Clough -> Forest

[Ginger Gnome]

There can be little doubt now that Clough gets the jobs he does simply due to his name. No way would a club like Forest even think about approaching a manager with his record if it wasn't.

Clough probably got the Burton job originally due to his name, but that's understandable as they were a small irrelevant club nobody had ever heard of before he took over. Derby was due to his dad's history and having Burton well clear at the top of the Conference at the time. Here was nothing to do with his name, we were terrible, he hadn't done a bad job at Derby and was probably about the best out of work manager we could get at this level at the time. Burton he had his obvious past history there and to most outsiders his time here was seen as a success. Forest are a shambles right now, it's a bit of a stunt to try and appease the fans by giving them Brian's son in charge, but it's not like Nigel doesn't have his own history at Forest and his managerial record probably merits a bottom-end Championship job.

If, after Forest, he keeps getting jobs with clubs he has no history with despite a solid record of failure (like Bryan Robson did) then it might be a fair argument, but it's not like Forest's list of recent managers reads like a who's-who of brilliant managers, it's more like a who? why? and people who used to play for them.

 

[Liaminho9]

He'll need to make his mind up pronto, otherwise Brayford will be home alone in Burton without his footy Daddy.

Wouldn't be able to sign until next season anyway, as was discussed at length regarding McNulty, he's already played for 2 clubs this season, so can't play for a third.

 

[GrayBlade]

Wouldn't be able to sign until next season anyway, as was discussed at length regarding McNulty, he's already played for 2 clubs this season, so can't play for a third.

I'd forgotten that he played for us this season TBH, easily done he was too bad to be true. I was a fan of his, but the guy never tried an inch in those early games.

 

[UnitedBlade]

There can be little doubt now that Clough gets the jobs he does simply due to his name. No way would a club like Forest even think about approaching a manager with his record if it wasn't.

I know what you are getting at and I'm no lover of Clough and the turgid football we saw. But I think this is slightly different to being about his name.

As he has pointed out, he's spent 1/3 of his life (18 years I think he said so he must be including his time as young lad) at Forest and a little known fact is he is Forest's second highest scorer of all time.

This is about Forest's equivalent of Bladey Bladeyness.

He may well boost them and keep them up as he did with us but I can't see them going anywhere under his direction.

 

[Liaminho9]

I'd forgotten that he played for us this season TBH, easily done he was too bad to be true. I was a fan of his, but the guy never tried an inch in those early games.

I like to hope it was because he wasn't fit. I remember when he signed for burton there was comments from their fans that he very immobile on the pitch and was only partial training, but got a lot better as the season has gone on.

 

[Harry's Game]

I don't know which is the worst Nigel, Clough or Adkins?

Clough's defenders will point to the Cup run (fat lot of good that did us in the long term imo)

Adkins had at least a decent record elsewhere in his CV yet was hopeless when here.

On the whole the Adkins tenure was a short horror, but we are still suffering from the fallout from the Clough era, Brayford's wages are still being paid and the ill feeling and wasted dosh probably helped seal The Prince's lack of interest.

 

[sitwell]

I don't know which is the worst Nigel, Clough or Adkins?

Clough's defenders will point to the Cup run (fat lot of good that did us in the long term imo)

Adkins had at least a decent record elsewhere in his CV yet was hopeless when here.

On the whole the Adkins tenure was a short horror, but we are still suffering from the fallout from the Clough era, Brayford's wages are still being paid and the ill feeling and wasted dosh probably helped seal The Prince's lack of interest.

Look where we were when they took over ,that will tell you.

 

[Harry's Game]

Look where we were when they took over ,that will tell you.

Where we where when Clough took over was more to do with David Weir, that side should never have been in the bottom half let alone the bottom three.

The slide was on when Clough finished his second season Adkins wasn't good enough to arrest it.

I wish the manager we have now had Maguire, and Murphy.

 

[alcoblade]

If he has any skill at all it would be to keep a team up. Burton was just a case of carrying on from someone else.

Given time, as proven with us, he's an ultra negative, ultra defensive counter attacker.

He might keep Forrest up, but hopefully they go down with Burton. I can't forgive him for the financial shambles he left us with, or the ultimate borefest of that second season.

UTB

 

[Grappler]

I don't know which is the worst Nigel, Clough or Adkins?

Clough's defenders will point to the Cup run (fat lot of good that did us in the long term imo)

Adkins had at least a decent record elsewhere in his CV yet was hopeless when here.

On the whole the Adkins tenure was a short horror, but we are still suffering from the fallout from the Clough era, Brayford's wages are still being paid and the ill feeling and wasted dosh probably helped seal The Prince's lack of interest.

There's only one way to find out............

 

[Roygbiv]

Yeah, I mean look at some of their previous appointments.
Montanier, Freedman, McLeish, Cotterill all colossi of the English game when Forest came calling! Or perhaps you're thinking of the legends that are Stuart Pearce, Racist Ron or Gary Megson.

They look like their in a relegation battle. How many relegations has Clough on his CV?

