didn't sign Kyle N was down to a few grand a week, we've now saved that by Kyle W no longer being with us. Arry must have known what he was doing when he released Kyle N.

 

[Blade58]

on o/s

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1952711,00.html

 

[Revolution]

Rev, I'm as confused as you, mate. I imagine that that was just the way it was being reported, and with all the shit storm surrounding the move, nobody wanted to change it.

I may be wrong, but I have a memory from reading the transcript of what McCabe said at the fan forum that he said that we had Walker on a season long loan. If he did say that, I find that disappointing to say the least. Is the transcript knocking around on the site still somewhere?

I'd also imagine that all the paperwork submitted to the leagues is in order.

I would assume (and hope) so.

Sad to hear this as we made 2 solid signings yesterday and this is a step backwards.

 

[Linz]

C&Ped for clickless:

Tottenham Hotspur have recalled Kyle Walker to White Hart Lane.

The Premiership club, who concluded a deal last summer,to purchase Walker and Kyle Naughton, contacted the Blades 50 minutes before Monday's 5pm transfer deadline to exercise their right take the England U20s defender.

Efforts by Blades officials to dissuade Spurs continued through to the deadline but to no avail.

Kevin Blackwell, in charge of the team at Watford tonight, has Derek Geary and new signing Nyron Nosworthy as possibilities to replace Walker, who was en route to Vicarage Road with the Blades team when Spurs first made contact.

 

[Micalijo]

No idea why people are having a pop at Redknapp and Spurs.

He is their player. They own him and if SUFC have said somewhere it is a season long loan when it isn't, what has that got to do with Spurs? If Spurs have said it in August on their OS then we as SUFC fans have been conned but officials at SUFC must have known this was a possibility.

I would imagine they have seen he is head and shoulders above the rest in CCC and looked best player on pitch at Bolton and thought we'll have him back in line with the agreement signed in Ausgust.

Nowt to do with Spurs if our pathetic manager chooses to build his plans around loan players.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I may be wrong, but I have a memory from reading the transcript of what McCabe said at the fan forum that he said that we had Walker on a season long loan. If he did say that, I find that disappointing to say the least. Is the transcript knocking around on the site still somewhere?

Just had a quick scan rev and there's no mention of it. A lot of talk about agents, why we sold them and what good deals they were but nothing about the loan.

 

[Revolution]

Just had a quick scan rev and there's no mention of it. A lot of talk about agents, why we sold them and what good deals they were but nothing about the loan.

I misremembered then. Fair enough.

"Good deals"...best not rise to the bait of that comment again!

 

[TonyAgana]

Just had a quick scan rev and there's no mention of it. A lot of talk about agents, why we sold them and what good deals they were but nothing about the loan.

Like BB says, KM is a canny owd bugger!

 

[Rustyblade]

As I understand it, all season long loans contain a provision for a recall provided it is exercised during the January transfer window. I may be wrong but this would seem to fit the facts.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Whichever way you look at it it seems under-handed by Arry (and that's being polite).

Redknapp is a saggy faced old twat, always has been and always will be.

 

[Rustyblade]

'Arry the 'Ammer's revenge?

 

[SwissBlade]

Come on Micalijo, get off the Anti Blackwell horse for one minute.

Nobody knows that Blackwell has chosen to build his plans around loan players. I'm sure he'd much rather have permanent deals like the rest of us. Someone in the club has made the decision and no doubt Blackie reluctantly went along with it.. because there was probably no other choice!

My problem with this is that Spurs have loaned two fullbacks on the transfer deadline day then at the last minute recalled Walker when we had no time to find a replacement.

Why didn't they recall before Monday? This would give us a chance to sort something out.

Why didn't they let him play tonight and recall him tomorrow?

Whether it was a 6 month loan with an extension or a season long loan is irrelevant. My issue is that its not been managed very well.

 

[AJM]

...I would imagine they have seen he is head and shoulders above the rest in CCC and looked best player on pitch at Bolton and thought we'll have him back in line with the agreement signed in Ausgust.....

I would imagine they didn't send a scout to West Brom then

 

[Revolution]

As I understand it, all season long loans contain a provision for a recall provided it is exercised during the January transfer window. I may be wrong but this would seem to fit the facts.

I recall Jon-Paul McGovern returning unexpectedly to Celtic in January 2003 and United being pretty annoyed and surprised about it. A clause like that may have been the reason.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

As I understand it, all season long loans contain a provision for a recall provided it is exercised during the January transfer window. I may be wrong but this would seem to fit the facts.

48.2.4 The period of a Long Term Loan shall expire no earlier than the end of the Season in which the Long Term Loan takes place and a Player signed on such a transfer must complete the loan period and may not be recalled by his original Club at any time during that loan period save:

a. when the Player is recalled and transferred permanently to another Club;

b. in the case of a goalkeeper whose agreement may contain a recall clause which may only be implemented in exceptional circumstances with the consent of the Executive.

 

[Wapping Blade]

It's on the official site...

 

[Foxy]

I would imagine they have seen he is head and shoulders above the rest in CCC and looked best player on pitch at Bolton and thought we'll have him back in line with the agreement signed in Ausgust.

They can't have seen him at WBA then

 

[lenners]

Think that's likely to be one less season ticket for United next season.
Enough of the half-truths, cock-ups, player sales, piss-taking.
I also think it probably is now time for change at the very top and time for new owners.

 

[AJM]

I would imagine they didn't send a scout to West Brom then

They can't have seen him at WBA then

Great minds?

