Clough speaks on lack of deadline day movement...

[Revolution]

No you're wrong Daz, we should be in a panic and throwing money at it like it's gone out of fashion. We should be spending like Man Utd did and a £6m loan deal with £250k a week salary on a crock, or agree a fee double of what he's worth for a winger from Madrid. Or even better, spunk away £12m on an average forward like Southampton did. Spend, spend, spend it works, 'Arry won Portsmouth the FA Cup doing it, so worth it!

Who is saying this? The strawmen you mentioned the other week who are happy when we lose?

Jesus wept.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Who is saying this? The strawmen you mentioned the other week who are happy when we lose?

Jesus wept.

No, I said it. And a few on here have said we should be spending over the odds. Hell there's even a poll where you can vote that we do that. How did you vote?

It's all sliding scales after you make that decision. Spending a bit more for Man Utd is as I said, as is the case for Southampton. Seems that people want us to do the same, only at Division 1 level spending.

 

[metalblade]

Ah, one of the chief antagonists....I bet you were a wonder at school, always telling the teachers how to do their job, and because they couldn't get a word in sideways you've gone through life assuming that what leaves your lips has worth..

If something beyond a couple of sentences is beyond you, the answer is simple, don't read it. Can I ask, does the society you refer to have a reason why the word plain is in lower case? Just asking like. Maybe rushing your reply shouldn't depend on your fit of indignation.

I am disappointed, there was me thinking I was on your ignore list seeing as a different viewpoint antagonises you so much. Ahh well keep on moaning about other peoples punctuation when they don't agree with you and think about how clever you are as you crack one off sad man.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I am disappointed, there was me thinking I was on your ignore list seeing as a different viewpoint antagonises you so much. Ahh well keep on moaning about other peoples punctuation when they don't agree with you and think about how clever you are as you crack one off sad man.

I've no reason to put you on ignore, sometimes a dose of the predictable does no harm in reminding us what really matters.

Being unpleasant comes easily to you, as well as the assumptions you make (wrong on that count I should add) about my perceptions about myself. As for, how did you put it, cracking one off? My, what fantasies you must have. Is that what you do, think about posters stroking their cocks?

The fact that you're disappointed just adds to the malaise you're in, where you give yourself the type of status that allows you to consider yourself important enough for myself, or anyone else, to want to push the 'ignore' option. You don't cross my thoughts, whereas the idea of other poster's 'cracking one off' is something that interests you. Well, whatever gets you going I suppose, maybe you'd like to share in this list of posters you imagine 'cracking one off', or is this a deeply personal piece of erotica for you?

 

[itsinyerblood]

I agree but it is far less a problem on here than a certain other forum. At least the moderators on here step in to maintain certain standards.

Woodwardfan, agree there Woody. You are, presumably, referring to BM? You're completely right about the moderators here, they respond when it's appropriate which is fair and reasonable. If I recall, you were hassled by someone on BM, whereas on here, although we all meet with disagreement at some point, it's generally healthy and not personal.

 

[itsinyerblood]

What's the punctuation mate, is it an app?

Latters, that actually made me laugh.

 

[Zanzibar]

Having followed the forum posts over the last two or three days, the one outstanding omission that stands out amongst the majority of those who believe that the club should act in a near suicidal manner when it comes to spending 'big' in order to secure promotion, is the absence of context when it comes to how spending patterns can come back to haunt you unless you are completely at ease with the way spend now and pay later works. I see that Clough and the board have been referred to as liars, probably as hysterical a statement as I've read on this forum. Yes, hysterical! It's the type of infantile nonsense that follows when the uninformed have no other way to express themselves than by having outbursts that are intended to wound.

There's a small-ish group on here who would be quite happy for the club to go into debt no matter what the consequences. One poster on here mentioned the club was in debt. When I pointed out that this wasn't the case the fragility of this poster bordered on a classic passive-aggressive position of repeating the same question, over and over. It seems that pointing this out to the poster was completely the wrong thing to do, which underlines the analogy of infantilism, this lot of hysterical shouters aren't interested in ensuring the club don't return to a position where it might stand on the brink of a financial nightmare, no, this doesn't matter at all to them that the idea of bankruptcy could actually happen. They probably think this happens to other clubs, and that SUFC is exempt from the rules of business that affect every one else.

