Chris being too clever again?

[mattbianco1]

He had a similar blip last year with a changed team. Agree? Disagree? Discuss.

I'm confused at "again"?

 

[LJBlade]

You know that for certain, do you? I'm assuming you are either:

a. Chris Wilder
b. Alan Knill

If not, show your working out, being as you are so assured about this.



Yeah, you do. Just like WWF and his 'I know the budget' bollocks, it seems we have someone here who can second guess CW or has some ITK spidey sense on what he's thinking. So ... c'mon. Let's have it. How do you know he wouldn't do it?



I dunno. But you seem pretty sure. Why's that? Or is that an assumption? Or just you talking bollocks? You're no nearer the truth than I am, so what's your problem?

pommpey

Ah, so I have to back up the things I say but you don’t, despite the fact that it was your original claim that started this.

Do you think appeasing another team is a good reason for resting your best player? Do you think Wilder is the sort of manager who would put the team at risk unless he had a good reason to do so.

I think it’s fairly obvious that Wilder wouldn’t give two fucks about Wales.

If you’re that desperate to come up with something negative in order to try and knock the club I’m sure you could think of something more believable

 

[LJBlade]

I'm confused at "again"?

I think it’s called shit stirring. Have you noticed he’s not been back to the thread to explain what he means?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Well, Brooks was on the bench. There's a starter.

Then, he's been selected for the Welsh national side.

pommpey

The likelihood that the two are connected is remote. Had he been called up to the U21s again instead, do you think Wilder would have selected a different XI today? I don't for a minute, even if Wales were planning to start him next Friday (which absolutely won't happen).

 

[pommpey]

Ah, so I have to back up the things I say but you don’t, despite the fact that it was your original claim that started this.

No. 'Appears to'. Again, do you have any other reason which may counter that, based on fact rather than your need for a dust up? If not, piss off, eh?

If you’re that desperate to come up with something negative in order to try and knock the club I’m sure you could think of something more believable

Again, there's nothing negative suggesting we had our best player on the bench is because he has been selected for Wales and has another match in a week where the rest of the team has the week free. Unless you want a dust up.

Like I say, if you wish to counter my suggestion, come up with 'evidence' rather than conjecture. You seem to be ITK and have the ear of Wilder, because of your comments. Let's have it then.

pommpey

 

[dronny_blade]

Kin ell what an awful post, the '..again' got me! He's had what, 60(ish) games in charge and someone's questioning his decision making 'again', give the social media up pal ffs, this isn't about free speech or making your opinion made, you are simply after some attention, so if it means I'm banned from this site so be it...but my response to you is just fuck off!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Hmm. Possibly because Brooks is patently something way above the game changing ability we need, and maybe today we needed that level of skill to invigorate a stagnating first half. Cast your mind back to the last time Brooks played with Donaldson and the defence-splitting pass he delivered for his second goal. Cast your mind to the game against the pigs and his jinksy runs at their defence, one of which caused the first goal and his deftness throughout that match, again setting up Clarke for his second goal. Many comments have come out of today how flat and uninspiring we seemed. Maybe you think keeping a talismanic playmaker on the bench is a great idea but I disagree. He has stamped his authority on the team and deserves a start every game. Again, others on here have suggested, 'he wont get the two weeks off' which is facile rubbish. He's twenty and easily able to start every game as do many young players in all divisions. We needed him today. Resting Clarke I can understand. Brooks, no.

Hope this helps.

pommpey

Losing

Great post match appraisal once again from the manager, top bloke managing a top team, proud to be a Blade!

Yep agreed Captain to lose one now after winning 6 from last 7 won't do us any arm at all the players know they were the best team today but lost and Wilder won't let them forget it.
We are a team in the making and are not there yet but we have come a long way this season with a lot more to come. Wilder won't be satisfied with being best team and losing you could tell that from his interview.He will drive the players on put this one to bed and look forward to next game. He knows this squad can reach even.. greater heights .
Stay in the mix until January and with the right strengthening ( and that Doasnt mean busting our wage structure ) we can go close or even do it this season the team as it is now can and will get better .

 

[FleaPitBlade]

Its all ifs, buts and maybe's.

Even so, if anyone does believe the selection or tactics were a bollock dropped today then I make that 1 mark in the against column versus about eleventy billion in the for.

 

[LJBlade]

No. 'Appears to'. Again, do you have any other reason which may counter that, based on fact rather than your need for a dust up? If not, piss off, eh?



Again, there's nothing negative suggesting we had our best player on the bench is because he has been selected for Wales and has another match in a week where the rest of the team has the week free. Unless you want a dust up.