 

[Micalijo]

Come on Micalijo, get off the Anti Blackwell horse for one minute.

Nobody knows that Blackwell has chosen to build his plans around loan players. I'm sure he'd much rather have permanent deals like the rest of us. Someone in the club has made the decision and no doubt Blackie reluctantly went along with it.. because there was probably no other choice!

My problem with this is that Spurs have loaned two fullbacks on the transfer deadline day then at the last minute recalled Walker when we had no time to find a replacement.

Why didn't they recall before Monday? This would give us a chance to sort something out.

Why didn't they let him play tonight and recall him tomorrow?

Whether it was a 6 month loan with an extension or a season long loan is irrelevant. My issue is that its not been managed very well.

Sorry Swiss but I aint having it - Spurs can do whatever they like, you cannot rely on anyone and it's wrong to blame Spurs for not doing this earlier. Maybe they couldn't shift Hutton and Naughton until Boro got money for Johnson? Who knows, but you can't blame Spurs for this.

And in terms of our planning, KB spent £3m on Ched and £400k on Taylor. That is more than enough to buy a few permanent, half decent CCC players if you know what you are doing. I'm not saying we turn down the chance to sign Walker on loan but we can't rely on Spurs or anyone.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Think that's likely to be one less season ticket for United next season.
Enough of the half-truths, cock-ups, player sales, piss-taking.
I also think it probably is now time for change at the very top and time for new owners.

What the fuck has this got to do with the owners?

Spurs have recalled their player with 50 mins to go before the deadline. What could we have done different?

Personally I don't think we will miss you at the Lane next season. I do have a nagging feeling that we will see you here again next season posting about the games.

KB spent £3m on Ched

There it goes again, even Len now admits we didn't spend £3 Million on Ched. Highly unlikely to be any more than half that.

He was a loan player and we can get someone in next week on loan to replace him. I would say it also sheds a little light on Blackwells comments about Roy Hodgson being a man of his word and letting us have Kalio. Anyone else get the impression that maybe someone else hasn't been as good as their word?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Sorry Swiss but I aint having it - Spurs can do whatever they like, you cannot rely on anyone and it's wrong to blame Spurs for not doing this earlier. Maybe they couldn't shift Hutton and Naughton until Boro got money for Johnson? Who knows, but you can't blame Spurs for this.

And in terms of our planning, KB spent £3m on Ched and £400k on Taylor. That is more than enough to buy a few permanent, half decent CCC players if you know what you are doing. I'm not saying we turn down the chance to sign Walker on loan but we can't rely on Spurs or anyone.

Kyle N's deal went through around 12.30, Johnson's sale was agreed at around 2.30. Hutton's loan to Sunderland wasn't finally confirmed until after the deadline so it seems it was this one that was probably key to Kyle going back given they contacted us after 4pm.

Re the rights and wrongs, we'll have to wait until there's something official (if indeed there is), as we keep saying, both clubs confirmed it was season long, this seems obviously not to be the case.

Of course Tottenham can do whatever they want (within the rules) but that doesn't make what they've done right or mean that we (as a club) haven't been shafted by it.

 

[lenners]

What the fuck has this got to do with the owners?

Spurs have recalled their player with 50 mins to go before the deadline. What could we have done different?

Personally I don't think we will miss you at the Lane next season. I do have a nagging feeling that we will see you here again next season posting about the games.



There it goes again, even Len now admits we didn't spend £3 Million on Ched. Highly unlikely to be any more than half that.

He was a loan player and we can get someone in next week on loan to replace him. I would say it also sheds a little light on Blackwells comments about Roy Hodgson being a man of his word and letting us have Kalio. Anyone else get the impression that maybe someone else hasn't been as good as their word?

The owners sold them, the owners got us in a situation where this could happen, the owners were happy for everyone to believe Walker was here for the season, the owners are responsible for creating a team in which the only player worth watching can go 50 minutes before the closing of the window.
As for Ched, I can only advise you to look in the accounts as I think you've been advised to do several times now.
We sold Walker for £2m, spent more on Evans and look at where we are now.
The club's a fucking joke.

 

[Micalijo]

What do you mean Jim by doesn't make it 'right'.

Quite obviously, they have done nothing wrong. They've looked at the rules and taken him back. We would have no problem doing the same with someone we had loaned out who was needed back.

As Len says, it's the total lack of regard for the fans. Walker was just about the only reason to get excited about watching Utd (even though he aint our player) and that has gone. SUFC should have explained this as a possibility in my opinion.

 

[Houso]

Sorry Swiss but I aint having it - Spurs can do whatever they like, you cannot rely on anyone and it's wrong to blame Spurs for not doing this earlier. Maybe they couldn't shift Hutton and Naughton until Boro got money for Johnson? Who knows, but you can't blame Spurs for this.

And in terms of our planning, KB spent £3m on Ched and £400k on Taylor. That is more than enough to buy a few permanent, half decent CCC players if you know what you are doing. I'm not saying we turn down the chance to sign Walker on loan but we can't rely on Spurs or anyone.

If it was us who'd recalled a player out of the blue 50 minutes prior to the deadline, you'd be slagging us off to high heaven.

 

[AJM]

The owners sold them, the owners got us in a situation where this could happen, the owners were happy for everyone to believe Walker was here for the season, the owners are responsible for creating a team in which the only player worth watching can go 50 minutes before the closing of the window.
As for Ched, I can only advise you to look in the accounts as I think you've been advised to do several times now.
We sold Walker for £2m, spent more on Evans and look at where we are now.
The club's a fucking joke.

Sixth?
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