Outgoing? Chris Wilder

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Blades Glory Owls Down said:


Jimmy the Rambler is currently live, discussing it..........
We know he loves to do a bit of clickbaity stuff but he claims that hes heard from a few good "sources"
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Loath to bring it up again but after the Baldock incident and the paywall debacle, I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him
 
jimmymuir said:
Spot on, especially when they gave him a new deal at the start of the year. Shows an erratic nature and no sort of long-term plan.
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Or it shows that they bought time to undertake a root and branch review of the club and to plan the direction they wanted to take, and that process has now concluded.
 
Lord Eddard Muir said:
You know things are serious when Ramble's doing his peekaboo face
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Hes just said that hes 95% certain Wilder is gone.................

but why is he the only one that seems to be reporting this?????
Possibly just for attention/likes/subscriptions? it would be easy to later say that he was only reporting what he had heard from "respectable sources" but they got it wrong.
If he gets lucky, he can spout about being the one to break the news and get more subscriptions........
 
Blades Glory Owls Down said:
Hes just said that hes 95% certain Wilder is gone.................

but why is he the only one that seems to be reporting this?????
Possibly just for attention/likes/subscriptions? it would be easy to later say that he was only reporting what he had heard from "respectable sources" but they got it wrong.
If he gets lucky, he can spout about being the one to break the news and get more subscriptions........
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Tbf to Jimmy, if he wanted attention, he surely wouldn't choose to do it at this time of day when a lot of people won't have the luxury of being online to follow along?
 
Blades Glory Owls Down said:
Hes just said that hes 95% certain Wilder is gone.................

but why is he the only one that seems to be reporting this?????
Possibly just for attention/likes/subscriptions? it would be easy to later say that he was only reporting what he had heard from "respectable sources" but they got it wrong.
If he gets lucky, he can spout about being the one to break the news and get more subscriptions........
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He's been doing a transfer rumour show every morning live since last week so I guess he's bumped whichever player he was going to concentrate on today for this breaking news.
 
AI identified manager from Bulgarian league incoming then.

I hope he's a successful as the previous AI signings
 
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Nick Jansky said:
Or it shows that they bought time to undertake a root and branch review of the club and to plan the direction they wanted to take, and that process has now concluded.
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Hopefully they would already have a replacement lined up if Wilder does leave. Time will tell.
 
Jimmyramble is quoting Deadbat as a turning point is his respect for the rumours. No doubt the influencers amongst us are closer to the club than most and have the ear of people even closer. If prominent YT/Podcasters are mentioning it, I'd say it's bob-on.
 
S64 Blade said:
Tbf to Jimmy, if he wanted attention, he surely wouldn't choose to do it at this time of day when a lot of people won't have the luxury of being online to follow along?
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Thats a fair point.
But you would have thought that there are a load of reported with links to the club that would have received this kind of info before the likes of a vlogger?
 
Blades Glory Owls Down said:
Thats a fair point.
But you would have thought that there are a load of reported with links to the club that would have received this kind of info before the likes of a vlogger?
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Most of the reporters with links to the clubs are mates with Wilder, so may be holding back. Who knows anyway. We will find out soon, I suspect.
 
jimmymuir said:
Spot on, especially when they gave him a new deal at the start of the year. Shows an erratic nature and no sort of long-term plan.
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That new deal would have been heavily incentivised. We were 2nd when Wilder signed his new deal at the end of January, two points behind Leeds with 17 matches to go. It probably also contained a clause allowing us to part ways with him with a defined settlement should we fail to be promoted.

Nick Jansky said:
Or it shows that they bought time to undertake a root and branch review of the club and to plan the direction they wanted to take, and that process has now concluded.
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This. If it's happened, it's the result of a thorough consideration of all evidence, both in terms of objective results and subjective plans.
 
Brownieblade said:
Im not on here for sacking Chris but I doubt it would go to that extreme either
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Where does it end though

If you play this (to me knee jerk approach) to the 2 extremes we

1 become a basket case club - sacking managers Willy nilly and with no longer term plan. Every manager is a risk despite the track records - look at Slav and what he did here. This doesn’t feel like a healthy approach after he’s signed a new contract

2 - slim chance we become a Bournemouth or Brentford. We excel on player trading using a clever recruitment strategy. Feels unlikely though.

I can’t see there is much middle ground if you are getting rid of someone who was (arguably) VAR away from taking us up. And with a points total which would have made the season a success more often than not
 

Selly said:
Context for this please?
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When Baldock passed, before the club had issued a statement or anyone proper had confirmed anything, he was straight on live talking about it - he gets paid for clicks, views and people can pay to get messages read out. He was monetising it.

With the takeover, he kept saying he knew stuff and had info but in order to get it you had to pay to join something of his. So instead of sharing this info with other Blades, he just monetised what turned out to be nothing
 
I have plenty of criticisms of Wilder recently but can't help but think this would be a big mistake. If he was going he should have gone already

We'll be entering a very unpredictable phase, depending on who the owners decide to appoint - and nothing would surprise me
 
3Cheers4Ramirez said:
I have plenty of criticisms of Wilder recently but can't help but think this would be a big mistake. If he was going he should have gone already

We'll be entering a very unpredictable phase, depending on who the owners decide to appoint - and nothing would surprise me
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Still a month off pre-season. Plenty of time to get someone in.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
If these owners are sacking A manager after 92 points - we are fucked

It’s the next Hull city approach imo. Showing they don’t have a clue about managing a football club imo. No patience and no plan.
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I think it's the opposite.