Like I say, if you wish to counter my suggestion, come up with 'evidence' rather than conjecture. You seem to be ITK and have the ear of Wilder, because of your comments. Let's have it then.

pommpey

Piss off? I do apologise for calling you out on your bullshit. If you don’t like it though you shouldn’t do it.

So let’s get back to the start. You said “we appear to have rested Brooks for Wales”. How did it appear that we had done that?

That was my original point and you have yet to answer it.

 

[pommpey]

So let’s get back to the start. You said “we appear to have rested Brooks for Wales”. How did it appear that we had done that?

1. Brooks on bench
2. Brooks called up for Wales

Easy, innit?

You, however say that Wilder wouldn't do that. How do you know? You haven't answered that. So, c'mon. Out with it.

pommpey

 

[speedymcgeady]

I don't blame Chris for trying to keep players fresh & sometimes rested at all. He is a smarter man than most on here about how players are performing, injured or tiring.

The only suggestion that I would make is to rest Jake Wright later in the game when we have demoralised the opposition by not letting them score and us getting well in front by playing him at the start of games. Bringing him on after conceding is a bit like shutting the door after the horse has bolted. This is certainly not a criticism of Chris, merely we may have learned an important lesson today that had not been recognised before and may help us in the future.

Pretty much the same as I said today. Listened to the game while working, and it seemed like we weren't as organised at the back,as when Wright starts.

 

[LJBlade]

1. Brooks on bench
2. Brooks called up for Wales

Easy, innit?

You, however say that Wilder wouldn't do that. How do you know? You haven't answered that. So, c'mon. Out with it.

pommpey

There’s no correlation between us resting Brooks and him being called up for Wales. He won’t even play for Wales so what would be the point. Is that really the best you’ve got?

Because he’s a good manager and good managers wouldn’t risk the chances of their own team winning. Why would they? There’s no logic in it. What has Wilder got to gain by appeasing Wales?

I know you like to bash the club at every opportunity but I think you’ve pushed yourself a bit too far this time.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Nope just rested a couple of players.

Of course there was a time when "resting" players was deemed unnecessary or impossible.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

fwiw, I'd put Jake Wright and Paul Coutts onto the team sheet, photocopy x remaining games and then fill it in from there each week. They're the lynchpins of the whole system for me.

(then I'd buy a bottle of tipex only to be used in case of suspension or injury)

 

[pommpey]

There’s no correlation between us resting Brooks and him being called up for Wales. He won’t even play for Wales so what would be the point. Is that really the best you’ve got?

How do you know this? Also, how do you know he wont play for Wales? Blimey, you have got some crystal ball, haven't you? Care to help me with an accumulator next week?

Because he’s a good manager and good managers wouldn’t risk the chances of their own team winning. Why would they? There’s no logic in it. What has Wilder got to gain by appeasing Wales?

So, why not play him? The kid is on fire, and oppositions shit their pants about him. Far better to be bringing him off at 70 mins when 3-0 up than sticking him on when 1-2 down, wouldn't you say?

I know you like to bash the club at every opportunity but I think you’ve pushed yourself a bit too far this time.

'Too far'? Christ, you are a sensitive soul, aren't you? What about others who have been equally critical of Wilder's decisions today? You on their case? You're not, are you. Odd person.

FYI, I haven't been 'bashing the club', in fact, ever. I've had my beef with McCabe and his fucked up governance of the club in the past but these days, we seem to lack his meddling. Maybe you know enough to tell us why?

Hope this helps. Again.

pommpey

 

[LJBlade]

How do you know this? Also, how do you know he wont play for Wales? Blimey, you have got some crystal ball, haven't you? Care to help me with an accumulator next week?



So, why not play him? The kid is on fire, and oppositions shit their pants about him. Far better to be bringing him off at 70 mins when 3-0 up than sticking him on when 1-2 down, wouldn't you say?



'Too far'? Christ, you are a sensitive soul, aren't you? What about others who have been equally critical of Wilder's decisions today? You on their case? You're not, are you. Odd person.

FYI, I haven't been 'bashing the club', in fact, ever. I've had my beef with McCabe and his fucked up governance of the club in the past but these days, we seem to lack his meddling. Maybe you know enough to tell us why?

Hope this helps. Again.

pommpey

So after typing all of that out you still can’t provide any evidence for what you claim. Do you even believe it yourself?

Why not play him? I’ve no idea, I agreed with you earlier that it might’ve been a mistake. Like I said though I’m sure Wilder had a good reason. Resting him for another team is not a good reason.

