Championship Revenues

[Paulus]

We'll get more TV money next season as a result of the promotion and we'll end up with more gate money from both increased home and away fan numbers but we also need to capitalise on increasing our commercial and sponsorship income. Instead of some of the tinpot deals we've been bending over backwards for in League 1 we should start to come under the consideration of bigger players not global players I grant you but certainly major regional and some national brands.

It's very competitive and difficult persuading businesses to back you - they will analyse everything to do with the image of the club and the fit between the values of the club and the sponsor. Doubtless the board know this - strange then that they are prepared to take on the Ched baggage (if indeed they are), it will hit them in their pockets. Our juvenile fire raisers will also start costing the club this income as well if there activities become associated with the club and particularly when someone gets seriously injured or worse as a result of their little bits of harmless fun.

 

[Revolution]

Our juvenile fire raisers will also start costing the club this income as well if there activities become associated with the club and particularly when someone gets seriously injured or worse as a result of their little bits of harmless fun.

Happily, nobody at a higher level is going to put up with these children. If they pull these stunts at the vast majority of Championship grounds they will get arrested.

 

[Enigmatic]

As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Of course, there might be some companies that will refuse to sponsor us if Ched signs. However, just look at the amount of attention we've had for it, far more than when we won the league. Everyone and their dog is talking about Sheffield United in one way or another, and there will be companies prepared to associate themselves with us in order to benefit from the higher profile that comes with it.

That said, I don't think it will make much of a difference if I'm honest. Our sponsorship revenues will reflect that of a top half Championship team within 2 years of us being there.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Salim baki (?) said when the Prince came on board that as soon as we go up large corporate sponsors were lined up ( Turkish airlines)? But only when we go up, that of course was what 3/4 years ago? That was stated at the time, are these deals still in place, who knows but you can bet they will have been on the case for some months with the team heading for promotion, wasn't it part of the " game changing" future? Looking forward to seeing what happens this summer, hopefully an exciting one.

 

[snootyfenooty]

We'll get more TV money next season as a result of the promotion and we'll end up with more gate money from both increased home and away fan numbers but we also need to capitalise on increasing our commercial and sponsorship income.

Oh dear, where have you been. It's all about ticket prices now in La Liga didn't you know!

 

[Blade58]

Perhaps Huadong Construction will step up their sponsorship?

Need big Kev to take the top guys to the best Chinese restaurant in town, get them pissed and then make them sign on the bottom line before he lets them go home

 

[GaryHamsonsLeftBootLace]

The wage bill of nearly all of the current crop of Championship clubs is 100% of revenue... We're definitely going to need some astute spending by CW and accounting by the McCabes et al.

Here are the wage bills for 2016.

 

[GaryHamsonsLeftBootLace]

And the profit / loss of each Championship club in 2016.

Assuming Blackburn's position didn't improve much in 16/17, imagine what trouble they're going to be in if they go down!

 

[GaryHamsonsLeftBootLace]

Club by club breakdown:
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/146216-championship-club-club

 

[Houston_Blade]

Take this information with a pinch of salt, The grunters wage bill is based on previous years accounts, currently if you consider they have Rhodes, Fletcher, Forestieri and Hooper who must be on at least £100k per week (£5.2m per year) between them so that leaves £6m ish between the rest of the squad, not likely. I'd estimate their wage bill is now somewhere between £17m and £20m.

What it does show though is that even if we grow revenue we will still be reliant on cash injections from Princey and McCabe to sustain even a modest wage bill in the Championship, we can't realistically grow revenue organically by enough to ever make any profit. So before everyone starts asking for "investment" it will be there just to allow us to stand still.

 

[blade too long]

chicken and egg

investment grows as income grows and our stock rises

we are suddenly on the strap line on all results programmes next season , whereas league one wasnt
so our image rights increase
awareness of the blades increases drawing more sponsorship
more tv coverage again attracts more sponsors

 

[BushBlade]

Take this information with a pinch of salt, The grunters wage bill is based on previous years accounts, currently if you consider they have Rhodes, Fletcher, Forestieri and Hooper who must be on at least £100k per week (£5.2m per year) between them so that leaves £6m ish between the rest of the squad, not likely. I'd estimate their wage bill is now somewhere between £17m and £20m.

What it does show though is that even if we grow revenue we will still be reliant on cash injections from Princey and McCabe to sustain even a modest wage bill in the Championship, we can't realistically grow revenue organically by enough to ever make any profit. So before everyone starts asking for "investment" it will be there just to allow us to stand still.

That's what the academy is for. Kids that do well in the championship attract big money these days and I think our long term strategy will be to develop academy players and young players we pick up from the lower leagues and sell them on, in the hope that at some point we'll have five or six come through at roughly the same time and we can keep them together long enough to take us up.

