Clough insists we are signing 4

[Blade58]

dont understand the forced negativity , Im sure wed offer the right ammount , think they are just loathed to let him go

if we bought him for 1.5 m and we dont make going up that would be first on the list of mistakes . damned if we do damned if we dont

If you wish to believe that we have offered £1.5m for a full back to play in div 3 then that's your perogative

Me personally, don't believe this club, in particular this board, whilst plying our trade in div 3 would bid £1.5m for any player

 

[gavtheblade]

Surely cog is one of the 4,the 2 lads from Derby 'yawn,_2 squad players at best,and no better than what we already have.
The 4 th one, ooooo the suspense.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Clough needs to learn to keep his mouth shut as he will look daft when it doesn't happen, he's already had a moan that the window opened on the 3rd so players couldn't play in the FA cup 3rd round then 2 weeks later still nothing.

I do think Mr Clough does perhaps need to keep his council , until a deal in nailed on definite. There is a air of disappointment with league results , and the JTW talk , only adds fuel to the fire .

Yes , if the board or allocated spokesman said this ,then yes , i would have serious doubts . Mr Clough has no reason to say it , for the sake of saying it , just to appease us fans.

However , he is putting his credibility on the line , if all falls through. He is a thinking mans type of manager , and lets hope he does not regret , what he said . Sometimes its best for the manager to say nowt in these situations , until the deal is signed . sealed and delivered.

Under promise , over deliver , should be the blades motto these days.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

If you wish to believe that we have offered £1.5m for a full back to play in div 3 then that's your perogative

Me personally, don't believe this club, in particular this board, whilst plying our trade in div 3 would bid £1.5m for any player

I dont , but I dont believe we are making derisory bids to not get players in either

 

[Blade58]

I dont , but I dont believe we are making derisory bids to not get players in either

I suppose it depends which way you wish to look at it

Personally, bidding "less than £80k" as confirmed by Jimbob for GMS could be deemed derisory. Our club perhaps thinks otherwise. Dundee Utd may have seen it differently though

 

[blade too long]

was scottish 80k in scotland is like 4 million here you dont go in high do you, local rag said we offered 120k.and more

 

[blade too long]

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/s...-united-to-up-mackay-steven-interest-1.778702

 

[Kenilworth]

He's been reading those Marvel comics again - the Fab Four - it'll be a fantasy

I do think Mr Clough does perhaps need to keep his council , until a deal in nailed on definite. There is a air of disappointment with league results , and the JTW talk , only adds fuel to the fire .
Yes , if the board or allocated spokesman said this ,then yes , i would have serious doubts . Mr Clough has no reason to say it , for the sake of saying it , just to appease us fans.
However , he is putting his credibility on the line , if all falls through. He is a thinking mans type of manager , and lets hope he does not regret , what he said . Sometimes its best for the manager to say nowt in these situations , until the deal is signed . sealed and delivered.
Under promise , over deliver , should be the blades motto these days.

Maybe the unsatisfactory league position is making him very twitchy and he feels the need to offer some form of hope to the fans after royally fucking up the league challenge this term? Unlike our Darren he doesn't wish to get a backlash and if we dip out of both cups this month and continue our tepid league form then the goodwill the fans have stored up for NC is bound to wane a little - This way he can potentially deflect the shit onto the board and Mal Brannigan for not concluding the business. Indeed, by him stating that 4 players are due in next week, isn't he setting a challenge to Mal and the purse string holders to deliver on their promises to him?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

He's been reading those Marvel comics again - the Fab Four - it'll be a fantasy


Maybe the unsatisfactory league position is making him very twitchy and he feels the need to offer some form of hope to the fans after royally fucking up the league challenge this term? Unlike our Darren he doesn't wish to get a backlash and if we dip out of both cups this month and continue our tepid league form then the goodwill the fans have stored up for NC is bound to wane a little - This way he can potentially deflect the shit onto the board and Mal Brannigan for not concluding the business. Indeed, by him stating that 4 players are due in next week, isn't he setting a challenge to Mal and the purse string holders to deliver on their promises to him?

Or theres method in his madness , and he his trying to force the boards hand , like you rightly say .

UTB

 

[Jonboy60]

Wonder whether these 4 players will be better than we have, which Clough said wouldn't happen unless they are better, because there's no point?

Clough's track record with signings this season has been far from impressive imo. Obviously, we all reserve judgement as we might be pleasantly surprised, but I won't be banking on it

I wonder how many managers in recent history have been allowed to bring in 16 players (soon to be 20) in half a season, plus add a couple of academy lads in Reed and Kennedy and still end up with a team that relatively speaking is struggling to stay in touch with the top echelons of the division?