Silly terms are banded about on here, thinking things through appears to be followed by the use of the word 'clapper', as if applying one's grey matter was somehow a crime. Well it might be for them, but there are those of us who grasp the reality that having got ourselves on a good financial footing we should then commence to screw up all the good work that put us in that position. It's not so much a case of 'in Clough we trust', but more a case of I appreciate why it's important not to compromise ourselves even though other clubs appear willing to do so. These clubs, these bastions of wayward economics, seem to be the ones our posters point towards as examples of how to run a business. Give it time darlings, wait and see where this profligate attitude gets these clubs. Try and have a little perspective based on the next 3-5 years, that is if you can keep your blood pressure down.

The flow of short, pithy, posts that are sneering and full of contempt for a considered point of view soon get lost within a matter of minutes. I just wish these same posters could see beyond their own limited opinions and attitudes and appreciate that there might just be a reason for things that exist outside of their own perspectives.....but I doubt this will happen, and that what we'll continue to get are the same hysterical, threatening posts that impress no one, other than tell us that there's a correct way to run a business and then there's their way.

I don't think that this club actually can get into debt at the moment since we are backed substantially by a middle east source. If we had to pay over the odds for a player(s) it depends what those odds are, and in any case other clubs now know that we are well backed. That is a problem we will have again and again.
Somehow three teams get promoted every year from this division; some teams have bought their way out, have a mix of home grown and bought players and a manager who has gelled them together....sometimes in one season.
We are now in our fourth season and something has to happen fairly soon if we are to keep our fan base reasonably happy.
Clough has made mistakes in the close season re quality of player incoming and retained so he has some ground to make up for me.
I am still happy with Clough being at this club but he does seem a bit on the cautious side.

 

[davidpinder]

I can not quite understand this obsession some people have with not spending to much in the transfer market. The bottom line remains that you need to spend to get out, Clough said himself I need 2 or 3 more to have a squad capable of mounting a promotion challenge that means spending more than we have already. The way I see it now is we haven't got that squad and Clough isn't confident that means there is a very big chance we won't go up once again and next season will enter season number 5 in division 3. I am a big believe in spending to get out of this division not big money but enough to get out and we would surely get that money straight back in TV revenue and bigger crowds the following season.? I fear if we don't do it this season we will see a massive drop in season ticket sales and crowds in general and therefore we will surely have to sell some of our best players and would not be in a position to get in replacements.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I don't think that this club actually can get into debt at the moment since we are backed substantially by a middle east source. If we had to pay over the odds for a player(s) it depends what those odds are, and in any case other clubs now know that we are well backed. That is a problem we will have again and again.
Somehow three teams get promoted every year from this division; some teams have bought their way out, have a mix of home grown and bought players and a manager who has gelled them together....sometimes in one season.
We are now in our fourth season and something has to happen fairly soon if we are to keep our fan base reasonably happy.
Clough has made mistakes in the close season re quality of player incoming and retained so he has some ground to make up for me.
I am still happy with Clough being at this club but he does seem a bit on the cautious side.

Fair comments Zanzibar, and worth looking at.

As for paying over the odds, we supporters rely on the judgement of our manager and directors to do what they think is in the club's best interests. I've never considered anyone, let alone Clough, as infallible. Ferguson made mistakes at Man Utd, so it's the overall package that a manager brings with him that matters. My take on NC is that we're in good hands. Whether he's made poor signings time will tell. We had a couple of 'going nowhere' players in Murphy and Flynn until we appointed Clough, now Murphy is regarded as one of our best attacking players, all due to Clough's influence. JCR was one who had a question mark hanging over his head when it was announced we'd signed him. Some on here said that they couldn't see any difference between him and whatsisname we sent back to Walsall, yet now there seems to be a view that JCR is a shoe-in for the first team, I wonder if Clough gets the praise he deserves for that decision?

What you say is correct, it'll depend entirely on how much Clough wants a player if we're to consider paying more than their market value? I also agree that we should be looking at this season as a test of the club's desire to compete for one of the promotion places. Personally, I don't care what position it is as long as we're in the Championship next season.

One comment, not yours I might add, about what other clubs do is to forget to mention that parachute payments are a significant part of what they are able to do when competing for a player's signature.

The clamour that has revealed itself in the last few days does little for me. It has all the purpose of a lynch-mob and as much coherence. The sale of Harry was unwelcome, but if a player is determined to go, and doesn't want to play for this club, then I'll support the decision to let him go. No idea what Harry received as a wage while he was here, but it could be that he's on, just for argument's sake, £15K per week? Not a figure to be sniffed at, and a big influence for the lad to consider.

