Clough must go now

[JJ Sefton]

Third Division and scrapping to get into the play offs, that's not a bad achievement for the club. What do folk expect?

 

[Blade56]

Third Division and scrapping to get into the play offs, that's not a bad achievement for the club. What do folk expect?

They expect us stop over reacting and give it time like we have for the past 5 years, like that's worked. Some call us slashers, I call us ninja realists who expect more from this club.

If the prince, Mccabe, Jim and Baki don't do something after Clough has used their money so unwisely they don't care and we will be after new owners soon.

They have tasted success with the Patriots, wonder how they feel about a dwindling 3rd division side?

 

[Superblade7]

Like many have pointed out it's likely he'll get to the end of the season but then anything other than promotion should bring questions from the Board. We all know the striker is an issue but like others have said, it's the formation that's killing us along with the player merry go round of team selection. All the successful sides have a settled team and a strong spine. Our team has neither as its changed each week and neither the players or fans know what to expect.

Nigel needs to decide what his best 11 is and stick with it for a few games on the trot. He also needs to stop being stubborn with his formation and have a plan A, B and C and have the ability to mix it up during games and make game changing substitutions. From what I've seen at the Lane this year he doesn't have anything other than plan A.

The most worrying thing is how many games I've seen this year where we have hardly any shots on target. Striker issue aside, our goal difference is awful and whichever players are on the pitch need to be encouraged to have a crack and stop just playing it around midfield. I'm not a massive fan of Higdon but I'd be inclined to play 2 upfront with him as one as whilst he's not the most gifted of players, he puts himself about and works defenders which will then give the other frontman more opportunities, be it Murphy, Done or McNulty.

Roll on Tuesday and 4-5-1!

 

[Lane Ender]

Just heard his after match comments.
"Let's take the point and get on the bus"
Says it all dos'nt it.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

Until Clough shows an ability to adapt and move away from wanting to win every match 1 - 0, we will never get promoted

 

[The Bohemian]

We certainly don't seem to be doing any better than we were under Danny Wilson

Actually, we're doing about the same, a bit better or slightly worse depending on how you choose to view things. Overall, Wilson won 52% of all his matches in charge, whereas Clough is currently on 50%.

Closer scrutiny, focusing just on Pub League games and the Ched factor, gives a different perspective:

Wilson with Evans won 63% of the league matches he was in charge. This dropped to 41% without Evans.

Cloughie, meanwhile is on a 43% league game win rate, to date.

Wilson failed to effectively replace Ched (which cost him his job) and Cloughie has failed similarly in his quest for a decent front line striker. Does this make either or both of them bad managers? Or are good strikers hard to come by?


Wilson with Ched - 63%
Wilson without Ched - 41%

Clough 2013/14 - 44%
Clough 2014/15 - 42%

 

[ScoobBlade]

Just heard his after match comments.
"Let's take the point and get on the bus"
Says it all dos'nt it.

He stated he thought this with 4 mins left on the clock, that is just common sense with how it was going. He wanted the win but as professionals they should have known to preserve what they had, go away and lick their wounds. Seems logical given the time left and how it ultimately finished

 

[YES Blade]

Actually, we're doing about the same, a bit better or slightly worse depending on how you choose to view things. Overall, Wilson won 52% of all his matches in charge, whereas Clough is currently on 50%.

Closer scrutiny, focusing just on Pub League games and the Ched factor, gives a different perspective:

Wilson with Evans won 63% of the league matches he was in charge. This dropped to 41% without Evans.

Cloughie, meanwhile is on a 43% league game win rate, to date.

Wilson failed to effectively replace Ched (which cost him his job) and Cloughie has failed similarly in his quest for a decent front line striker. Does this make either or both of them bad managers? Or are good strikers hard to come by?


Wilson with Ched - 63%
Wilson without Ched - 41%

Clough 2013/14 - 44%
Clough 2014/15 - 42%

Wasn't Nick Blackman a decent replacement for Ched?

 

[Davie Blade]

Like many have pointed out it's likely he'll get to the end of the season but then anything other than promotion should bring questions from the Board. We all know the striker is an issue but like others have said, it's the formation that's killing us along with the player merry go round of team selection. All the successful sides have a settled team and a strong spine. Our team has neither as its changed each week and neither the players or fans know what to expect.

Nigel needs to decide what his best 11 is and stick with it for a few games on the trot. He also needs to stop being stubborn with his formation and have a plan A, B and C and have the ability to mix it up during games and make game changing substitutions. From what I've seen at the Lane this year he doesn't have anything other than plan A.

The most worrying thing is how many games I've seen this year where we have hardly any shots on target. Striker issue aside, our goal difference is awful and whichever players are on the pitch need to be encouraged to have a crack and stop just playing it around midfield. I'm not a massive fan of Higdon but I'd be inclined to play 2 upfront with him as one as whilst he's not the most gifted of players, he puts himself about and works defenders which will then give the other frontman more opportunities, be it Murphy, Done or McNulty.