 

[sheffielder]

Take this information with a pinch of salt, The grunters wage bill is based on previous years accounts, currently if you consider they have Rhodes, Fletcher, Forestieri and Hooper who must be on at least £100k per week (£5.2m per year) between them so that leaves £6m ish between the rest of the squad, not likely. I'd estimate their wage bill is now somewhere between £17m and £20m.

What it does show though is that even if we grow revenue we will still be reliant on cash injections from Princey and McCabe to sustain even a modest wage bill in the Championship, we can't realistically grow revenue organically by enough to ever make any profit. So before everyone starts asking for "investment" it will be there just to allow us to stand still.

Including wages and signing fees fletcher, hooper Rhodes and fernando are on just north of 50k each with wjnnall on 20k inc signing fee. If they don't get promoted their ground name will change and you will see a few strange sponsorships. You may even see them offer another 3 year deal to fans for debenchers if not longer

 

[Blade56]

Just hope we drop the annoying, ney embarrassing substitute sponsors, added time sponsors, guy in row BB seat 206 has just gone for a shit sponsors.

 

[Harry's Game]

I wouldn't rely long term on any Turkish sponsorship. Turkey has taken the first steps on the road to being to the next Iran.

 

[Esablade]

The wage bill of nearly all of the current crop of Championship clubs is 100% of revenue... We're definitely going to need some astute spending by CW and accounting by the McCabes et al.

Here are the wage bills for 2016.

Not sure about the those figures for the 2015-16 season, the article was published in August 2015...wth Y/E 31st May/June, 2014

I know t'pigs were around £11 million in their first season up , then up to £19 or so 2015/16...believe it's ballooned this year...here's 2015-16 from Swiss Ramble. (Bolton hadn't published their accounts at the time)

 

[snootyfenooty]

What it does show though is that even if we grow revenue we will still be reliant on cash injections from Princey and McCabe to sustain even a modest wage bill in the Championship, we can't realistically grow revenue organically by enough to ever make any profit. So before everyone starts asking for "investment" it will be there just to allow us to stand still.

Exactly this. Most of the Championship clubs have yet to learn their lesson regarding finances. Pigs, Leeds & Forest have been there but then these idiots will never learn as delusions of grandeur overrule basic financial discipline. United will not start chucking silly money at players & contracts over and above the amount the Prince and McCabe are willing to subsidise. Also, as BushBlade alluded to above, we have the added advantage of our academy for long term stability.

United are moving towards increasing their budget whilst the others will be cutting back. We have nothing to worry about on this score.

 

[metalblade]

We'll get more TV money next season as a result of the promotion and we'll end up with more gate money from both increased home and away fan numbers but we also need to capitalise on increasing our commercial and sponsorship income. Instead of some of the tinpot deals we've been bending over backwards for in League 1 we should start to come under the consideration of bigger players not global players I grant you but certainly major regional and some national brands.

It's very competitive and difficult persuading businesses to back you - they will analyse everything to do with the image of the club and the fit between the values of the club and the sponsor. Doubtless the board know this - strange then that they are prepared to take on the Ched baggage (if indeed they are), it will hit them in their pockets. Our juvenile fire raisers will also start costing the club this income as well if there activities become associated with the club and particularly when someone gets seriously injured or worse as a result of their little bits of harmless fun.

Maybe we could get Durex as our main sponsor and Chubb Fire on the back of our shirts

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Well we've already spent 500k.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Take this information with a pinch of salt, The grunters wage bill is based on previous years accounts, currently if you consider they have Rhodes, Fletcher, Forestieri and Hooper who must be on at least £100k per week (£5.2m per year) between them so that leaves £6m ish between the rest of the squad, not likely. I'd estimate their wage bill is now somewhere between £17m and £20m.

What it does show though is that even if we grow revenue we will still be reliant on cash injections from Princey and McCabe to sustain even a modest wage bill in the Championship, we can't realistically grow revenue organically by enough to ever make any profit. So before everyone starts asking for "investment" it will be there just to allow us to stand still.

Best get ready Derek. Nobody's gonna buy that.

 

[PittsburghBlade]

It's very competitive and difficult persuading businesses to back you - they will analyse everything to do with the image of the club and the fit between the values of the club and the sponsor. Doubtless the board know this - strange then that they are prepared to take on the Ched baggage (if indeed they are), it will hit them in their pockets. Our juvenile fire raisers will also start costing the club this income as well if there activities become associated with the club and particularly when someone gets seriously injured or worse as a result of their little bits of harmless fun.

Really a funny last paragraph. I bet some of you are hoping we get fined or some other punishment for our fans being passionate and intimidating for other clubs.