Do you agree that a good manager wouldn’t rest a player for another team?

 

[pommpey]

So after typing all of that out you still can’t provide any evidence for what you claim. Do you even believe it yourself?

Why not play him? I’ve no idea, I agreed with you earlier that it might’ve been a mistake. Like I said though I’m sure Wilder had a good reason. Resting him for another team is not a good reason.

Do you agree that a good manager wouldn’t rest a player for another team?

Its plausible. But you haven't answered why Wilder rested him to counter that.

pommpey

 

[LJBlade]

Its plausible. But you haven't answered why Wilder rested him to counter that.

pommpey

I have, I've said I’ve no idea but he would’ve done so with good reasoning. A good reason is not to keep Wales happy, I’m sure you’ll agree. Are you saying Wilder rested Brooks without a good reason?

I’m sure it could be something simple like he thought Brooks could do with a rest, a bit like he did with Clarke and Wright, unless you’re going to suggest he rested them to keep someone else happy as well.

Whilst you’re making things up, what do you think Wilder had to gain by keeping Wales happy?

 

[wavy-blade]

Personally I think Chris got it wrong today , we were ahead of a 2 week break , so the players could rest then , we had a winning team with strikers who were jelling nicely , I would have left the team alone then if they were losing or it wasn't working , at half time then made changes .
However losing today will not be a bad thing because after the break Chris and the players will want to get back on the winning run again so they will extra incentive to win the next match !

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

I think Baldock going off injured was more of a shove towards losing than not starting Brooks and Clarke. We won games without them prior to Wendy, considering that was Brooks' first league start.

If we had Baldock on we might have got something today, but we looked a bit lopsided without him and they had us sussed, loads of red shirts behind the ball and make us faff about until they get possession.

Unfortunately we're tired, and a couple of previously solid players had a bit of a bad day. It happens.

Positives are there to be had, we look to have some good free kicks, Lundstram looked good, and we kept trying even though everyone was so obviously on their last legs and a few players were out of position.

Defo missed Baldock's distribution, especially with Basham going to right wingback. A lot of the team were dead on their feet in the final quarter, but still put in a tremendous effort in the last 10-15 minutes and were unlucky not to get the equaliser.

 

[pommpey]

I have, I've said I’ve no idea but he would’ve done so with good reasoning. A good reason is not to keep Wales happy, I’m sure you’ll agree. Are you saying Wilder rested Brooks without a good reason?

Yeah. He's 20, and on fire. Look around at similar teams and the PL. Many young players playing three games per week. We missed his skill and creativity today.

I’m sure it could be something simple like he thought Brooks could do with a rest, a bit like he did with Clarke and Wright, unless you’re going to suggest he rested them to keep someone else happy as well.

Well, you've got nil evidence to suggest otherwise, have you? Apart from your assumptions. Just like me, in fact.

Whilst you’re making things up, what do you think Wilder had to gain by keeping Wales happy?

Maybe Brooks suggested it, maybe not. Again, like you, I am making assumptions, but not afraid to admit that. You, however are telling us 'facts'. Based on your opinions. Based on assumptions. See where this is going?

pommpey

 

[The Raven]

Most of this shite just demonstrates why Wilder’s our manager... and they’re not.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I think we were all surprised and a bit disappointed with the starting 11, but the facts are we played better in the first half with them on the pitch than we did in the second half. So work that one out?

 

[LJBlade]

Yeah. He's 20, and on fire. Look around at similar teams and the PL. Many young players playing three games per week. We missed his skill and creativity today.



Well, you've got nil evidence to suggest otherwise, have you? Apart from your assumptions. Just like me, in fact.



Maybe Brooks suggested it, maybe not. Again, like you, I am making assumptions, but not afraid to admit that. You, however are telling us 'facts'. Based on your opinions. Based on assumptions. See where this is going?

pommpey

Do 20 year olds not get tired? Especially those who aren’t used to playing 3 games in a week?

Nope, you said that it ‘appeared’ that we were resting Brooks for Wales. You never said you assumed we had rested him for Wales.

I’ll try again, how did it appear that we had rested him for Wales?

Again, what did Wilder stand to gain from appeasing Wales?

The difference between your assumptions and mine is that mine are based on logic. i.e a good manager wouldn’t care about another team (as you’ve agreed). I think Wilder is a good manager so he won’t have rested Brooks for the reason you suggest. Your argument is that there couldn’t possibly be any other reason for Brooks being on the bench other than to make Wales happy. If you can’t see the idiocy behind this then I can’t help you.

