Comparisons with Southampton 2010/11

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I was certain Adkins would get us promoted when we appointed him. But within weeks that was tempered and concern began to set in.

I don't buy that it's the boards fault all the time. We've had very little choice but to sell our best players, it's what happens when you're in League 1 this long.
We're the biggest club in this division and pay higher wages than nearly all of them too (Wigan perhaps the only exception to this). We are an attractive option at this level. Yet, teams with less resource seem to be more adept in the transfer market than us. Though this isn't hard.

What on earth was Nigel Adkins doing not signing a goalkeeper and some defenders? Did he genuinely look at any of our games from last season as part of his preparation? Consult with Morgan and the like? What was going on this summer? This mistake was gross negligence, the subsequent results make it an almost sackable offence. His CV means that we is being given (and rightly so in my opinion) more time. But this isn't going to get any better, certainly not before January when we may (finally) bring in players in the right positions. Worryingly though his signings thus far have been poor and he may have given the board a reason to consider holding back some funds from him (after all, we gave Clough far too much to spend in the end, it was almost Robsoneque wastage of funds relative to our current predicament).

Ultimately the biggest reason we're failing though is because the players are a bunch of losers with no ambition. I'm saddened to see the deterioration of Matt Done, my favourite Blades player because of his exceptional work rate, determination (for the team and himself) and his drive to win football games. But it seems the rot is spreading and now even he seems to look lethargic and disinterested.
Ultimately the difference between ourselves and Southampton? We have a poor mix of young, arrogant players who seem to think they've already made it or are happy where they are (McGahey, Scougall, McNulty, Baxter), old players who have never achieved anything, lack the drive to win anything,and are incredibly lucky to be where they are (Howard, Collins, Higdon, Sammon) and injury prone players (Harris, Flynn, Coutts, Wallace to name a few).

What's left is Brayford (injured), Freeman, Adams (even he has had silly indiscretions this season) and Billy Sharp. Murphy and Maguire were sold. So this leaves us with only 4 players, with the attitude and ability to walk into a Championship squad and add value above "emergency cover."
 



Oh yes, He'd certainly have done that!

He'd have recruited a full squad too.
Don't know why Adkins hasn't.

It's almost as if his hands are tied.
That shouldn't excuse his extremely poor show for the 5 his hands weren't tied for.
 
But you have to admit, in hindsight, that Adkins had some real gems, albeit unpolished, at his disposal at Southampton. It takes some leap of faith to imagine any of our squad being in he same bracket as a Lallana or Oxlade-Chamberlain in 4/5 years time. Once the switch was flicked at St Mary's, it lit up like Tokyo. In comparison, we are a Christmas Tree in a rest home.

Of course the argument that Adkins did this at Scunthorpe with far lesser tools at his disposal is a valid one, and one we really have to cling onto at the moment.
we have potential gems in adams reed and a couple of the under 21s
one day it will come good , who knows when, is the bit we dont know

a daft catalyst like say winning some non descript JPT trophy could trigger it
 
If the Southampton squad were so good way back in 2011 why was Pardew unable to get them promoted?
One could claim that the reason is Pardew's incompetence and yet here he is back in the Premiership and looking like a future candidate for the England managers job.
Because in his first season they had a ten point deduction. In his second season they started poorly so they sacked him. I think the owner found him arrogant and abrasive.
You'd only claim it was due to his incompetence if you had no awareness of the situation at all.
The only time you can viably call someone incompetent is a situation like Weir, where ALL the evidence demonstrated he had no idea and there was NO evidence to the contrary. I don't rate Wilson as a manager but he's not incompetent, he wouldn't have worked as a manager for as long as he has.
 
That shouldn't excuse his extremely poor show for the 5 his hands weren't tied for.

It's only your opinion that all 5 are 'an extremely poor show' and if he's restricted on what he can spend because of how much the previous manager spent then of course it's a factor.

You'd have to have a massive agenda not to see that.
 
Some of us were pointing this out before Adkins was appointed as a reason why we shouldn't all get into a mass circlejerk by counting the number of promotions

Nothing better than an "I told you so" post disguised as "some of us".
 
Because in his first season they had a ten point deduction. In his second season they started poorly so they sacked him. I think the owner found him arrogant and abrasive.
You'd only claim it was due to his incompetence if you had no awareness of the situation at all.
The only time you can viably call someone incompetent is a situation like Weir, where ALL the evidence demonstrated he had no idea and there was NO evidence to the contrary. I don't rate Wilson as a manager but he's not incompetent, he wouldn't have worked as a manager for as long as he has.