Every single one of those other than Pearce and Freedman, who themselves only got the job because of their connection to Forest, have better managerial records than Clough. That's how average Clough's record is.

 

[Roygbiv]

Clough probably got the Burton job originally due to his name, but that's understandable as they were a small irrelevant club nobody had ever heard of before he took over. Derby was due to his dad's history and having Burton well clear at the top of the Conference at the time. Here was nothing to do with his name, we were terrible, he hadn't done a bad job at Derby and was probably about the best out of work manager we could get at this level at the time. Burton he had his obvious past history there and to most outsiders his time here was seen as a success. Forest are a shambles right now, it's a bit of a stunt to try and appease the fans by giving them Brian's son in charge, but it's not like Nigel doesn't have his own history at Forest and his managerial record probably merits a bottom-end Championship job.

If, after Forest, he keeps getting jobs with clubs he has no history with despite a solid record of failure (like Bryan Robson did) then it might be a fair argument, but it's not like Forest's list of recent managers reads like a who's-who of brilliant managers, it's more like a who? why? and people who used to play for them.

If he gets the Forest job then at least 2 of his last 4 jobs have been given to him because of his name. Derby wouldn't have plucked a non league manager if his name wasn't Clough and as you point out Forest are using it as a stunt by giving them Brian's son. He did well at Burton the first time and left in good circumstances which is the main reason he's back there now so I'll give him that one but I respectfully disagree that he got the job here because of what he did at Derby. His CV was inferior to certain other managers out of work at the time like Saunders, Warnock, McCall, Mackay and Pulis

 

[JordoBlade]

If Clough goes and wants to take Brayford with him he obviously rates him and if this is the case we should make him pay a good fee for him.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I can't forgive him for the financial shambles he left us with, or the ultimate borefest of that second season.

Neither can I, but nobody can deny that taking a League 1 team containing Howard, Harris, Collins, Doyle, Flynn, Baxter, and infrequent helpings of Porter, to the FA Cup semi-finals is quite some achievement. What happened afterwards was dire (though the Maguire departure, which probably ruined much of his plans, was out of his control), but the Forest and Charlton cup games were two of the most enjoyable of the last 10 years.

 

[davidblade]

Honestly why do we give a shit where that clunt goes,, I don't.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

. His CV was inferior to certain other managers out of work at the time like Saunders, Warnock, McCall, Mackay and Pulis

Hmmmm. Warnock ruled out for well rehearsed reasons. McCall already committed elsewhere ? Mackay and Pulis surely well beyond our means ? Saunders a bit of a car crash most places he's been ?

Neither can I, but nobody can deny that taking a League 1 team containing Howard, Harris, Collins, Doyle, Flynn, Baxter, and infrequent helpings of Porter, to the FA Cup semi-finals is quite some achievement.

The MIGHTY Porter !

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Mackay didn't even get sacked by Cardiff until after Clough had been appointed, Pulis got the Palace job a few weeks later so was never realistically going to drop to League One, McCall had rejected the chance to come here before Weir was appointed, Warnock was never going to be given the chance to come back, so of that lot only Saunders was available.

Looking back at the thread from when Clough was first linked to the job, only alcoblade was completely against it (and the anti-Nigel1 bitterness has only got worse since then), suggesting Paul Cox, Steve Evans and Gary Johnson as who we should be after instead.

Most people were mildly positive with it or kind of apathetic, nobody suggested he was only getting the job because of his name.

Interestingly a Derby fan said: "I think Nige will see you right. He does like his sides to play football and not hoofball. As others have said he did lack a bit of a plan b at times and would get very negative. Biggest fault for me was his putting players on the naughty step and we hardly ever saw them again, regardless of how well they where playing". That was worryingly accurate.

 

[Harry's Game]

Looking back at the thread from when Clough was first linked to the job, only alcoblade was completely against it (and the anti-Nigel1 bitterness has only got worse since then), suggesting Paul Cox, Steve Evans and Gary Johnson as who we should be after instead.

Most people were mildly positive with it or kind of apathetic.

I don't know about that, I was posting on another forum back then (under another name which I jettisoned to get rid of a couple of trolls who were pulling me to pieces) and I made it quite clear what I thought,

I have many issues with Nigel Clough and I fully admit it it's a personal dislike, my real life job brought me into contact with the Clough family long before he was even Linked with United and it was an utter utter nightmare.

I suspected this arrogance would cause us many issues and I wasn't wrong.

I feel sorry for my old friend David (you know who you are if you stumble acrosss this) you shouldn't have had to deal with the shit that family sent your way.

 

[alcoblade]

Neither can I, but nobody can deny that taking a League 1 team containing Howard, Harris, Collins, Doyle, Flynn, Baxter, and infrequent helpings of Porter, to the FA Cup semi-finals is quite some achievement. What happened afterwards was dire (though the Maguire departure, which probably ruined much of his plans, was out of his control), but the Forest and Charlton cup games were two of the most enjoyable of the last 10 years.

He actually gave contracts to possibly all of the dross players that you listed.

