Ched Evans - concerned yet?

[Blade82]

As an aside, I like us playing one up front and an attacking, fit, quick midfield, I think it coukd suit our style of play at times this season

For too long we played 1 up front with no success. We finally get a successful team and formation and you want to change it?

3-5-2 is the perfect formation for the modern game. 3 cb's gives plenty of protection at the pack. 3 in CM to boss games or not to get overrun against teams who favour 4-5-1. 2 up top which give you the presence and options up front.

We will do just fine this year carrying on with this formation, it would be suicidal to change it now

 

[TJB.]

I have said this before but our striker situation is a obviously not ideal. Why on earth has CW been talking about getting a striker when we have 6 already ?

He's been taking tips off Warnock

We need another in my eyes. One who doesn't have as many question marks over their head when it comes to scoring goals at Championship level. As it stands, there's only really Billy who has done it regularly before and we're not sure who else will take to banging them in up front.

But this is the good thing about our transfer strategy. Get em in early then see what we could do with before the window shuts.

Only issue is cash. We've seen the fees flying around and we know what we're up against. Fingers crossed for a talented Prem youngster on loan looking for a chance, or a nifty bit of scouting from abroad.

Obviously I'd love to see Lavery given a chance and to see what he can do, but if he's not looking up to it, I dunno who we currently have that we can fall back on. So we need another option.

 

[Snowman]

Ok if it was January the same principle still applies - you get my drift surely? What's point in rushing him? We're all excited and eager for him to come back but no point everyone getting their knickers in a twist about it. He'll be ready when Wilder says so.

All? Excited? Eager? Count me out of all three. Thought the signing was daft, however I see the point that it could be a worthwhile punt and I hope he comes good. At the moment not looking too clever. My knickers are pretty straight thanks.

 

[Jon P]

All? Excited? Eager? Count me out of all three. Thought the signing was daft, however I see the point that it could be a worthwhile punt and I hope he comes good. At the moment not looking too clever. My knickers are pretty straight thanks.

Ooherr suit you sir

 

[SB_90]

im not trying to be rightous because of 2 things 1 he could still prove me wrong & also he is voldermort because to start an argument. just mention his name. but my ive always felt he was more baggage than he is worth. because to "break even" he wouldve have to get 15/20 goals a season every yr.

ive never got why he is was treated like a god, considering that court case aside. what he did costing us promotion for his hypocriticalness

 

[sitwell]

We are desperate for another striker.

Evans won't start 5 games and even if he does is he going to have any impact?
Hanson is trash.
Clarke has struggled in the championship before.
Lavery has some talents and pace but not clinical enough.

Leaves Billy... no pressure eh? What if he goes through a bad spell?

Stick Enda upfront by sounds of it.

Mathew the blade in disguise

 

[SUFC Guy]

So as pre season draws to a close tonight, Evans has managed to appear for a total of 17 minutes plus injury time.

That's 17 more minutes than Baldock then yeah? (oh yeah they are both injured)

Let's see what happens when he is 100% fit. It might be Nov or Dec before that happens but let's wait and see how he gets on before the doom and gloom merchants write his season off!

 

[SUFC Guy]

Oh and while we are Ched bashing, I see the divide in the playing staff that signing Ched would cause is coming to fruition...

5 games - 5 wins

 

[Smirth]

That's 17 more minutes than Baldock then yeah? (oh yeah they are both injured)

Let's see what happens when he is 100% fit. It might be Nov or Dec before that happens but let's wait and see how he gets on before the doom and gloom merchants write his season off!

No, Baldock played 45 against Stocksbridge.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Ok if it was January the same principle still applies - you get my drift surely? What's point in rushing him? We're all excited and eager for him to come back but no point everyone getting their knickers in a twist about it. He'll be ready when Wilder says so.

The give-him-all-the-time-in-the-world-to-get-fit approach is fine if we're winning plenty and have fit strikers in form that can be relied on. It's less fine if we're reliant on multiple options up front to provide us with goals. Lavery barely got going till Christmas and then finished the season early through injury at an important moment. That is not the model to pin Evans to as though it was a roaring success – luckily Clarke stepped in with his best form at the same time to make Lavery's absence inconsequential.

Lavery hasn't actually proven his fitness for us yet, making it doubly important we get another in if Evans is going to continue to be unreliable.

 

[SUFC Guy]

No, Baldock played 45 against Stocksbridge.

I stand corrected but the principle still applies - you can't get minutes under your belt if you are injured! Let's revisit this when he plays again and how he reacts to it.
Don't know how the hip injury happened but if it's an impact injury then no matter who it is, they are going to be out for a time - time out depends on the extent of it.

 

[SUFC Guy]

The give-him-all-the-time-in-the-world-to-get-fit approach is fine if we're winning plenty and have fit strikers in form that can be relied on. It's less fine if we're reliant on multiple options up front to provide us with goals. Lavery barely got going till Christmas and then finished the season early through injury at an important moment. That is not the model to pin Evans to as though it was a roaring success – luckily Clarke stepped in with his best form at the same time to make Lavery's absence inconsequential.