 

[JOEYDEE]

Our attendances have been that good this season that we won't increase our take by more than say £4m ..with freezing prices etc
Are we going to get the extra investment we need from external sources (the prince etc) if not,where?

 

[Houston_Blade]

chicken and egg

investment grows as income grows and our stock rises

we are suddenly on the strap line on all results programmes next season , whereas league one wasnt
so our image rights increase
awareness of the blades increases drawing more sponsorship
more tv coverage again attracts more sponsors

Until we get in the Premier League though our revenue from operations will never be enough, I'd be quite happy with a few years consolidation and a sensible wage bill rather than going hell for leather towards an unsustainable wage bill like most of the promotion contenders will have to do.

 

[Houston_Blade]

That's what the academy is for. Kids that do well in the championship attract big money these days and I think our long term strategy will be to develop academy players and young players we pick up from the lower leagues and sell them on, in the hope that at some point we'll have five or six come through at roughly the same time and we can keep them together long enough to take us up.

I partly agree but relying on an academy graduate sale every year or 2 to prop up income is a risk.

 

[S64 Blade]

We may be getting some nice cash injections, should Walker and Maguire move on in the summer.

 

[Lmaobob]

Salim baki (?) said when the Prince came on board that as soon as we go up large corporate sponsors were lined up ( Turkish airlines)? But only when we go up, that of course was what 3/4 years ago? That was stated at the time, are these deals still in place, who knows but you can bet they will have been on the case for some months with the team heading for promotion, wasn't it part of the " game changing" future? Looking forward to seeing what happens this summer, hopefully an exciting one.

Not sure if anyone has replied to you (not read the thread yet) it's Selahattin Baki

 

[blade too long]

Until we get in the Premier League though our revenue from operations will never be enough, I'd be quite happy with a few years consolidation and a sensible wage bill rather than going hell for leather towards an unsustainable wage bill like most of the promotion contenders will have to do.

thing is if we get in the prem cw will not try and defend like nw did, or waste money on shit january buys

you have to have a go ,to stay up not go to places like villa and try and hold on

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The wage bill of nearly all of the current crop of Championship clubs is 100% of revenue... We're definitely going to need some astute spending by CW and accounting by the McCabes et al.

Here are the wage bills for 2016.

Interesting when you think that we were one of the highest during the Robson/Blackwell debacle and we I thought we were at around £16 million.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Salim baki (?) said when the Prince came on board that as soon as we go up large corporate sponsors were lined up ( Turkish airlines)? But only when we go up, that of course was what 3/4 years ago? That was stated at the time, are these deals still in place, who knows but you can bet they will have been on the case for some months with the team heading for promotion, wasn't it part of the " game changing" future? Looking forward to seeing what happens this summer, hopefully an exciting one.

www.visitmaltaandturkeywhilstyou'reatit.com

 

[Cerberus Blade]

We'll get more TV money next season as a result of the promotion and we'll end up with more gate money from both increased home and away fan numbers but we also need to capitalise on increasing our commercial and sponsorship income. Instead of some of the tinpot deals we've been bending over backwards for in League 1 we should start to come under the consideration of bigger players not global players I grant you but certainly major regional and some national brands.

It's very competitive and difficult persuading businesses to back you - they will analyse everything to do with the image of the club and the fit between the values of the club and the sponsor. Doubtless the board know this - strange then that they are prepared to take on the Ched baggage (if indeed they are), it will hit them in their pockets. Our juvenile fire raisers will also start costing the club this income as well if there activities become associated with the club and particularly when someone gets seriously injured or worse as a result of their little bits of harmless fun.

This is a good post Paulus and I agree with most of what you have wrote - but not the bit about Evans having a detrimental effect on the club's image or sponsorship deals. Rather, it has the potential to do the opposite. Evans has every right to have his career back and we are giving him a chance even though he hasn't really fully got back into the groove in his first season back at Chesterfield. It shows loyalty and support to Evans from a club that he badly let down due to his behaviour. In that sense it puts the club on a higher moral ground and challenges Evans to step up and see to that unfinished business from a few years ago. It could have all the makings of story that ended happy ever after.

However, for some people, Evans will always be in the dock. That's just the way some people are unfortunately. Should our club avoid him for fear of being tainted with the views of such people, or should we do the right moral thing and give the man a basic human right to work again for us? I am so glad we are brave enough to do the latter.

I think the point about controlling the morons inside the ground with their fireworks and high beam antics is very pertinent though. It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured and then the club will find itself in deep water for not acting decisively earlier.

They've made their position clear on this - yet it's still going on and we see no action being taken. So it's only going to get worse.