Chris Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss

[Melton Blade]

High on the list of any Prem vacancy ? He wont be top of the list for any top league job at the moment . Possibly too end Championship but which of those teams will be getting rid of their managers ?

The only Prem job I can see being free where he would have an outside chance of getting would be Newcastle but if they get new owners they may want a foreign manager

Plus Crystal Palace (Woy out of contract), Burnley (Dyche moving on)...
A few scenarios.

 

[Nosworthys Throw]

Its not Wilders fault we didnt/dont have the moneh to sign the quality we need!! Dont see how a director of football will help with that issue unless he's some kind of mafia don making offers players cant refuse

 

[FriethBlade]

IMHO the biggest mistake we made was spending the whole budget on up and coming players unproven in the premier league. Unfortunately not one of McBurnie, Berge, Brewster, Ramsdale or Moose has proved worth it and that's nearly 100m of fees.

Now whether that's all down to the boards policy regarding resale value or CW not wanting to break the wage structure and upset the players that brought us up or not I don't know. But it seems there was an assumption somewhere that we were an established side after finishing 9th and we could afford to take this approach.

Its clearly backfired spectacularly and CW is blaming the board for not backing him and the board are sat there thinking we spent big. We gave you the money for Berge who wasnt in last years budget then we gave you the money for Brewster who wasnt in this years budget, you say you need a back up for JOC but why did you sign Robinson and so on.

As it is CWs standing in the game is still very high and rightly so. I suspect hes very worried that without the backing in the summer we will be mid table next season and his chance of a top job will have diminished massively whereas if he walks this summer hes still an attractive proposition.

Let's hope this is sorted out and we can go again with CW at the helm for a promotion push.

 

[The Crab]

Forest rejected our bid and Villa ended up paying £16m for him. We were nowhere near. Surely a big part of recruitment is understanding the market and who can realistically fit in your budget?

Yep.

I'd love the new Ford Focus, its a nice motor, but it doesn't fit my budget.

Such is life

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yep.

I'd love the new Ford Focus, its a nice motor, but it doesn't fit my budget.

Such is life

How big is your budgie?

 

[Snowflake]

Thing is now we're going back down, I'm not so worried about transfers. Wilder's record at recruitment in the football league is very good, in the Premier league though it's been poor. We certainly need someone to help modernise and improve our scouting and recruitment set up. It's fairly obvious that we've struggled to identify targets who are capable of making a significant difference.

It's not about removing wilder from the process, it's about having someone who can help him and oversee a bit of an overhaul.

We identified targets most of whom have been successful at other clubs. We don’t know why they didn’t come, but can only speculate

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Not ITK! ......but I was told before Xmas things behind the scenes with CW and board wasn't great but the lad that told me said he didn't know how bad but since Xmas it seems he was correct and things are now being aired more and more in public.

 

[The Crab]

How big is your budgie?

Well when I used to do the online dating thing, I was often accused of misrepresentation when I said I had a massive cock........................

 

[BlairBlade]

Daily Mail repeating what Sutcliffe in the Athletic has been saying. Sadly seems there's plenty to this stuff ATM.

I read it and there is nothing particularly new in it.
It is simply shoddy, recycled garbage with a bit of spurious shit-stirring thrown in.
I thought you only bought the mail if you were incontinent.

 

[Danetheblade]

IMHO the biggest mistake we made was spending the whole budget on up and coming players unproven in the premier league. Unfortunately not one of McBurnie, Berge, Brewster, Ramsdale or Moose has proved worth it and that's nearly 100m of fees.

Now whether that's all down to the boards policy regarding resale value or CW not wanting to break the wage structure and upset the players that brought us up or not I don't know. But it seems there was an assumption somewhere that we were an established side after finishing 9th and we could afford to take this approach.

Its clearly backfired spectacularly and CW is blaming the board for not backing him and the board are sat there thinking we spent big. We gave you the money for Berge who wasnt in last years budget then we gave you the money for Brewster who wasnt in this years budget, you say you need a back up for JOC but why did you sign Robinson and so on.

As it is CWs standing in the game is still very high and rightly so. I suspect hes very worried that without the backing in the summer we will be mid table next season and his chance of a top job will have diminished massively whereas if he walks this summer hes still an attractive proposition.

Let's hope this is sorted out and we can go again with CW at the helm for a promotion push.

Don't agree with that part. He's essentially shown (as thing stand) that he's shite with big money transfers, is very limited in the market he dips into. He's leading us to one of the worse finishes on record as things currently stand. His attitude towards the board is somewhat laughable (imo) imagine getting arsey after wasting such a vast amount of money. If me, you, anyone for that matter acted like Chris is acting now, then we'd be quickly shipped out and unemployed. Think he should be thanking his lucky stars he's still got a job, because any ANY other manager and theyll have got the bullet a long time ago.