Lavery hasn't actually proven his fitness for us yet, making it doubly important we get another in if Evans is going to continue to be unreliable.

We do need another striker yes and CWAK has already confirmed this. Who that will be though is anyone's guess!

 

[Slim Man]

Mathew the blade in disguise

Yawn

 

[Revolution]

All he needs is a third pre season and I'm sure he'll be fine!

 

[Matthew the blade]

So as pre season draws to a close tonight, Evans has managed to appear for a total of 17 minutes plus injury time. Following on from having only made 6 starts for Chesterfield since January his fitness must be a huge concern going in to the new season.

Many people thought that with a full pre season behind him he could be a good performer next season and an astute signing. Surely though the lack of football he's had is a real concern and he is going to be left playing catch up as we start the season. He already has Sharp, Lavery, Clarke and probably Hanson in front of him in the pecking order so he's going to have a hell of a lot of work to do to get fit and in the side.

He could yet turn out well but at this stage with pre season finished I am left questioning even more now what the point in signing him was.

Don't know how You have done it, I did a thread questioning his fitness, and all I got was hate. Well done aha

 

[SwissBlade]

In Wilder We Trust and all, but this signing has Barry Hayles written all over it.

Barry Hayles was very different. He was fit, but had an attitude

 

[Bladesway]

There's nothing more boring than people complaining about others starting threads.

No, really there is. Mock concern for the sake of starting yet another thread is up there.

 

[Bladesway]

Why is Hanson trash mate? He gets on the end of long balls and usually directs them our way.

Minds are made up and cannot be changed. People know better than our Championship, 100 point winning manager so don't doubt or question them. Oh and that is all before the season has started.

 

[I should coco]

at this stage with pre season finished I am left questioning even more now what the point in signing him was.

I am left questioning why some of our fans can't seem to trust our manger.

No signing is ever guaranteed.
Some work out well, others don't.
That's life,

There's nothing more boring than people complaining about others starting threads

Oh yes there is. Pointless knocking threads about Ched, for starters.

 

[Muttley]

Dissaoppointed that Ched hasn't had more game time. Sort of what I expected though. I doubt we will see much of him for a while, but hopefully we wont need him.

 

[Smirth]

I am left questioning why some of our fans can't seem to trust our manger.

No signing is ever guaranteed.
Some work out well, others don't.
That's life,



Oh yes there is. Pointless knocking threads about Ched, for starters.

It's a discussion point. I haven't said I don't trust Wilder, but we are allowed to have different opinions to the man.

He was injured when we signed him, he's still injured now and has barely played any football all pre season, I think it's fair game to be concerned about it.

Also, this isn't reallly a thread knocking Ched but if you wish to interpret it that way, feel free.

 

[YES Blade]

I'll trust the judgement of a man who has collected 199 league points over 2 seasons, winning the title in both years, than that of a few posters having a whine on here.

Why are you on a fans message board then? You do know this site is all about fans posting their opinions?

 

[axel smeets]

Why are you on a fans message board then? You do know this site is all about fans posting their opinions?

I do apologise. I will check with you in advance in the future before I post any opinion that conflicts with your own.

 

[Smirth]

I'll trust the judgement of a man who has collected 199 league points over 2 seasons, winning the title in both years, than that of a few posters having a whine on here.

Who's whining?

 

[YES Blade]

I do apologise. I will check with you in advance in the future before I post any opinion that conflicts with your own.

You didn't post an opinion you posted a fact, we all know Wilder is a great manager that has won back to back Championships.

It's a message board, fans come on to give opinions and in this case about a player. Why try and turn it into questioning Wilder?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

So as pre season draws to a close tonight, Evans has managed to appear for a total of 17 minutes plus injury time. Following on from having only made 6 starts for Chesterfield since January his fitness must be a huge concern going in to the new season.

Many people thought that with a full pre season behind him he could be a good performer next season and an astute signing. Surely though the lack of football he's had is a real concern and he is going to be left playing catch up as we start the season. He already has Sharp, Lavery, Clarke and probably Hanson in front of him in the pecking order so he's going to have a hell of a lot of work to do to get fit and in the side.

He could yet turn out well but at this stage with pre season finished I am left questioning even more now what the point in signing him was.

That's ever so easy to answer, and really, you should be able to work it out for yourself.

The reason for signing Evans is that he has proven his ability at a high level in domestic and international football. He's played for Premiership team Manchester City in Europe, he's played for the Welsh National team and he's played in the Championship, scoring 10 goals in 28 appearances for Norwich City and earning rave reviews there (their fans wanted to keep him) before joining us - and we all should remember just how good he was for us in his last season - in fact, he wasn't just good - he was phenomenal.

There is absolutely not one jot of doubt about Evan's ability - not a single jot. What there is a lot of doubt about is whether Evans can actually get himself back to a state of fitness that will allow him to play at that level again. Given the time he's spent out of the game and his injury problems since returning at Chesterfield this was always going to be a gamble. BUT, we knew that at the time and we haven't paid big money for him and he's not on big wages. We've simply speculated, in the hope that he might return to full fitness. If doesn't, hey-ho! We've lost nothing because we've signed him for a pittance. If he does - then we've just bagged ourselves the bargain of the century!