Roll on Tuesday and 4-5-1!

Perfect post, you only missed out on adding DDG to play with Higdon.
Higdon and DDG would be really interesting to see playing together and build up an understanding. They caused Preston a lot of problems.
Not that NC has any idea of why the same players should be playing regularly together, that's not in his DNA, never has been never will be.

That is why he will continue to be so unsuccessful in the league.
After 15 consecutive years of management the messiah has only once got a club above 5th! FACT

 

[grafikhaus]

Until Clough shows an ability to adapt and move away from wanting to win every match 1 - 0, we will never get promoted

As NC's managerial career began in October 1998 - going on seventeen years - what makes you think he's suddenly going to have a 'light bulb moment'?

 

[Ben_1982]

He needs to stop tinkering and get a settled side. McEverley is a total liability, even slowing at turning than Harry but he had talent to make up for that

 

[The Bohemian]

Wasn't Nick Blackman a decent replacement for Ched?

Yes, he scored 11 in the 28 league games he played for us, but our win ratio was still only 43%. You could argue that Cloughie's similar record, without a comparable front line striker, (McNulty is a poacher but cannot play with his back to goal) holds more promise, i.e. if/when we sort out the striker problem most of us expect a big improvement.

 

[Blade56]

As NC's managerial career began in October 1998 - going on seventeen years - what makes you think he's suddenly going to have a 'light bulb moment'?

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Surely we have maintenance men to change light bulbs ffs, penny pinching, no wonder things are so bad if he's changing bulbs and unblocking Higdons logs while the team are out training. Who does the dusting Morgan?

 

[Bart the Blade]

How long have we been saying this Bart, no more looking like going on a run than anyone else around us.

I completely understand what your saying, however calling for his head without getting some form of system in place with new come-ers at his disposal would be a waste. Granted I would be fully behind you in a month or so should things not turn around. I am hopeful cloughy will get us going. He needs to, or I'm afraid things will get nasty for him.

 

[alcoblade]

Actually, we're doing about the same, a bit better or slightly worse depending on how you choose to view things. Overall, Wilson won 52% of all his matches in charge, whereas Clough is currently on 50%.

Closer scrutiny, focusing just on Pub League games and the Ched factor, gives a different perspective:

Wilson with Evans won 63% of the league matches he was in charge. This dropped to 41% without Evans.

Cloughie, meanwhile is on a 43% league game win rate, to date.

Wilson failed to effectively replace Ched (which cost him his job) and Cloughie has failed similarly in his quest for a decent front line striker. Does this make either or both of them bad managers? Or are good strikers hard to come by?


Wilson with Ched - 63%
Wilson without Ched - 41%

Clough 2013/14 - 44%
Clough 2014/15 - 42%

Good post.

Obviously strikers are hard to come by, but if you buy a midfielder every time one's offered, you're not leaving much in the kitty for a striker.

And clubs on a fraction of our resource seem to manage.

I think our lack of strikers says more about the importance Clough puts on attack. Not remotely enough, hence the bang average track record.

UTB

 

[gavtheblade]

Negative football home and away all season is no good. We should be going to teams and taking the game to them.

If we change now we might still have a chance of scraping in the play offs.

Clough said we had a run of games which were winnable , good start to that. We had the run in November & December were most of the games were at home, we managed to draw a few of them which is no good for promotion.

Change get rid of this clown

Dogger posting

 

[Lane Ender]

He stated he thought this with 4 mins left on the clock, that is just common sense with how it was going. He wanted the win but as professionals they should have known to preserve what they had, go away and lick their wounds. Seems logical given the time left and how it ultimately finished

Surely you can see through that , he's trying to nick results instead of being positive and attacking trying to win games.
Ok Clough carry on but we'll be in this league next season a point at this stage of the season is no good.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I think Cloughy will be given until the end of next season and I'm hoping the new pitch will help and support the way the team prefers to play and we should see a much better overall home win rate which would be a start.

Of course it should help the opposition as well and we may see more open games which gives us a better chance anyway.

Against PNE in the cup, within a few minutes of the match starting, I thought we were struggling with the pitch as in trying to run through treacle. Certainly that seems to me to be how they looked as if they were running on the pitch.

If we are still in this league then, well ...

Sacking him now, or anytime soon, is just bonkers.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Actually, we're doing about the same, a bit better or slightly worse depending on how you choose to view things. Overall, Wilson won 52% of all his matches in charge, whereas Clough is currently on 50%.

Closer scrutiny, focusing just on Pub League games and the Ched factor, gives a different perspective:

Wilson with Evans won 63% of the league matches he was in charge. This dropped to 41% without Evans.

Cloughie, meanwhile is on a 43% league game win rate, to date.

Wilson failed to effectively replace Ched (which cost him his job) and Cloughie has failed similarly in his quest for a decent front line striker. Does this make either or both of them bad managers? Or are good strikers hard to come by?