 

[BlairBlade]

Not ITK! ......but I was told before Xmas things behind the scenes with CW and board wasn't great but the lad that told me said he didn't know how bad but since Xmas it seems he was correct and things are now being aired more and more in public.

By whom? It is only CW who is doing the public but.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Not all over social media but Big Jim seemed to dropping out hints with someone wittering for CW

 

[Chingo]

Yes a DoF would have got the Watkins and Cash deals over the line

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Whilst the previous few years HAVE been fantastic, there is a quantum leap in quality between the Prem and the leagues below. Perhaps that does need a different approach?

A really important point, whose implications are sometimes forgotten at the moment by some of Wilder’s harsher critics.

When he joined us he‘d never managed above League 2, and had barely any experience even at that level. Three seasons later he goes into a summer window planning for the top league in world football.

“Steep learning curve” doesn’t quite do it justice. For me, he deserves the chance to show what he’s learned during the last two / five years, and whether he’s able to apply that learning.

It‘s not the best analogy, but moving him out now would be akin to jettisoning an apprentice you’ve invested years of time and effort in before you’re fully sure he can’t actually do the job.

 

[Davalon]

Missionary

Reverse cowgirl

 

[McGrath]

Does anyone know much about the 'board' at Bramall Lane?

We've got an owner who lives in California and just seems to fly in occasionally.

There's this a young kid in his twenties who's chairman and a bunch of characters on the board who's backgrounds we nothing about.

I've seen some very dodgy boards at Bramall Lane in the past and I'm starting to get a bit suspicious of this lot.

Wilder's right to call them out about the training ground facilities. They can't blame Covid on that as the building trade has carried on. Is it incompetence or lack funds that they haven't been built yet?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well when I used to do the online dating thing, I was often accused of misrepresentation when I said I had a massive cock........................

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I’ll set ‘em up, you get Tynemouth Blade up in arms about posting it first

 

[The Crab]

A really important point, whose implications are sometimes forgotten at the moment by some of Wilder’s harsher critics.

When he joined us he‘d never managed above League 2, and had barely any experience even at that level. Three seasons later he goes into a summer window planning for the top league in world football.

“Steep learning curve” doesn’t quite do it justice. For me, he deserves the chance to show what he’s learned during the last two / five years, and whether he’s able to apply that learning.

It‘s not the best analogy, but moving him out now would be akin to jettisoning an apprentice you’ve invested years of time and effort in before you’re fully sure he can’t actually do the job.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I lead a small team, plenty of responsibility and forthcoming stress from another TUPE process, but I'm just a small cog in a bigger wheel. CW's progress is like me suddenly being elevated to board level. You'd do your utmost, but it's a different world.

Next season is pivotal in terms of our direction, and CW is the best man for the job still. But both he, and to some extent the board too, need to take lessons from our time in the prem, and apply that moving forward.

 

[Robboblade1889]

It's quite simple really, the way Chris likes to do transfers works brilliantly in the lower divisions. Less so in the championship and then doesn't work in the top flight. He's spent a lot of money on players who have not had the desired effect. We're not a club in a position to spend £20 million on a player who is for the future. We need to use the resources we have better. We need to recruit from the widest pool possible using the most extensive range of knowledge possible. On the other hand, and I can't read the article, there needs to be investment in our training and Academy as that is also the future. If the Prince is now backing out of doing that then it's not good enough.

The only way Sheffield United could ever become an established PL club is our youth pipeline and recruitment is world class. Both of these are currently greatly lacking. At this level, you need a DoF or something similar.

The only way Sheffield United can become an established premier league team is to pay premier league wages it’s as simple as that.
Like other have said a director of football isn’t going to get us players to come on less wages than he would at another club. It was obvious Chris gave the board a list of targets it was up to the board to agree tot those deals or not. I don’t think any of us would think Marty Cash would be worth 16m. I would imagine we thought at the time we had a chance to get him same as Robinson at Fulham. We lost out to a newly promoted team for that signing because they paid bigger wages that should tell everyone everything you need to know.
The Prince has had an easy ride at the minute, he bought a club for peanuts and the manager managed to get it into the premier league against all the odds. It could go sour really quickly if he goes down the DOF route at the expense of Chris Wilder. Believe me the vast majority of our fan base are still fully behind the manager is it goes belly up then he will be in for a tough time

 

[The Crab]

I’ll set ‘em up, you get Tynemouth Blade up in arms about posting it first

I am what we used to call in our childhood footy games in the park, a shitliner. I hover and tap away the chances

 

[Danetheblade]

Does anyone know much about the 'board' at Bramall Lane?