Very disappointing for me.

Out of those 16 players maybe only a hand full decent, more impressed with the academy lads myself.

 

[Blade58]

was scottish 80k in scotland is like 4 million here you dont go in high do you, local rag said we offered 120k.and more

Jim Phipps admiited our first offer was LESS than £80k. See his Facebook.

Why would Jimbob lie? I could understand him telling porkies the other way around, but he admitted we offered less than the reported £80k with our first bid. All subjective, but would you call that derisory for supposedly one of the better players in Scotland and good enough for Celtic to sign him

Anyway, all irrelevant as he f'ked us off

 

[blader]

I wonder how many managers in recent history have been allowed to bring in 16 players (soon to be 20) in half a season

I believe Gregory brought in 15 new players at Crawley in the summer. It's not the quantity of players, it's the quality (and the amount they are paid). We have brought in plenty of players on frees/nominal fees and all from clubs who will pay small wages, so hardly breaking the bank on that either. Clough may not have brought in much great quality, but ultimately that costs money, which we have not spent. I don't care whether people believe this is Clough's or the boards choice (Just can't understand why Clough would make that decision) but the simple fact is money=better players. It's disappointing, but honestly does anyone believe anything that comes out of the club any more?

 

[Blade58]

I believe Gregory brought in 15 new players at Crawley in the summer. It's not the quantity of players, it's the quality (and the amount they are paid). We have brought in plenty of players on frees/nominal fees and all from clubs who will pay small wages, so hardly breaking the bank on that either. Clough may not have brought in much great quality, but ultimately that costs money, which we have not spent. I don't care whether people believe this is Clough's or the boards choice (Just can't understand why Clough would make that decision) but the simple fact is money=better players. It's disappointing, but honestly does anyone believe anything that comes out of the club any more?

I agree, but in view of Clough's comment pre-season of looking to bring in 6-7 players, why did it end up at so many and further more, why not bring in less quantity and more quality. Easier said than done we know, but I'm sure he could have brought in one or two that are of the required quality than we have, rather than be talking about it now when it's too late

And to answer your question, no, it's difficult to trust what we are being fed these days. Everything they say, I find myself analysing to see if there's some double meaning that leads us up the garden path. Can't help it these days. Trust is a big thing

 

[JJBlade]

and how much we offer

£80k anyone?

If we can get all four for £80k I'm sure we'll try very hard to do so.

However, if these signings are really good quality and each of them is worth more than £80k well then the club wont be held to ransom.

Amazing isn't it. How does it feel United boardroom to have the clubs own fans absolutely ridicule you, hope you are as embarrassed as most of our fans have to be everytime one of you f@ckwits opens your gob

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's all part of the long term plan.

Work in progress.
Soon be on Plan B hooray!

plan B; Three up front and ger'it in box?

 

[SwissBlade]

Jim Phipps admiited our first offer was LESS than £80k. See his Facebook.

Why would Jimbob lie? I could understand him telling porkies the other way around, but he admitted we offered less than the reported £80k with our first bid. All subjective, but would you call that derisory for supposedly one of the better players in Scotland and good enough for Celtic to sign him

Anyway, all irrelevant as he f'ked us off

Celtics was more derisory, he signed a pre contract with them meaning Dundee United get how much....

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I agree, but in view of Clough's comment pre-season of looking to bring in 6-7 players, why did it end up at so many and further more, why not bring in less quantity and more quality. Easier said than done we know, but I'm sure he could have brought in one or two that are of the required quality than we have, rather than be talking about it now when it's too late

And to answer your question, no, it's difficult to trust what we are being fed these days. Everything they say, I find myself analysing to see if there's some double meaning that leads us up the garden path. Can't help it these days. Trust is a big thing

In defence of Nige perhaps he was given £3M (just plucked out of no where as an example) and thought that spreading it over 7 division 3 players was a better option than 2/3 division 2 players?

Who to say we wouldn't have done the same managing a division 3 club and felt a stronger squad was more important than three stars?

Personally I'd have blown the lot on strikers.

 

[Bladesway]

Celtics was more derisory, he signed a pre contract with them meaning Dundee United get how much....

Yes but had we stumped up something significant first up Celtic wouldn't have even had to know about it. In, deal done, out. Why rock the boat with a stupid offer and end up doing this......

 

[Bladesway]

In defence of Nige perhaps he was given £3M (just plucked out of no where as an example) and thought that spreading it over 7 division 3 players was a better option than 2/3 division 2 players?