Do you ever wonder why your initial reaction is to be as negative as possible? It’s quite strange

 

[Champagneblade]

All this overlooks Duffy’s claim for a spot.

Under most circumstances he would have started at Wolves, where he came on and created another goal.

Three games in a week can cause injury if overworked.

He might have liked to rest Leon and Brooks in midweek for their weekend exertions but not enough fit players.

We played well though so performance wasn’t impacted. You will occasionally get results you don’t deserve but the performance was there.

Personally I would have brought in Duffy over Lundstram but Chris knows what he’s doing.

 

[pommpey]

Do 20 year olds not get tired? Especially those who aren’t used to playing 3 games in a week?

Nope, you said that it ‘appeared’ that we were resting Brooks for Wales. You never said you assumed we had rested him for Wales.

I’ll try again, how did it appear that we had rested him for Wales?

Again, what did Wilder stand to gain from appeasing Wales?

The difference between your assumptions and mine is that mine are based on logic. i.e a good manager wouldn’t care about another team (as you’ve agreed). I think Wilder is a good manager so he won’t have rested Brooks for the reason you suggest. Your argument is that there couldn’t possibly be any other reason for Brooks being on the bench other than to make Wales happy. If you can’t see the idiocy behind this then I can’t help you.

Do you ever wonder why your initial reaction is to be as negative as possible? It’s quite strange

And you have typed all of that, contributing nothing to the debate, despite assuring us you have some sort of ITK status either on Wilder, or on the Wales selection of Brooks.

You have achieved nothing. You're not happy people have countering opinions, and have tied yourself in knots, because you yourself can't provide any fact-based evidence to disprove or prove my posit. 'Logic'? No. It's 'opinion'. Why not just give up?

pommpey

 

[LJBlade]

And you have typed all of that, contributing nothing to the debate, despite assuring us you have some sort of ITK status either on Wilder, or on the Wales selection of Brooks.

You have achieved nothing. You're not happy people have countering opinions, and have tied yourself in knots, because you yourself can't provide any fact-based evidence to disprove or prove my posit. 'Logic'? No. It's 'opinion'. Why not just give up?

pommpey

Where have assured anything? I bet you can’t point that out.

People can have different opinions. I don’t like it when people spout unsubstantiated bollocks on here because they have some sort of grudge against the club.

You can try to twist things all you like but so far you’ve been unable to back up the claims that started all of this. I’ll give you one more go. How did it appear that we had rested Brooks for Wales? It’s a simple question.

Have you always been a negative person?

 

[Barney]

Do 20 year olds not get tired? Especially those who aren’t used to playing 3 games in a week?

Nope, you said that it ‘appeared’ that we were resting Brooks for Wales. You never said you assumed we had rested him for Wales.

I’ll try again, how did it appear that we had rested him for Wales?

Again, what did Wilder stand to gain from appeasing Wales?

The difference between your assumptions and mine is that mine are based on logic. i.e a good manager wouldn’t care about another team (as you’ve agreed). I think Wilder is a good manager so he won’t have rested Brooks for the reason you suggest. Your argument is that there couldn’t possibly be any other reason for Brooks being on the bench other than to make Wales happy. If you can’t see the idiocy behind this then I can’t help you.

Do you ever wonder why your initial reaction is to be as negative as possible? It’s quite strange

I always sigh when I see "rested" or "tired". What, a player has had 2 days instead of 3 to recover from running around for 90 minutes? Imagine if a young lad in the Army told his sergeant he was too tired to go out on a 90 minute run because he's only had 2 days rest and he needed 3. Not happenin' is it.

 

[LJBlade]

I always sigh when I see "rested" or "tired". What, a player has had 2 days instead of 3 to recover from running around for 90 minutes? Imagine if a young lad in the Army told his sergeant he was too tired to go out on a 90 minute run because he's only had 2 days rest and he needed 3. Not happenin' is it.

Oh I’m sure that the young lad in the army would be able to go on the 90 minute run, doesn’t mean he’s going to be breaking his personal best though.

The same can be said about footballers. They’d be able to go out and play 3 games in a week, does mean they’re going to be at their very best or most effective for all 3 games. I’m sure this is what Wilder was thinking about when he decided to put some fresh legs in.

 

[Ihadadream]

stop stirring

I don’t get why we would need to rest players when we have an international break coming up surely strongest team should play then give em the time off during the break....that said hard to knock Wilder as he don’t make many errors but maybe this time we were trying to be a bit too cute