Wilson with Ched - 63%
Wilson without Ched - 41%

Clough 2013/14 - 44%
Clough 2014/15 - 42%

Wilson failed with players who went on to play in the Prem.
The club was no different when Wilson had left.

Clough is changing the ethos of the club and after he has gone we will be a different animal to when he arrived.
Still not happy with a few things which are the basics and that is a worry, striker problem - how long has that been around, playing for a point - points don't get you up, wins do and a known starting 11.

Blades should be able to rattle off the team without thinking, can anyone name our best 11?

Given the negatives long term I still think we will be stronger when Nigel has finished with us than when he started.

 

[alcoblade]

Wilson failed with players who went on to play in the Prem.
The club was no different when Wilson had left.

Clough is changing the ethos of the club and after he has gone we will be a different animal to when he arrived.
Still not happy with a few things which are the basics and that is a worry, striker problem - how long has that been around, playing for a point - points don't get you up, wins do and a known starting 11.

Blades should be able to rattle off the team without thinking, can anyone name our best 11?

Given the negatives long term I still think we will be stronger when Nigel has finished with us than when he started.

A monkey would leave us stronger than when Weir left though. That surely can't be the measure of him?

Of course, I have to give credit for the ethos shift. That makes yesterday's loss at Gillingham less painful.

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

A monkey would leave us stronger than when Weir left though. That surely can't be the measure of him?

UTB

We're comparing him to Wilson at the moment.

Unfair on Weir to compare him to Clough, comparing Weir to my Mother would be more of a level playing field for Davie boy.

 

[YES Blade]

A monkey would leave us stronger than when Weir left though. That surely can't be the measure of him?

UTB

Add to that he has also been given a very competitive budget for league one.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Actually, we're doing about the same, a bit better or slightly worse depending on how you choose to view things. Overall, Wilson won 52% of all his matches in charge, whereas Clough is currently on 50%.

Closer scrutiny, focusing just on Pub League games and the Ched factor, gives a different perspective:

Wilson with Evans won 63% of the league matches he was in charge. This dropped to 41% without Evans.

Cloughie, meanwhile is on a 43% league game win rate, to date.

Wilson failed to effectively replace Ched (which cost him his job) and Cloughie has failed similarly in his quest for a decent front line striker. Does this make either or both of them bad managers? Or are good strikers hard to come by?


Wilson with Ched - 63%
Wilson without Ched - 41%

Clough 2013/14 - 44%
Clough 2014/15 - 42%

Pity Mr Clough or the coaching staff , don't take time to read your posts . If they have no idea were they are going wrong , they would certainly learn something .

UTB

 

[madeinsheffield]

I've just watched motd I thought they were describing us when talking about Villa; lack of creativity, never going to stand a chance with one up front, safe sideways passes, only two in the box when a cross comes in, shocking scoring record. The list went on.
Something needs changing, I don't want another change of Manager but the Manager needs to play a settled side and attack from the start, get in front, then shut up shop, and I don't mean nicking a 1-0!

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

Clough - not tactically aware enough, too negative, too stubborn etc. A piss poor manager in my opinion but unfortunately he's here to stay. At least the clappers can enjoy clapping mediocrity until the end of the season and then have all the excitement of another bumper thread speculating on next year's kit to look forward to. Yes, that is just about as good as it will ever get with Clough in charge.

It's been said before but the use of the word "clappers" as a shorthand insult to anyone who doesn't subscribe to a sack-the-manager, the-board-are-all-in-it-for-themselves worldview is irritating in the extreme.

 

[Blade56]

I've just watched motd I thought they were describing us when talking about Villa; lack of creativity, never going to stand a chance with one up front, safe sideways passes, only two in the box when a cross comes in, shocking scoring record. The list went on.
Something needs changing, I don't want another change of Manager but the Manager needs to play a settled side and attack from the start, get in front, then shut up shop, and I don't mean nicking a 1-0!

Understand not wanting a change of manager BUT he's known to be single minded, stubborn and my way or the highway. Can't see him making a change to the level neeeded

 

[The Bohemian]

Pity Mr Clough or the coaching staff , don't take time to read your posts . If they have no idea were they are going wrong , they would certainly learn something .

UTB

Ha, thanks for the credit - having coached, managed and chaired, the one thing I know is - it ain't easy!

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Ha, thanks for the credit - having coached, managed and chaired, the one thing I know is - it ain't easy!

The two brothers should have a real heart to heart after sunday lunch , as the way things are going , one will be back running a corner shop , and the other getting under the wifes feet , and watching loose women.

UTB

 

[Blade56]

Ha, thanks for the credit - having coached, managed and chaired, the one thing I know is - it ain't easy!

Hallamshire youth football?

 

[Nade]

I can't help but lol at the fickleness on here.

After Tottenham and Swindon it's "IN NIGEL WE TRUST" and all that, and after a shit result it's back to this. Maybe it's different people but it seems like some change their side more often than a ping pong ball.