Who to say we wouldn't have done the same managing a division 3 club and felt a stronger squad was more important than three stars?

Personally I'd have blown the lot on strikers.

I'd have gone hookers and drugs but there's your difference.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/s...-united-to-up-mackay-steven-interest-1.778702

That was nine days ago, ship has long sailed.

 

[Rudders]

Personally I'd have blown the lot on strikers.

Hi Neil - how's the tractor?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Jim Phipps admiited our first offer was LESS than £80k. See his Facebook.

Why would Jimbob lie? I could understand him telling porkies the other way around, but he admitted we offered less than the reported £80k with our first bid. All subjective, but would you call that derisory for supposedly one of the better players in Scotland and good enough for Celtic to sign him

Anyway, all irrelevant as he f'ked us off

I'd posted it before but £85K wasn't a bad offer, left loads to offer the player a large signing on fee.

 

[Blade58]

Celtics was more derisory, he signed a pre contract with them meaning Dundee United get how much....

and further to bladesway's post swiss, which I agree with, you could argue Celtics bid wasn't derisory because he doesn't become a Celtic player until the end of the season when in fact he is a free agent and can sign for who he wishes and for nowt

We wanted him now and therefore should've offered a price that at least went some way to meeting DU's valuation, which was mooted to be in the region of £250k
Perhaps as bladesway says, we get in there, be decisive and get the deal done before letting Celtic in on the news we are chasing him

All guesswork I know, but our recent record of bidding for players seems to leave a lot to be desired

 

[SwissBlade]

Yes but had we stumped up something significant first up Celtic wouldn't have even had to know about it. In, deal done, out. Why rock the boat with a stupid offer and end up doing this......

Wild theory here, but perhaps we didn't think he was worth much more than 80k

Given our forays into the Scottish market with a fair amount of success over the past few years we might just know the worth of players up there...

And as I said, how much did Celtic spunk on him...

 

[SwissBlade]

and further to bladesway's post swiss, which I agree with, you could argue Celtics bid wasn't derisory because he doesn't become a Celtic player until the end of the season when in fact he is a free agent and can sign for who he wishes and for nowt

We wanted him now and therefore should've offered a price that at least went some way to meeting DU's valuation, which was mooted to be in the region of £250k
Perhaps as bladesway says, we get in there, be decisive and get the deal done before letting Celtic in on the news we are chasing him

All guesswork I know, but our recent record of bidding for players seems to leave a lot to be desired

See my response to bladesway....

 

[Bladesway]

Wild theory here, but perhaps we didn't think he was worth much more than 80k

Given our forays into the Scottish market with a fair amount of success over the past few years we might just know the worth of players up there...

And as I said, how much did Celtic spunk on him...

So an integral part of your promotion to the Championship is worth...................£80k. Wow.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Clough needs to learn to keep his mouth shut as he will look daft when it doesn't happen, he's already had a moan that the window opened on the 3rd so players couldn't play in the FA cup 3rd round then 2 weeks later still nothing.

So, when he says he's happy with signings and board are backing him he's following the company line and lying. If he says he wants 4 players then he's looking daft.
Exactly what is he supposed to be doing, as I would say he's simply being honest on both occasions.

 

[SwissBlade]

So an integral part of your promotion to the Championship is worth...................£80k. Wow.

Here we go again with the obsession with values of players.

What if the integral part of the promotion bid is 1.7m from Cardiff - it's too much to spend.

What if the integral part is Mceveley - he came on a free

We paid 2m for billy sharp and he didn't do anything for us. Christ we spunked a fortune on shit like Nosworthy.

Surely the argument is whether he's good enough and we can get him for the price we want. It really doesn't matter what his price was to us fans.

Perhaps we just didn't think he was worth more

 

[Blade58]

Wild theory here, but perhaps we didn't think he was worth much more than 80k

Given our forays into the Scottish market with a fair amount of success over the past few years we might just know the worth of players up there...

And as I said, how much did Celtic spunk on him...

2 points swiss

Jimbob said regards the GMS fiasco, that we always start low, which indicates that he is worth more

If Clough is in the market for only players that are better than we have, then I would hope we are in the market for players that have a higher market value, with proven credentials or we could be wasting our time along with many of the lower market value players we've already signed

 

[Bladepicker]

Surely cog is one of the 4,the 2 lads from Derby 'yawn,_2 squad players at best,and no better than what we already have.
The 4 th one, ooooo the suspense.

Again, if you think Coutts is no more than a squad player at best then, all due respect, you are totally wrong. He would be our best midfielder by a margin.