Che Adams

[Sheffsteel]

Good luck to CA and DCL, no brainer for them to move on, more money, playing alongside technically better players and coaches who can probably move them to the next level, or stay with a football club that is stagnating what a choice.

You forgot to add that they weren't good enough for our 1st team and you would rather us turn down over 1 million.

Using your logic if a club offered 2 million for Long and 2 million for Reid then you'd accuse the club of bad business taking 4 million to sell their your talent.

Wish people could live in the real world. We need instant promotion not gambling on young players with potential that night or might not be excellent players in 2 or 3 years.

For every Kyle Walker deal there are many more Jordan Slew deals.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Adams did a Raheem Sterling on us last season.

Started in great form. What a prospect. Strong rumours Spurs were looking to pay 3 million for him.

All the doom and gloom brigade were convinced he'd be sold last season. Many said he's a possible future England international and we should start bidding at 5 million.

We show ambition and give him a lucrative new contract in big wages then.........he simply loses interest and never performed again.

For most of last season he looked really poor and wasn't a 1st team regular.

Although he had talent I'm not sorry to see him go. He'll be trying to establish his reputation at Birmingham but no doubt hell lose interest again.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Adams did a Raheem Sterling on us last season.

Started in great form. What a prospect. Strong rumours Spurs were looking to pay 3 million for him.

All the doom and gloom brigade were convinced he'd be sold last season. Many said he's a possible future England international and we should start bidding at 5 million.

We show ambition and give him a lucrative new contract in big wages then.........he simply loses interest and never performed again.

For most of last season he looked really poor and wasn't a 1st team regular.

Although he had talent I'm not sorry to see him go. He'll be trying to establish his reputation at Birmingham but no doubt hell lose interest again.

Are you talking about ChEdson Arantes Di Nascimento?

 

[Revolution]

Adams did a Raheem Sterling on us last season.

Started in great form. What a prospect. Strong rumours Spurs were looking to pay 3 million for him.

All the doom and gloom brigade were convinced he'd be sold last season. Many said he's a possible future England international and we should start bidding at 5 million.

We show ambition and give him a lucrative new contract in big wages then.........he simply loses interest and never performed again.

For most of last season he looked really poor and wasn't a 1st team regular.

Although he had talent I'm not sorry to see him go. He'll be trying to establish his reputation at Birmingham but no doubt hell lose interest again.

I keep reading that Adams wasn't a first team regular last season.

I checked this. He started 29 league games, and came on as sub 7 times. That's 36 out of 46 league games. He was also second top scorer with 11 goals.

These are the players who played the same number, or more league games, than Adams last season:

Basham 43+1 sub
Sharp 42 + 2 sub
Edgar 35+ 1 sub
McEverley 33 + 3 sub

plus Dean Hammond started 30 games but didn't come on as a sub at all.

Che started 63% of our games and featured in 78% of them. Only 2 players played in more games, and only 5 started more.

If Adams was not a first ream regular, neither were Hammond, McEverley or Edgar.

This idea that Adams wasn't a regular is a myth invented by people who must defend this deal at all costs, for some reason. Fine, defend away, but stop making things up. He was a first team player, and a good first team player if goals count for anything. And now he's starting for Birmingham. Yeah, he's really poor.

And I know Adams didn't start against Bolton. Of course not. We were going to sell him. He only came on because we were desperate.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If he has suddenly become such a great player in such a short period of time, maybe his attitude with us was all wrong and his performances suffered as a result.

It might also reflect the fact he's simply still developing as a player and starting to realise that potential. He might have done that with us this season – we will never know.

 

[Bladesway]

I'm afraid your cards marked already as a troublemaker!

Don't worry he won't be asked to go for a shower. The council will be merciful. He hasn't posted a steaming pile of shit for a start

 

[Bladesway]

I keep reading that Adams wasn't a first team regular last season.

I checked this. He started 29 league games, and came on as sub 7 times. That's 36 out of 46 league games. He was also second top scorer with 11 goals.

These are the players who played the same number, or more league games, than Adams last season:

Basham 43+1 sub
Sharp 42 + 2 sub
Edgar 35+ 1 sub
McEverley 33 + 3 sub

plus Dean Hammond started 30 games but didn't come on as a sub at all.

Che started 63% of our games and featured in 78% of them. Only 2 players played in more games, and only 5 started more.

