Che Adams :- submarine

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Shame he went as I believe he would have matured here and be the long term solution up front.

Can’t blame wilder for getting rid though - he didn’t seem to fancy him and at that stage had to ask himself wether our options were better with :

A) an unhappy Adams
B) Moore and JoC

Its a shame we didn’t keep him. But I would argue jack is worth at least as much as amdas at this point and more to the side.
 
He'd get a regular game for them already, would be a good move for him.
 
Always liked him, he had the pace ability and strength to make it but it seemed like his attitude was lacking Now he's apparently sorted that out he could go a long way
 
As for our chunk- lets go low and say we have a 10% clause. Hopefully, if there are plenty interested, there might be a bidding war. But even if he goes for just the £8m quoted- thats £8m, minus the £2m they paid originally, so in theory, thats £600k for us. (I’m sure theyll be fees, taxes etc, but I’m just trying to keep it simple).

Between now and the first of June, there are 19 weeks. So even if CW gets just half of it, thats an extra 15k a week we could potentially have to use on wages, assuming we pay loanees up until the end of May, covering potential play off games.

But what if its more positive? So if a few teams start bidding and he went for a bit more- say £12m (we all know fees get inflated in Jan- ask Madine). And lets say we actually have 15% sell on. If CW again gets just half, then using the same sums as above, that would equate to a potential extra £47k a week until June.

Of course its more complicated than that- but even if its ball park, if somebody would buy him in the next 24/48 hours, it could be pretty significant to us landing a quality loan or two for the rest of the season.

Either that or they sell him at 10:59pm on Thursday and Wilder never sees a penny.
 
KoppedOff said:
As for our chunk- lets go low and say we have a 10% clause. Hopefully, if there are plenty interested, there might be a bidding war. But even if he goes for just the £8m quoted- thats £8m, minus the £2m they paid originally, so in theory, thats £600k for us. (I’m sure theyll be fees, taxes etc, but I’m just trying to keep it simple).

Between now and the first of June, there are 19 weeks. So even if CW gets just half of it, thats an extra 15k a week we could potentially have to use on wages, assuming we pay loanees up until the end of May, covering potential play off games.

But what if its more positive? So if a few teams start bidding and he went for a bit more- say £12m (we all know fees get inflated in Jan- ask Madine). And lets say we actually have 15% sell on. If CW again gets just half, then using the same sums as above, that would equate to a potential extra £47k a week until June.

Of course its more complicated than that- but even if its ball park, if somebody would buy him in the next 24/48 hours, it could be pretty significant to us landing a quality loan or two for the rest of the season.

Either that or they sell him at 10:59pm on Thursday and Wilder never sees a penny.
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Final paragraph imo.
 
SwissBlade said:
If they're selling him to avoid FFP sanctions then i guess they wouldn't need to draw attention to it.

If Jordan Rhodes and Waghorn were worth 10 and 8 million respectively, then Che Adams is surely worth £15m
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In January you can add another million or two onto the price, especially if it's a PL club. (I was surprised about the reported £8m figure - he's probabaly worth double, as you point out.)
 

Looks like Brum are hoping to drive up the price., which is good for us.

Just now on Talksport the midlands correspondent confirmed that a few clubs are interested in Adams (Burnley and Southampton)
But the powers at Birmingham City have again made it clear Adams is NOT for sale.

Talksport joked that if a PL club made a really big offer then all of a sudden he becomes available for sale.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Looks like Brum are hoping to drive up the price., which is good for us.

Just now on Talksport the midlands correspondent confirmed that a few clubs are interested in Adams (Burnley and Southampton)
But the powers at Birmingham City have again made it clear Adams is NOT for sale.

Talksport joked that if a PL club made a really big offer then all of a sudden he becomes available for sale.
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Surely if they’re in breach of FFP and refuse to sell him and reduce their losses, the EFL will punish them more heavily? Isn’t that why the hearing is in February, to give them the chance to put their house in order?
 
BushBlade said:
Surely if they’re in breach of FFP and refuse to sell him and reduce their losses, the EFL will punish them more heavily? Isn’t that why the hearing is in February, to give them the chance to put their house in order?
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Totally agree. Assume it’s just posturing to drive up the price.
Surely Birmingham MUST sell otherwise they are laughing at the FFP rules and laughing at the rule makers at the EFL.
 