I said on here several weeks ago, when people were speculating about who would be in the starting line up (and some were suggesting it would be Evans and Sharp), that Evans would not start to begin with. Go back and check out the conversation if you like, but I said that because Evans had been out for such a long time he would be gently eased back into it. We don't want to thrust him straight back into the intensity of competitive league football until we are sure that he's over the recurring ankle problem. So it will be short cameo appearances, maybe from September onwards, in my opinion.

Now, is there any other doubt you'd like to cast on the wisdom of signing Evans? Because to me, this is all turning out exactly as I expected it to.

 

[Smirth]

That's ever so easy to answer, and really, you should be able to work it out for yourself.

The reason for signing Evans is that he has proven his ability at a high level in domestic and international football. He's played for Premiership team Manchester City in Europe, he's played for the Welsh National team and he's played in the Championship, scoring 10 goals in 28 appearances for Norwich City and earning rave reviews there (their fans wanted to keep him) before joining us - and we all should remember just how good he was for us in his last season - in fact, he wasn't just good - he was phenomenal.

There is absolutely not one jot of doubt about Evan's ability - not a single jot. What there is a lot of doubt about is whether Evans can actually get himself back to a state of fitness that will allow him to play at that level again. Given the time he's spent out of the game and his injury problems since returning at Chesterfield this was always going to be a gamble. BUT, we knew that at the time and we haven't paid big money for him and he's not on big wages. We've simply speculated, in the hope that he might return to full fitness. If doesn't, hey-ho! We've lost nothing because we've signed him for a pittance. If he does - then we've just bagged ourselves the bargain of the century!

I said on here several weeks ago, when people were speculating about who would be in the starting line up (and some were suggesting it would be Evans and Sharp), that Evans would not start to begin with. Go back and check out the conversation if you like, but I said that because Evans had been out for such a long time he would be gently eased back into it. We don't want to thrust him straight back into the intensity of competitive league football until we are sure that he's over the recurring ankle problem. So it will be short cameo appearances, maybe from September onwards, in my opinion.

Now, is there any other doubt you'd like to cast on the wisdom of signing Evans? Because to me, this is all turning out exactly as I expected it to.

He was at Norwich 10 years ago! I really don't think his spell there is in the least bit relevant now.

 

[axel smeets]

You didn't post an opinion you posted a fact, we all know Wilder is a great manager that has won back to back Championships.

It's a message board, fans come on to give opinions and in this case about a player. Why try and turn it into questioning Wilder?

Well, I didn't sign him, you didn't sign him but someone else did. Wilder. The buck, as Harry S Truman said, stops here, with the manager. He lives and dies with his signings and results. I think people are questioning his judgement. I don't think we should at this stage.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

That's ever so easy to answer, and really, you should be able to work it out for yourself.

The reason for signing Evans is that he has proven his ability at a high level in domestic and international football. He's played for Premiership team Manchester City in Europe, he's played for the Welsh National team and he's played in the Championship, scoring 10 goals in 28 appearances for Norwich City and earning rave reviews there (their fans wanted to keep him) before joining us - and we all should remember just how good he was for us in his last season - in fact, he wasn't just good - he was phenomenal.

There is absolutely not one jot of doubt about Evan's ability - not a single jot. What there is a lot of doubt about is whether Evans can actually get himself back to a state of fitness that will allow him to play at that level again. Given the time he's spent out of the game and his injury problems since returning at Chesterfield this was always going to be a gamble. BUT, we knew that at the time and we haven't paid big money for him and he's not on big wages. We've simply speculated, in the hope that he might return to full fitness. If doesn't, hey-ho! We've lost nothing because we've signed him for a pittance. If he does - then we've just bagged ourselves the bargain of the century!

I said on here several weeks ago, when people were speculating about who would be in the starting line up (and some were suggesting it would be Evans and Sharp), that Evans would not start to begin with. Go back and check out the conversation if you like, but I said that because Evans had been out for such a long time he would be gently eased back into it. We don't want to thrust him straight back into the intensity of competitive league football until we are sure that he's over the recurring ankle problem. So it will be short cameo appearances, maybe from September onwards, in my opinion.

Now, is there any other doubt you'd like to cast on the wisdom of signing Evans? Because to me, this is all turning out exactly as I expected it to.

I'd also suggest that I'm sure his contract will be loaded towards appearance/goal bonuses, so if he isn't playing he'll be getting paid very little.

Low risk signing.

 

[gavtheblade]

I've seen some excellent possession and quick attacking football from the blades pre season.
Be a shame to see good passages of play being wasted because we have no end product .
Billy I think will struggle if played on his own.
Clarke is gonna be bench warming I think.
Hanson will be reffed out of games and will be target for yellow cards.
Lavery has potential but no height.
Still a striker shy me thinks.