If Adams was not a first ream regular, neither were Hammond, McEverley or Edgar.

This idea that Adams wasn't a regular is a myth invented by people who must defend this deal at all costs, for some reason. Fine, defend away, but stop making things up. He was a first team player, and a good first team player if goals count for anything. And now he's starting for Birmingham. Yeah, he's really poor.

And I know Adams didn't start against Bolton. Of course not. We were going to sell him. He only came on because we were desperate.

I'm afraid most people have assumed that he was either Pele or the worst player with the worst attitude. As with most things the truth lies somewhere in between. Fact is he has gone and while some would rather no one ever questioned the club on its transfer policy I for one am pleased we do. What irks me is we have yet again gone into a season saying we were going to believe in youth, then gone and sold our young, talented players.

Why say you are going to invest in youth, then sell it? Why say you don't like long term loans then take 2 on? It only adds to my personal belief that there is no solid strategy to take us forward. We believe in something until someone gives us a bid to test our resolve then we crumble.

I just don't know what (if anything) the club is doing to take itself forwards. We lurch from crisis to crisis, change managers and slide backwards. You can argue all you want that this isn't true but the league table doesn't lie, ever.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Bet he's pissed off DCL got a premiership club though

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I keep reading that Adams wasn't a first team regular last season.

I checked this. He started 29 league games, and came on as sub 7 times. That's 36 out of 46 league games. He was also second top scorer with 11 goals.

These are the players who played the same number, or more league games, than Adams last season:

Basham 43+1 sub
Sharp 42 + 2 sub
Edgar 35+ 1 sub
McEverley 33 + 3 sub

plus Dean Hammond started 30 games but didn't come on as a sub at all.

Che started 63% of our games and featured in 78% of them. Only 2 players played in more games, and only 5 started more.

If Adams was not a first ream regular, neither were Hammond, McEverley or Edgar.

This idea that Adams wasn't a regular is a myth invented by people who must defend this deal at all costs, for some reason. Fine, defend away, but stop making things up. He was a first team player, and a good first team player if goals count for anything. And now he's starting for Birmingham. Yeah, he's really poor.

And I know Adams didn't start against Bolton. Of course not. We were going to sell him. He only came on because we were desperate.

Yes but 73.48%of those games, he didn't play very well

 

[Bladesway]

Yes but 73.48%of those games, he didn't play very well

I guess his goals were shit as well?

 

[Revolution]

Yes but 73.48%of those games, he didn't play very well

Who was better? Sharp? Who else?

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I guess his goals were shit as well?

No but 11 goals in the third division doesn't make a 3 Million pound player

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Who was better? Sharp? Who else?

Probably no one, doesn't make him any better tho

 

[COME BACK CHED]

No they weren't. As well as Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep they did Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and Sacramento.

`` What about Soley Soley , you part time pop picker , or are you just a Budding young Cheggers .

 

[grafikhaus]

Bet he's pissed off DCL got a premiership club though

At the very best, DCL will get splinters in his arse sitting on Everton's bench. Far more realistically, he'll be farmed out to a lower-division team, never to be seen within a million miles of Everton's - or any other PL team's - starting lineup.

I think we've done remarkably well out of Che & DCL's transfers. It's a sign of the utter financial madness that has gripped the game that we've got around £3m for a couple of players who weren't guaranteed a place in a Third Division team.

 

[Bladesway]

No but 11 goals in the third division doesn't make a 3 Million pound player

Yet something like 11 games in the Championship made Kyle Walker worth a lot more in real terms. Forget what he is worth and focus on what the market will pay. The fact he is young and English means he is worth more, has represented his country. All adds up.

Then take into account the gap he leaves. Finally and most importantly have we reolaced him with someone better?

 

[David Lee's first touch]

Nice to hear my 5mil price tag quoted what a shocking piece of business compounded by the complete lack of strengthening to vital areas of the squad. Che will be some player just hope we have a good sell on fee so we can pay the wages for a season or 2.

 

[Bladesway]

I think we've done remarkably well out of Che & DCL's transfers. It's a sign of the utter financial madness that has gripped the game that we've got around £3m for a couple of players who weren't guaranteed a place in a Third Division team.

We will only have done well if we end up with a better team because of it. I know the forum bean counters get excited by spreadsheets but as a fan of the club I use the league table as my excitement barometer. Right now theres a deep depression and no amount of tapping the dial changes that until results improve.

