Chris setting his stall out

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

As you and a few others have pointed out why do people continue to believe the crap thats put out by Radio Pig and the Pig stirrer newspaper. United Blade has posted the interview link, I recommend people listen to it.

CW didn't say what Giddings has tweeted. Shields even goes further and provides a laughable tweet that CW confirmed the accuracy of the Stirs article yesterday. That'll be the one that said a premiership club had bid £10 million.

This was the conversation below;

" Can you confirm there has been interest in Brooks this week" - Giddings
" There are a lot of off the record conversations with people agents and clubs asking if players are available. Yes I've had a conversation nothing changes with David from my point of view he's not for sale. I've made it loud and clear he's not for sale." - CW
" Everyone has a ceiling though" - Giddings
" That isn't decided by me as far as I am concerned he's not for sale. IF ANYBODY MAKES A BID IT WILL GO THROUGH TO THE CHIEF EXEC AND CHAIRMAN. " - CW. In other words no fkin bid has been received just a regular enquiry.

On incomings/outgoings

" If you get everything you want ideal world scenario how many additions would you like over the course of the month " Giddings

" Few will go out that haven't been involved in the first team this year. Part of my job is to make sure we get a good return for those players. We're possibly 1/2 midfield players short and a few more in a couple of positions. We're possibly looking at 4 players in if everybody stays. 4 players possibly going out on loan or permanent" - CW - Loans and permanent was a reference to players going out!!

This unnecessary shit storm is primarily down to Giddings but the Stir has once again misrepresented the facts. The Club really need to act and ban them both from the Club for a period so that they learn how to report facts not fiction.

For the few remaining Blades on here supporting both organisations give your head a shake.

 

[Slim Man]

or let's keep within budget which is what is keeping the club solvent, that and an additional £6m/year from the owners.
None of us have the right to insist on any investment from the owners and Wilder gets that (if you listen to his interview) so why can't the fans?

How is it keeping within budget when we apparently tabled bids for Egan and Coady in the summer?

 

[SwissBlade]

The model is only going to take us so far.

How far? Premier? Champions League? Top of the Championship?

 

[YouFUMS]

None of us have the right to insist on any investment from the owners and Wilder gets that (if you listen to his interview) so why can't the fans?

I don't agree, 8lade. As someone who has invested into SUFC for over 40 years, I - and thousands more- DO have a right to insist on investment from our owners. I'm not calling on them to threaten the future of our club, but surely they can see that we will not get a better chance of returning to the PL

 

[yorkshirecoast]

or let's keep within budget which is what is keeping the club solvent, that and an additional £6m/year from the owners.
None of us have the right to insist on any investment from the owners and Wilder gets that (if you listen to his interview) so why can't the fans?

If they are unwilling or unable to invest they should sell up. We have fallen behind many clubs much smaller than us simply because they have more financial backing. McCabe has overseen the worst period in our entire history and all indications are that him and the Prince are happy to see us continue to plod along.

 

[Tom Bott]

You see this I don’t understand...we missed out on permanently signing Leonard and Cole in the summer and the loan lad from Watford, who won’t have been cheap, so you’d assume there’s money from that...the £7 million Maguire/Kyle money is a big bonus this year and I believe TV money is around £7 million this year also, up from under £1 million last year.

I’m all for being prudent but we need to be realistic about where we are also.

UTB!

All very well only looking at the 'money in' side of accountancy but the clubs losses for the last X years have been
funded by someone.

How much have wages been increased from the pub league ?

I would love to know what the rates bill is for the ground, then divide by 23 to give a cost per game ?

There are plenty of 'money outs' to accountancy.

People talk of investment, but if you chuck 10 million in and fail to get promoted then it's not an investment as much as a loss for next season.

The money put into the Academy has been an investment, when you look at what we have produced.

Still while it is not our money it is easy to say that others should do this or that.

 

[Esablade]

All very well only looking at the 'money in' side of accountancy but the clubs losses for the last X years have been
funded by someone.

I would love to know what the rates bill is for the ground, then divide by 23 to give a cost per game ?

Yes, all clubs have running costs...it's an expensive hobby.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

According to this thread, we can make a fucking fortune in January:

Brooks: 10m+
Brookes: 10m+
Brooke's: (something belonging to Brooke, I'm not sure what): 10m+

Maybe Kev could sell Brookes, and Brooke's thing, whatever it is, and we could keep hold of David Brooks ?