The football last season was shocking. And he didn't get a tune remotely out of our 'big money' signing.

I think the owners have seen what's happened, the stupid on field fighting, the comments aimed at the fans when he got the mardies on in our 3 game blow up run, paired with the football on display, and of course the data which backs up we over performed our expected points this season - and they've probably come to that decision.

Do I think it's harsh? Yes.
Would I sack him after 92 points? Probably not.

But these owners are all in on this data driven model. We either get on board and trust them to deliver us something special or go back to the boring football of last season.

Leap into the unknown is pretty exciting if you ask me. And I think as a club it's what we need.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Where does it end though

If you play this (to me knee jerk approach) to the 2 extremes we

1 become a basket case club - sacking managers Willy nilly and with no longer term plan. Every manager is a risk despite the track records - look at Slav and what he did here. This doesn’t feel like a healthy approach after he’s signed a new contract

2 - slim chance we become a Bournemouth or Brentford. We excel on player trading using a clever recruitment strategy. Feels unlikely though.

I can’t see there is much middle ground if you are getting rid of someone who was (arguably) VAR away from taking us up. And with a points total which would have made the season a success more often than not
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If you do what you always do, you'll get what you always got.

If we want to progress then It's time for a change.

It may work against us but if you don't try thenyou don't find out, and there's no guarantee that CW would repeat the 92 points if we stayed the same but what I do know is that if he can't buy into the owners vision of the future, then he's not the right person for the job.
 
Slim Man said:
I think it's the opposite.

The football last season was shocking. And he didn't get a tune remotely out of our 'big money' signing.

I think the owners have seen what's happened, the stupid on field fighting, the comments aimed at the fans when he got the mardies on in our 3 game blow up run, paired with the football on display, and of course the data which backs up we over performed our expected points this season - and they've probably come to that decision.

Do I think it's harsh? Yes.
Would I sack him after 92 points? Probably not.

But these owners are all in on this data driven model. We either get on board and trust them to deliver us something special or go back to the boring football of last season.

Leap into the unknown is pretty exciting if you ask me. And I think as a club it's what we need.
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We got 92 points, but how many of the were as a result of outplaying the opposition Vs relying on having better players than the opposition.

Imagine how many point we'd have had if we had a defined style of play and plan of attack.

Our style was score one more than you and defend - but could have been much more.

92 points is a fantastic achievement. But the stats imply we over performed by c 20 points.

If he has gone, I can kind of see why.
 
Slim Man said:
I think it's the opposite.

The football last season was shocking. And he didn't get a tune remotely out of our 'big money' signing.

I think the owners have seen what's happened, the stupid on field fighting, the comments aimed at the fans when he got the mardies on in our 3 game blow up run, paired with the football on display, and of course the data which backs up we over performed our expected points this season - and they've probably come to that decision.

Do I think it's harsh? Yes.
Would I sack him after 92 points? Probably not.

But these owners are all in on this data driven model. We either get on board and trust them to deliver us something special or go back to the boring football of last season.

Leap into the unknown is pretty exciting if you ask me. And I think as a club it's what we need.
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I really hope you're right. It's a big decision coming by the board in who they appoint next. If fifteen games into next season and we are below mid table it will dent their credibility and half of this forum will be frothing at the mouth for the next change in manager.
 
Selly said:
We got 92 points, but how many of the were as a result of outplaying the opposition Vs relying on having better players than the opposition.

Imagine how many point we'd have had if we had a defined style of play and plan of attack.

Our style was score one more than you and defend - but could have been much more.

92 points is a fantastic achievement. But the stats imply we over performed by c 20 points.

If he has gone, I can kind of see why.
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I can totally see why

Like I say, it'll be based on a data model which most of us are aware of. Our expected points was way higher than it should've been, where we'd have been closer the play off pack than Leeds and Burnley.
 
Railway Blade said:
I really hope you're right. It's a big decision coming by the board in who they appoint next. If fifteen games into next season and we are below mid table it will dent their credibility and half of this forum will be frothing at the mouth for the next change in manager.
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I hope so too, it's exciting to me at least as it means they actually have a plan. But it's a huge call.
 
Slim Man said:
I think it's the opposite.

The football last season was shocking. And he didn't get a tune remotely out of our 'big money' signing.

I think the owners have seen what's happened, the stupid on field fighting, the comments aimed at the fans when he got the mardies on in our 3 game blow up run, paired with the football on display, and of course the data which backs up we over performed our expected points this season - and they've probably come to that decision.

Do I think it's harsh? Yes.
Would I sack him after 92 points? Probably not.

But these owners are all in on this data driven model. We either get on board and trust them to deliver us something special or go back to the boring football of last season.

Leap into the unknown is pretty exciting if you ask me. And I think as a club it's what we need.
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When I saw us linked with the same players we always are and McBurnie (I liked McBurnie but let’s move on) I was kind of ready for Wilder to go.

We all know he’s not a Premiership manager, there’s nothing unique about us this season - Leeds were very attacking, Burnley hard to beat, Sunderland counter attacked - I can’t really think what we were?

Most teams have come away thinking ‘how are they top’ that have played us. We lost to all the promoted teams twice.
 
Slim Man said:
I hope so too, it's exciting to me at least as it means they actually have a plan. But it's a huge call.
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Given how the signings went in January - work permit struggles, nowhere near the first team, not exactly young - I’m not filled with confidence. Recognise it’s early on that though.
 

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