BushBlade said:
Surely if they’re in breach of FFP and refuse to sell him and reduce their losses, the EFL will punish them more heavily? Isn’t that why the hearing is in February, to give them the chance to put their house in order?
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Brum are in a bit of a quandary because the authorities wont let them sell Adams and bring a replacement in (even a loanee).So they are refusing to sell players.Will their bottle go though, as this is likely to increase the chances of a points deduction? Southampton are trying to sell Austin and Burnley have sold Vokes, so my best guess is that Adams is leaving.
 
Ricky said:
Imagine us being in trouble with FFP and rejecting any substantial offers for our players...

What a hilarious thought.
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Funny that, Wednesday are trying to get daft prices for their players too.

And they're in trouble with FFP too.

Sounds like a sound business model...

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BREAKING NEWS

Sky Sources: Burnley have had a second bid turned down by Birmingham City for striker Che Adams.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Totally agree. Assume it’s just posturing to drive up the price.
Surely Birmingham MUST sell otherwise they are laughing at the FFP rules and laughing at the rule makers at the EFL.
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Puts them in good company then, for all the talk from the FA nobody’s shitting themselves are they?

Has anybody ever been punished (QPR?) because I haven’t seen any club get points deducted and somebody should have by now.. the potential fines don’t seem to worry them..
 
Sheffsteel said:
Totally agree. Assume it’s just posturing to drive up the price.
Surely Birmingham MUST sell otherwise they are laughing at the FFP rules and laughing at the rule makers at the EFL.
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nopigfansintown said:
Brum are in a bit of a quandary because the authorities wont let them sell Adams and bring a replacement in (even a loanee).So they are refusing to sell players.Will their bottle go though, as this is likely to increase the chances of a points deduction? Southampton are trying to sell Austin and Burnley have sold Vokes, so my best guess is that Adams is leaving.
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There is a breed of rich owners who simply don't like to be told what to do. They have the money, are used to doing whatever they want, and they do not see why they should be constrained from pursuing their objectives by some rules put in place by the EFL.

The indications are that Brum may have one such owner and it may be a similar situation at S6 given that they have plainly thumbed their noses at the 'requirement' to raise an 8-figure sum in this window, by releasing absolutely nobody from a bloated squad and even publically putting a farcical price tag on a temperamental, injury-prone player who has barely featured for 18 months, thereby guaranteeing that there wouldn't be even the slightest interest in him.

As 'nopigfans' says, Brum wouldn't be allowed to replace Adams if they sold him. In those circumstances, why wouldn't a headstrong owner who is unhappy with the strictures of the P&S rules, take the view that if he is embargoed from buying, then he certainly isn't going to sell his better players?

The EFL might well want clubs like Brum and the Pigs to get their books in order, but really what will they do about it when push comes to shove? Probably very little because ultimately we all know that the football authorities are pathetically weak when it comes to clubs cheating the rules. These clubs know that and their owners seem to be facing the EFL down.
 
It does show how farcical the rules are. From sublime to ridiculous.

A team who reported losses of 37.5m feel obliged to turn down bids in excess of 10m because the FL cannot allow them to get in a replacement at a fraction of the cost.

In the meantime, someone who could go there on loan and do a job for them, Conor Washington, our now 5th choice striker, isn't allowed to make such a move because he'd have played for three teams. He'll end up with less than 20 appearances overall in the season.
 

Champagneblade said:
It does show how farcical the rules are. From sublime to ridiculous.

A team who reported losses of 37.5m feel obliged to turn down bids in excess of 10m because the FL cannot allow them to get in a replacement at a fraction of the cost.

In the meantime, someone who could go there on loan and do a job for them, Conor Washington, our now 5th choice striker, isn't allowed to make such a move because he'd have played for three teams. He'll end up with less than 20 appearances overall in the season.
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Under most embargoes the EFL allows clubs to sign players under certain conditions. I remember this from when a club under an embargo was allowed to sign a couple of loans. It may have been Birmingham.
 
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