 

[Addison]

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CW did mention loans or permanent when talking about outgoings not incomings. Giddings avoids giving a clear answer he's not listened to what was said and is now back tracking.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I've listened twice to the interview now and never heard Wilder quantity the nature of the deals he wants. I heard him saying 4 players but not that one was permanent - obviously Leonard - and the rest loans, despite Andy Giddings tweet. Am I missing something?

Yeah, the original posters’ anti board bias.
For example highlighting Widers clear speech to the media around any Brooks offer but then feels he needs to interpret for him that it “seems” the board aren’t backing him.
Strange that if Wilder is comfortable with clearly stating a position with Brooks, that he didn’t clearly say he’s not got the minimal backing he wanted from the board and they’re holding him back.

 

[Harvey Robinson-Smythe]

I think when he is sold we're going to be mighty disappointed with the fee.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

If they are unwilling or unable to invest they should sell up. We have fallen behind many clubs much smaller than us simply because they have more financial backing. McCabe has overseen the worst period in our entire history and all indications are that him and the Prince are happy to see us continue to plod along.

Finding a buyer for Sheffield United is easy,please pass on any investors name and details to our co owners who are holding us back

 

[Sean Thornton]

If they are unwilling or unable to invest they should sell up. We have fallen behind many clubs much smaller than us simply because they have more financial backing. McCabe has overseen the worst period in our entire history and all indications are that him and the Prince are happy to see us continue to plod along.

Do people actually believe this shit? Happy chucking £4m a year at it for no return?

 

[Davalon]

What about the rest of the midfield picking up a bug and the other man being banned for a tackle which usually goes unpunished.
Both competent right wing backs being injured at the same time.
I don't know how many other teams could put up such a list of misadventure. (And of course i'm not talking about the usual injuries(Moore) or those that could've been predicted (Evans) or justified dismissals (Clarke)).

1 game for Brooks and Duffy. 3 game suspension for Fleck for a tackle that would fairly often bring a red card today.

The post was referring to Coutts long term injury I replied to.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Do people actually believe this shit? Happy chucking £4m a year at it for no return?

This clown does,clearly

 

[Davalon]

As you and a few others have pointed out why do people continue to believe the crap thats put out by Radio Pig and the Pig stirrer newspaper. United Blade has posted the interview link, I recommend people listen to it.

CW didn't say what Giddings has tweeted. Shields even goes further and provides a laughable tweet that CW confirmed the accuracy of the Stirs article yesterday. That'll be the one that said a premiership club had bid £10 million.

This was the conversation below;

" Can you confirm there has been interest in Brooks this week" - Giddings
" There are a lot of off the record conversations with people agents and clubs asking if players are available. Yes I've had a conversation nothing changes with David from my point of view he's not for sale. I've made it loud and clear he's not for sale." - CW
" Everyone has a ceiling though" - Giddings
" That isn't decided by me as far as I am concerned he's not for sale. IF ANYBODY MAKES A BID IT WILL GO THROUGH TO THE CHIEF EXEC AND CHAIRMAN. " - CW. In other words no fkin bid has been received just a regular enquiry.

On incomings/outgoings

" If you get everything you want ideal world scenario how many additions would you like over the course of the month " Giddings

" Few will go out that haven't been involved in the first team this year. Part of my job is to make sure we get a good return for those players. We're possibly 1/2 midfield players short and a few more in a couple of positions. We're possibly looking at 4 players in if everybody stays. 4 players possibly going out on loan or permanent" - CW - Loans and permanent was a reference to players going out!!

This unnecessary shit storm is primarily down to Giddings but the Stir has once again misrepresented the facts. The Club really need to act and ban them both from the Club for a period so that they learn how to report facts not fiction.

For the few remaining Blades on here supporting both organisations give your head a shake.

As much as they'll have you believe otherwise, local journalists don't get to know anywhere near the full picture anymore like they once did years ago.

 

[Slim Man]

Yeah, the original posters’ anti board bias.
For example highlighting Widers clear speech to the media around any Brooks offer but then feels he needs to interpret for him that it “seems” the board aren’t backing him.
Strange that if Wilder is comfortable with clearly stating a position with Brooks, that he didn’t clearly say he’s not got the minimal backing he wanted from the board and they’re holding him back.

You’d have to be really stupid not to sense the undertones of that comment from him that he is ‘adamant’ Brooks shouldn’t be sold but it’s a board decision.
I have no anti board bias, that’s quite frankly a weird thing to say. It would be nice of them to back us once in a while mind.

 

[8lade]

How is it keeping within budget when we apparently tabled bids for Egan and Coady in the summer?