BUT THAT STILL DOESNT EXPLAIN HOW aDKINS SUDDENLY GOT THEM TO GEL
 
It's only your opinion that all 5 are 'an extremely poor show' and if he's restricted on what he can spend because of how much the previous manager spent then of course it's a factor.

You'd have to have a massive agenda not to see that.
Do you think the money spent on the signings he made wouldn't have been enough for 5 of a much better standard? Preferably done with at least some acknowledgement of priorities.

It was poorly spent in what is a very poor period of management.
 
Do you think the money spent on the signings he made wouldn't have been enough for 5 of a much better standard? Preferably done with at least some acknowledgement of priorities.

It was poorly spent in what is a very poor period of mangement.

How much money did he spend?
That's kind of an integral part.

And going on last season, being able to score goals was a priority.
 
How much money did he spend?
That's kind of an integral part.

And going on last season, being able to score goals was a priority.
Just compare the money spent by some of our rivals in this league. Then compare league positions.
 



Just compare the money spent by some of our rivals in this league. Then compare league positions.

And you don't acknowledge that poor recruitment by Clough has any bearing on the recruitment Adkins has been able to do?
 
looking back the list of Saints players exactly where we are now were as well known as ours are now after 14 games of that season

schneiderling got the same stick on their forums as hammond gets up till the good run started

24 points from their first 16 games.....and then just 33 from their first 23. Wow. If we only got 9 points from our next 7 games, well it doesn't bear thinking about.

They amassed 92 points in the end - that's 59 points from their second lot of 23 games. The magic dust was certainly found by Mr Adkins.

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And you don't acknowledge that poor recruitment by Clough has any bearing on the recruitment Adkins has been able to do?
Not in the 5 he signed, no.

It was enough to be able to improve the squad significantly, and he fucked it up.
 
People keep saying we've got no money but since the prince came in we've bought loads of players most notable of those are sharp, brayford and done all of whom must have commanded a fee and decent wages. Yes we've sold macguire last season and murphy this season but I personally don't think the money we've had for them covers what we've laid out.

We've been doing this for years though. Sell one very good player and buy 3-4 shit ones. You would have thought we'd have learned by now this tactic isn't working. No one is "pocketing the money" it's all being laid out on a massive squad full of shit players.
 
24 points from their first 16 games.....and then just 33 from their first 23. Wow. If we only got 9 points from our next 7 games, well it doesn't bear thinking about.

They amassed 92 points in the end - that's 59 points from their second lot of 23 games. The magic dust was certainly found by Mr Adkins.

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I hope he's not thinking of getting his magic dust from Jose.
 
as usual what quality we have brought in fell to the injury curse we seem to have , leaving us too often with the stand by squad members
 
did any one really see Saints doing it , or bournemouth

their fans after 16 games would have been as sceptical as you are

they were both falling short of expectation , losing willy nilly
conceding at bad times then , a switch flicked
its not my optimism its what happened

Those are quite irrelevant comments. The focal point of our debate was whether this team could realistically repeat those achievements or similar.

I'm pretty sure as shit they won't and I think anyone with a grasp of reality would agree. If I'm wrong this time in two years I will stop posting on this forum for good. You can hold me to that.
 
Those are quite irrelevant comments. The focal point of our debate was whether this team could realistically repeat those achievements or similar.

I'm pretty sure as shit they won't and I think anyone with a grasp of reality would agree. If I'm wrong this time in two years I will stop posting on this forum for good. You can hold me to that.

why are they irrelevant
lots of teams have come from nowhere to get automatic , teams thats started as bad or worse
Brentford , brighton saints bournemouth and many more started badly but then found their rythym
it needs a sustained run to go up and theres time for any team to put one together , even us
 
Yeh that's it. Gets us every time :rolleyes:
all our injuries are always our top 8 players , never the subs
started with our first ever million pound player , lasted 8 minutes
last season in prem center forward breaks leg at chelsea, , could have been Davies , but no , its not now and again its all the fecking time
 
you miss the point the others mentioned started just as badly
and played in as non auto winning performance way as we have ,,,, so far

The division was a lot stronger that season, I remember it. Southampton also didn't play anywhere near as badly as we have. The potential was always very apparent....not so for us.

I'm not going to debate this with you any longer. The contrast between the two teams is clear.
 



The division was a lot stronger that season, I remember it. Southampton also didn't play anywhere near as badly as we have. The potential was always very apparent....not so for us.

I'm not going to debate this with you any longer. The contrast between the two teams is clear.

thats your opinion I thought it was a< bag of crap league that year
did you attend saints matches when they started badly , how do you know they werent as bad , your guessing
 

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