I'll give you some good times, for balance.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Mackay didn't even get sacked by Cardiff until after Clough had been appointed, Pulis got the Palace job a few weeks later so was never realistically going to drop to League One, McCall had rejected the chance to come here before Weir was appointed, Warnock was never going to be given the chance to come back, so of that lot only Saunders was available.

Looking back at the thread from when Clough was first linked to the job, only alcoblade was completely against it (and the anti-Nigel1 bitterness has only got worse since then), suggesting Paul Cox, Steve Evans and Gary Johnson as who we should be after instead.

Most people were mildly positive with it or kind of apathetic, nobody suggested he was only getting the job because of his name.

Interestingly a Derby fan said: "I think Nige will see you right. He does like his sides to play football and not hoofball. As others have said he did lack a bit of a plan b at times and would get very negative. Biggest fault for me was his putting players on the naughty step and we hardly ever saw them again, regardless of how well they where playing". That was worryingly accurate.

If you read on from posts around that time, you'd also see that once he was appointed I was fully behind him, as I would be with any of our managers.

Even when he was sacked, I begrudgingly suggested I'd have given him until that Christmas, such is my belief in allowing more time for managers. I won't pretend I wept though.

Only when the details of the silly contracts that were dished out arose, coupled with the mind numbing football I'd experienced, did my real dislike for him surface.


UTB

 

[Lution Mckenzie]

How are people saying Cloughs doing OK at Burton? For me, he took a team that were already flying high and turned them 'average' scraping draws here and there and the odd win but managed to get them up regardless.. as it stands he's won 2 and drawn 1 in the last 10 games and they sit 22nd level with Wigan. He's a crap defensive minded manager who, even when losing 1 or 2 nill at home still orders his players to "GET BACK!" F**K HIM and his career. If it wasnt for the cup runs, which lets be frank, can go any way, luckily they went our way as the counter attacks worked, every fan would despise the sack of sh*t. I hope he loses his job, says something inadequate in the media, recieves a hefty fine and is forced to sign on whilst he waits to start his new picker, packer warehouse job at Asos.

 

[finlaytheblade]

If you read on from posts around that time, you'd also see that once he was appointed I was fully behind him, as I would be with any of our managers.

Even when he was sacked, I begrudgingly suggested I'd have given him until that Christmas, such is my belief in allowing more time for managers. I won't pretend I wept though.

Only when the details of the silly contracts that were dished out arose, coupled with the mind numbing football I'd experienced, did my real dislike for him surface.


UTB

My thoughts s as well Also.As blades we want to see all our managers succeed, when they fail the club fails and we don't ever want that. Same goes for Mccabe, sure he regrets employing a lot of his failed managers it's cost him millions while we have wallowed in this turgid division.What a breath of fresh air Wilder is.

 

[Ricky]

I have many issues with Nigel Clough and I fully admit it it's a personal dislike, my real life job brought me into contact with the Clough family long before he was even Linked with United and it was an utter utter nightmare.

Why am I not surprised.

From a character point of view I got a very bad impression right from the start and it's incredible how accurate those impressions turned out to be.

Those negative character traits contributed to our failure and the mess created more so than his management.

 

[Harry's Game]

Why am I not surprised.

From a character point of view I got a very bad impression right from the start and it's incredible how accurate those impressions turned out to be.

Those negative character traits contributed to our failure and the mess created more so than his management.

Shit, I must have had a good drink last night, I am not suposed to mention this

 

[JohnDenver]

Only when the details of the silly contracts that were dished out arose, coupled with the mind numbing football I'd experienced, did my real dislike for him surface.

I blame the board for that as well as Clough. Managers have the sack looming over them, so they're not really minded to take a wider view of the club. Give them money and they'll spend it quickly.

Clough spent it badly, but perhaps he thought the well was deeper than it was. One January splurge lead to any empty kitty and a lopsided squad. The club shouldn't have allowed that to happen as much as Clough should have been cannier.

 

[Bladesman]

He has been given permission to speak to Florest.

 

[Reedy1889]

I wonder what will happen with Brayford should Clough move this window?

Will we recall Brayford if & sell or loan him out again but to Forest before the window shuts? because it's obvious Clough will wish to sign him.

 

[tyke1889]

On the whole....

Burton's fans aren't that bothered

Forest fans are quite excited

Trevor1946 currently in the process of signing up to the Forest forum

Can he spell Forest?

 

[Stretch]

I wonder what will happen with Brayford should Clough move this window?

Will we recall Brayford if & sell or loan him out again but to Forest before the window shuts? because it's obvious Clough will wish to sign him.

Players can't play for more than 2 clubs in a single season so Brayford will stay put at Burton. Strong chance he will lose form and interest as well. Fine by me as long as he isn't burdening our wage bill. I could see Clough buying him next season though.

 

[Harry's Game]

Players can't play for more than 2 clubs in a single season so Brayford will stay put at Burton. Strong chance he will lose form and interest as well. Fine by me as long as he isn't burdening our wage bill. I could see Clough buying him next season though.

Brayford would be certain to move to Forest in the summer. I would think Coutts might be a target for them as well if we fail to go up and they stay up.