 

[Bladesway]

Nice to hear my 5mil price tag quoted what a shocking piece of business compounded by the complete lack of strengthening to vital areas of the squad. Che will be some player just hope we have a good sell on fee so we can pay the wages for a season or 2.

2 cups and a piece of string do you as a sell on?

There were many, myself included who said quote £5m and settle around £3m. Think some posters on here are just happy to sell players no matter what the cost to the club.

 

[David Lee's first touch]

2 cups and a piece of string do you as a sell on?

Depends how long the string is mate. We could put a cup on each end of the string and use it like a phone (the fax machine is getting old) during transfer windows maybe it would have landed us a proper CM and a leader at CB before close of play.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We will only have done well if we end up with a better team because of it. I know the forum bean counters get excited by spreadsheets but as a fan of the club I use the league table as my excitement barometer. Right now theres a deep depression and no amount of tapping the dial changes that until results improve.

Bigger blade alert

 

[Sean Thornton]

2 cups and a piece of string do you as a sell on?

There were many, myself included who said quote £5m and settle around £3m. Think some posters on here are just happy to sell players no matter what the cost to the club.

Nobody wanted to pay £3m. That seems to be something you can't understand.

 

[Bladesway]

Nobody wanted to pay £3m. That seems to be something you can't understand.

You can't help yourself at the moment can you? What you dont understand apparently is I dont think we should have sold him for less than £3m.

There was the option of keeping him and playing him.

 

[Bladesway]

Bigger blade alert

Go on?

 

[Revolution]

At the very best, DCL will get splinters in his arse sitting on Everton's bench. Far more realistically, he'll be farmed out to a lower-division team, never to be seen within a million miles of Everton's - or any other PL team's - starting lineup.

I think we've done remarkably well out of Che & DCL's transfers. It's a sign of the utter financial madness that has gripped the game that we've got around £3m for a couple of players who weren't guaranteed a place in a Third Division team.

I was quite relaxed about DCL leaving. I felt the Adams transfer was unnecessary and a mistake. DCL was an unknown quantity to a certain extent. Adams was not. He is useful to us now.

If I were Wilder I would have left the forwards as they were, and focussed on midfield and defence. DCL could be sacrificed for funds. I think we'd arguably be better off if we'd kept Adams and McNulty and not signed Clark and Lavery. It would have been cost neutral at worst as far as wages were concerned, that's for sure.

Anyway, we shall see.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You can't help yourself at the moment can you? What you dont understand apparently is I dont think we should have sold him for less than £3m.

There was the option of keeping him and playing him.

I understand you wanted to keep a player the manager wasn't playing because you think he's worth three million although no one in the game does.


It's funny how you like to try to denigrate others but don't like it back, like some petulant eight year old.

 

[Bladesince59]

Good luck to CA and DCL, no brainer for them to move on, more money, playing alongside technically better players and coaches who can probably move them to the next level, or stay with a football club that is stagnating what a choice.

Spot on. Most players who move on then improve. Wonder why?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Go on?

"But as a fan of the club"

Well I'm a fan of the club bean counter or not and I certainly don't think I know more about player valuations than Wildef or all the other managers who took a pass on Adams, if they even bothered to take a look his way.

 

[Bladesince59]

I was quite relaxed about DCL leaving. I felt the Adams transfer was unnecessary and a mistake. DCL was an unknown quantity to a certain extent. Adams was not. He is useful to us now.

If I were Wilder I would have left the forwards as they were, and focussed on midfield and defence. DCL could be sacrificed for funds. I think we'd arguably be better off if we'd kept Adams and McNulty and not signed Clark and Lavery. It would have been cost neutral at worst as far as wages were concerned, that's for sure.

Anyway, we shall see.

I reckon Lavery is a decent bet. Not sure about 30 odd year olds FULL STOP

 

[Revolution]

I understand you wanted to keep a player the manager wasn't playing because you think he's worth three million although no one in the game does.


It's funny how you like to try to denigrate others but don't like it back, like some petulant eight year old.

The manager wasn't playing him?

I've dealt with this upthread. Wilder managed Adams for the grand total of one league game. He did not start that game - which I am sure was on the instructions of those negotiating his sale, or even at Birmingham's request - and he came on anyway. He did play him.

I think that it is a certainty that after our start to the season Adams would not be in the first XI now.

Wilder didn't start him because he knew he was leaving. It's obvious.