You answered the question yourself in one way 'apparently'. I'm sure had those offers come off we would not have moved on to Stearman and Leonard/Lundstram for example.

I don't agree, 8lade. As someone who has invested into SUFC for over 40 years, I - and thousands more- DO have a right to insist on investment from our owners. I'm not calling on them to threaten the future of our club, but surely they can see that we will not get a better chance of returning to the PL

And the owners are investing what can be afforded but asking for more is asking the club to go beyond it's means. And we will have chances just as good as this to get promoted, or don't you believe in Wilder?

If they are unwilling or unable to invest they should sell up. We have fallen behind many clubs much smaller than us simply because they have more financial backing. McCabe has overseen the worst period in our entire history and all indications are that him and the Prince are happy to see us continue to plod along.

Do you remember the hugely embarrassing Channel 5 program where they scammed a football club into believing there was a buyer waiting for them? Well that's what happens when you are not diligent enough when looking for buyers. And I'm sure the McCabe Empire will sell up as soon as the right deal comes along.

 

[Slim Man]

You answered the question yourself in one way 'apparently'. I'm sure had those offers come off we would not have moved on to Stearman and Leonard/Lundstram for example.


And the owners are investing what can be afforded but asking for more is asking the club to go beyond it's means. And we will have chances just as good as this to get promoted, or don't you believe in Wilder?


Do you remember the hugely embarrassing Channel 5 program where they scammed a football club into believing there was a buyer waiting for them? Well that's what happens when you are not diligent enough when looking for buyers. And I'm sure the McCabe Empire will sell up as soon as the right deal comes along.

John Egan features on the tactics/players board on the deadline day video we did. Unless there’s another Egan we were looking at who plays centre half and we can sign for sixpence?

 

[8lade]

John Egan features on the tactics/players board on the deadline day video we did. Unless there’s another Egan we were looking at who plays centre half and we can sign for sixpence?

OK fair enough I had to check back at this to make sure but I'm afraid you are mistaken. The JE is on the goalkeeper line.

 

[ucandomagic]

Here’s how I see the money side of things. An investment only works if you make a profit. Our owners will probably only make a profit if we get promoted and then they sell. Apart from the top 5 or 6, every club in the Prem is likely to risk relegation at least every 5 years. So if you’re going to sell - or at least hedge by partial selling - you need to have got to the Prem and then have sold fairly quickly before relegation looms.

Catch 22 - you may need to put in shitloads more cash to get to the Prem, and then if you don’t go up you have dug yourself an even deeper hole to get out of.

The ideal scenario is that we get promoted in the next 1 or 2 years with our current funding strategy, and then in that new financial world the owners would be in a position to decide to spend what is needed to stay up or to sell up at a profit and move on.

However, if we don’t get promoted in the next 2 years then it’s time for the owners to cut their losses and sell up, or risk more of their cash.

So, unless we find new investors who are investing for non financial reasons and don’t care what they pay, I can’t see either of our owners selling at present. Neither can I see any sense from their point of view to take big financial risks for themselves and the club.

We can afford Leonard, Cole and a couple more within our current strategy and still have a chance to go up this year. It is the only approach that makes real sense.

The Magic can Continue

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Are you thick or not read the OP?

Must be the former - read the whole thread including >25 posts from yourself the sum total of which you maintain (all contrary to any plausible evidence to the contrary):
Brooks meant to to score @ Millwall [the kid himself said it was a cross]
Were buying 1 & loaning 3 in January [I'm struggling to see where this originates from - apart from your (2nd) post - Tufty speaks of pursuing 1 possibly 2 midfielders & a couple more - NO specifics re funding beyond submitted 'upstairs'
We're (Uncle Kev) is hell bent on flogging DB ['informed' by Tufty stating that e doesn't want to sell but that ultimately it's the boards decision ie specific & factual
IF DB is flogged (by the board) Tufty will get SFA of the (undersold) coin he generates leading to CW having a strop & fucking off

If that's "thick" then mea culpa , guilty as charged
Not sure where that leaves you mind? Perhaps looking for a double decker bus on t'moon or sat in book depository with a snipers rifle in your hand !?!?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You’d have to be really stupid not to sense the undertones of that comment from him that he is ‘adamant’ Brooks shouldn’t be sold but it’s a board decision.
I have no anti board bias, that’s quite frankly a weird thing to say. It would be nice of them to back us once in a while mind.