We've got an owner who lives in California and just seems to fly in occasionally.

There's this a young kid in his twenties who's chairman and a bunch of characters on the board who's backgrounds we nothing about.

I've seen some very dodgy boards at Bramall Lane in the past and I'm starting to get a bit suspicious of this lot.

Wilder's right to call them out about the training ground facilities. They can't blame Covid on that as the building trade has carried on. Is it incompetence or lack funds that they haven't been built yet?

Due to be finished for the 21/22 season. Dodgy? Don't agree with you there. They seem the board that have just seen 130m of investment literally spaffed up the wall. Quite rightly a bit unsure of offering the guy who's wasted money on shit more.

 

[The Crab]

Yes a DoF would have got the Watkins and Cash deals over the line

No they wouldn't have, but they MIGHT have found an equivalent from elsewhere

 

[themaninblack]

A really important point, whose implications are sometimes forgotten at the moment by some of Wilder’s harsher critics.

When he joined us he‘d never managed above League 2, and had barely any experience even at that level. Three seasons later he goes into a summer window planning for the top league in world football.

“Steep learning curve” doesn’t quite do it justice. For me, he deserves the chance to show what he’s learned during the last two / five years, and whether he’s able to apply that learning.

It‘s not the best analogy, but moving him out now would be akin to jettisoning an apprentice you’ve invested years of time and effort in before you’re fully sure he can’t actually do the job.

Agree with this 100%. This season has been a massive failure (the first on CW’s CV?) but he will have learnt more from this experience than from the years of success. It’s when the shit hits the fan that you really find out about yourself and those around you.

 

[Davalon]

It's the Sheffield United way. When stability is needed and things should still be looking fairly rosy despite relegation, the club seems intent on eating itself.

Friends of the manager planting seeds, public utterances from the manager, a divided fanbase....

Pick your side folks

 

[The Crab]

Agree with this 100%. This season has been a massive failure (the first on CW’s CV?) but he will have learnt more from this experience than from the years of success. It’s when the shit hits the fan that you really find out about yourself and those around you.

An old saying I have sometimes found has served me well.

You learn more from what you get wrong than you do from what you get right.

 

[MobileBlade]

Makes perfect sense to me.

I lead a small team, plenty of responsibility and forthcoming stress from another TUPE process, but I'm just a small cog in a bigger wheel. CW's progress is like me suddenly being elevated to board level. You'd do your utmost, but it's a different world.

Next season is pivotal in terms of our direction, and CW is the best man for the job still. But both he, and to some extent the board too, need to take lessons from our time in the prem, and apply that moving forward.

I bets Crabs HR Department think that a acquiring a change of service provision is getting Vern some new dusters.

 

[Chingo]

No they wouldn't have, but they MIGHT have found an equivalent from elsewhere

They Might not have as well , every transfer for the PL at our level of fee and wages is a gamble , just who is this guru that’s gonna get them all right ?
Any names to chuck in anyone ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's the Sheffield United way. When stability is needed and things should still be looking fairly rosy despite relegation, the club seems intent on eating itself.

Friends of the manager planting seeds, public utterances from the manager, a divided fanbase....

Pick your side folks

Public utterances from Prince's pals and a retweet himself that wasn't strictly accurate. At best it's a power struggle. At worst he's being undermined and forced out.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Does anyone know much about the 'board' at Bramall Lane?

We've got an owner who lives in California and just seems to fly in occasionally.

There's this a young kid in his twenties who's chairman and a bunch of characters on the board who's backgrounds we nothing about.

I've seen some very dodgy boards at Bramall Lane in the past and I'm starting to get a bit suspicious of this lot.

Wilder's right to call them out about the training ground facilities. They can't blame Covid on that as the building trade has carried on. Is it incompetence or lack funds that they haven't been built yet?

He’s 28 and has a sports and accountancy background. True he’s not experienced in running a club as big as United but he’s not some wet behind the ears kid given a job by his Dad with no business experience.


In 2010, Musa’ad established a leading football academy focusing on the development of youth players. It was also used as a training facility for other football teams in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.[citation needed]

In 2015, Musa’ad was a member of the consultant team, Prince Abdullah Bin Musa’ad Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud had during his time as the President of the General Sports Authority in Saudi Arabia.[citation needed]

In 2016, Musa’ad joined Ernst & Young. He held three positions during his time there: Consultant, Senior Consultant in Strategy & Customer, and EY's Sport & Entertainment Sector Manager at EY MENA Advisory Services.[citation needed]

Musa’ad is the chairman of Sheffield United F.C.[2] and director of K Beerschot VA.

 

[The Crab]

I bets Crabs HR Department think that a acquiring a change of service provision is getting Vern some new dusters.

Yeah I wasn't happy about the spend on that one.................