Overall it's early days for me. Our form seems to be picking up, yes, we're not convincing up front, but the team seem to be doing well, just ask the teams they've played against lately. Assuming we're headed in the direction we all hope, promotion and beyond, then the supporter's can look forward to seeing wholesale comings and goings at the club. I don't think anyone should underestimate Clough or his desire to make a success of this opportunity he's been given. And I've no doubt that the hysteria we're witnessing at the moment will rise to a shriek as we fail to buy anyone valued at extortionate prices.

 

[super_pig]

There's a small-ish group on here who would be quite happy for the club to go into debt no matter what the consequences. One poster on here mentioned the club was in debt. When I pointed out that this wasn't the case the fragility of this poster bordered on a classic passive-aggressive position of repeating the same question, over and over.

i believe you are talking about me. i prefixed the post with i am not a knocker i am just interested. i believe the term that we are looking for is 'investment'.. speculate to accumulate.
noone is suggesting that we should go mental. people are simply asking 'do we need a couple of new players'. that is all some of us are asking. a fair enough question i think especially where strikers are concerned ie we don't have a decent one. we will see. the only 'hysteria' seems to be coming from you defending this position
passive aggressive. that's a very fancy term for me trying not to lose my temper. good work mate

 

[itsinyerblood]

i believe you are talking about me. i prefixed the post with i am not a knocker i am just interested. i believe the term that we are looking for is 'investment'.. speculate to accumulate. noone is suggesting that we should go mental. passive agressive. that's a very fancy term for me trying not to lose my temper. good work.

Well spotted SP.

Funnily, I happen to agree with the speculate line, but far too often I read comments that are clearly based on spending in ways that are destined to create financial chaos for us. The nub of this centres around attracting the sort of quality we'd all like to see at t'Lane. Trouble is, it's just not the fee. it's the signing on figure, then the wages which can be phenomenal. I hope at some point that will become our norm, as it'll mean we've progressed and are in a position to attract players of a far higher quality. But right now? Not as confident as some are. I get the argument that one or two better quality players could make the difference, and maybe we'll still see the club do the unthinkable and go for broke, I just hope they don't take that phrase to heart.

 

[super_pig]

you have me wrong mate. i don't want us to do a Portsmouth

 

[alcoblade]

I can not quite understand this obsession some people have with not spending to much in the transfer market. The bottom line remains that you need to spend to get out, Clough said himself I need 2 or 3 more to have a squad capable of mounting a promotion challenge that means spending more than we have already. The way I see it now is we haven't got that squad and Clough isn't confident that means there is a very big chance we won't go up once again and next season will enter season number 5 in division 3. I am a big believe in spending to get out of this division not big money but enough to get out and we would surely get that money straight back in TV revenue and bigger crowds the following season.? I fear if we don't do it this season we will see a massive drop in season ticket sales and crowds in general and therefore we will surely have to sell some of our best players and would not be in a position to get in replacements.

Let's be clear, we should be worried about spending too much, there is no money tree. That's what landed us here in the first place. Of course, more doesn't have to mean too much.

UTB

 

[metalblade]

I have searched high and low on this forum but have yet to find the post where someone says we should spend millions and then more millions on players to get us out of league one. Spending less than £100k can be way too much if the player is the wrong side of 30. Good young players can be found who cost a bit more than we want to pay but if they progress and get better we have a player who in a few years is worth millions should we need to sell him. Certain posters typify Sheffield United, too scared to make even a small investment and come up with the same lame arsed excuses and scare tactics of financial suicide, bankruptcy blah blah. Other clubs spend money on players why is it so dangerous for us to spend even moderate amounts on players to improve the team ? To be fair only a few clubs who have gone totally stupid with their spending have gone into receivership and even they are still here, not a single one has gone out of existence as a certain hysterical poster would have you believe.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If you were a player, would you willingly drop a division to a club who say they are aiming for promotion, yet have failed in recent years? Just as deep down most of us would have taken the money as HM has, would you take a cut? This is why the correct loan players can work.

I think we will get a few decent loans in and ship a few out, players can be released from contracts and it happens more these days especially lower down. How many people had heard of John Brayford and Conor Coady before they came here? There will be other players such as that out there, that's why NC is doing what he does and we are all on here between doing what we do for a living.

Spot on. There was zero chance in January that the Brayford transfer could have been a permanent one - he pretty much said in his first interview that the fact it was NC in charge, and temporary, meant it could happen. And from our point of view, him being frozen out at Cardiff meant there wasn't a lot of interest in him. I think we're a much more attractive club to join temporarily than we were at the start of the year, and we could really use this to our advantage in the loan market this season. Brayford's circumstances have changed obviously, but there will be players of similar high quality who aren't in the picture at their clubs - and we're in a decent position to attract them in.