That would depend on your bias.
You have no evidence or even comment that Wilder feels he’s not been backed, and yet you mention it in your post.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Bloke on VIP Blades (I know) who normally gets good info says the budget has gone down from £6m to £2m.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

tbh, i dont blame people's blood pressure rising to the tweet - not everyone has time to sit and listen to initial interview. It was a shit tweet.

And therein lies the rub:
Too busy to listen to what is (not) said by the original source
OR
Believe someone else's truncated (mis) interpretation / misrepresentation / conjecture

 

[BushBlade]

Here’s how I see the money side of things. An investment only works if you make a profit. Our owners will probably only make a profit if we get promoted and then they sell. Apart from the top 5 or 6, every club in the Prem is likely to risk relegation at least every 5 years. So if you’re going to sell - or at least hedge by partial selling - you need to have got to the Prem and then have sold fairly quickly before relegation looms.

Catch 22 - you may need to put in shitloads more cash to get to the Prem, and then if you don’t go up you have dug yourself an even deeper hole to get out of.

The ideal scenario is that we get promoted in the next 1 or 2 years with our current funding strategy, and then in that new financial world the owners would be in a position to decide to spend what is needed to stay up or to sell up at a profit and move on.

However, if we don’t get promoted in the next 2 years then it’s time for the owners to cut their losses and sell up, or risk more of their cash.

So, unless we find new investors who are investing for non financial reasons and don’t care what they pay, I can’t see either of our owners selling at present. Neither can I see any sense from their point of view to take big financial risks for themselves and the club.

We can afford Leonard, Cole and a couple more within our current strategy and still have a chance to go up this year. It is the only approach that makes real sense.

The Magic can Continue

Agree with that although I don't think KM really intended to make money, just run the club at break even, after putting a bit of cash in to sort things out when he took over. I don't think he expected to lose anything like the amount he has either. I'd be surprised if he was happy losing much more.

The Prince has made it clear he considered buying into the club as an investment. So, from his point of view, the investment started when he took over and started putting money in.

My rough valuation of a championship club is £40-50m. So, for the Prince's investment to be profitable, we needed to get into the championship for less than that. If he sold out now, he'd have done OK. But once his total investment exceeds £20-25m, if we're not in the PL, he potentially loses money. And every year he puts more money in, he will lose that too if we don't go up.

Or look at it another way. The money that has been lost by the last two owners of Forest was more than could be recovered by getting into the PL.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Bloke on VIP Blades (I know) who normally gets good info says the budget has gone down from £6m to £2m.

Sounds odd? Did he go into any detail?

 

[Addison]

And therein lies the rub:
Too busy to listen to what is (not) said by the original source
OR
Believe someone else's truncated (mis) interpretation / misrepresentation / conjecture

Exactly Giddings and Shields will have to apply for bigger keep nets after this. I understand there used to be a poster who provided a truncated version of CW's interviews on this forum. Trouble was he used to put his own slant on them. Maybe we need to go back to that to stop the knicker wetting that has gone on to-day.

 

[Espania blade]

Here’s how I see the money side of things. An investment only works if you make a profit. Our owners will probably only make a profit if we get promoted and then they sell. Apart from the top 5 or 6, every club in the Prem is likely to risk relegation at least every 5 years. So if you’re going to sell - or at least hedge by partial selling - you need to have got to the Prem and then have sold fairly quickly before relegation looms.

Catch 22 - you may need to put in shitloads more cash to get to the Prem, and then if you don’t go up you have dug yourself an even deeper hole to get out of.

The ideal scenario is that we get promoted in the next 1 or 2 years with our current funding strategy, and then in that new financial world the owners would be in a position to decide to spend what is needed to stay up or to sell up at a profit and move on.



However, if we don’t get promoted in the next 2 years then it’s time for the owners to cut their losses and sell up, or risk more of their cash.

So, unless we find new investors who are investing for non financial reasons and don’t care what they pay, I can’t see either of our owners selling at present. Neither can I see any sense from their point of view to take big financial risks for themselves and the club.

We can afford Leonard, Cole and a couple more within our current strategy and still have a chance to go up this year. It is the only approach that makes real sense.

The Magic can Continue

Exactly this.

 

[FlamingLip]

And therein lies the rub:
Too busy to listen to what is (not) said by the original source
OR
Believe someone else's truncated (mis) interpretation / misrepresentation / conjecture

Absolutely if people spit blood at a sun headline or tweet regarding an apparent player target - have plenty of salt at the ready. But a relatively trusted local radio presenter bending his own story to be provocative/sensationalist, was always going to snag some immediate negative response, of which I can sympathise as o was chuntering behind me desk at work