Champions league.

[HarryHaslam]

if Celtic and Rangers are as big as people keep telling us, why isn't this reflected in one of the few metrics we can actually quantity; social media followers?

This one is really simple for me, all Celtic and Rangers social media followings are genuine fans of the clubs from all around the world. Reason being it is a shit league, the league doesn’t have a worldwide profile and in turn doesn’t attract the millions of social media fans from China, Indonesia, India etc etc.. kids in these country’s have probably not even heard of the clubs.

Now put them both into the EPL and watch their social media followings sky rocket.

For example, little Bournemouth.. if you watch YouTube a lot of football highlights and sky sports highlights you get recommended videos to watch, Bournemouths official channel popped up the other day with a couple of minutes highlights against Forest, I noticed it had 500k views in 24 hours and I was shocked when I saw that, just checked now and it’s now over 650k in a few days.

In this same period of time Uniteds channels highlights against Hull has 26k views. 650k v 26k, anyone would think that one club is over 20x bigger than the other club going on YouTube views, are Bournemouth 20x bigger than United? Of course not, the views are not for Bournemouth but for the EPL, mainly from Asia who are EPL crazy.

So my point is, if you had genuine fans of club following them on social media only, and not fans of the league they play in then Celtic and Rangers would be up there. Now because of the league they are in there is no interest in them apart from genuine fans, stick them in the EPL and the millions and millions watching them around the world and watch the social media followers and views go through the roof.

 

[JJBlade]

The fact that the SPL has so little commercial interest sort of demonstrates my point; nobody really cares about the old firm outside of Britain, which is reflected in their TV deal.

You're absolutely right that they would be able to attract better sponsors if they were in the premier League, but that has nothing to do with them; that applies to any club in the division.

Their £60m turnover is comparable to that of Leeds or Villa last time each club was in the championship. Both Leeds and Villa are well supported, reasonably large clubs, just like Celtic. This gives them a small advantage over teams like Bournemouth, but both they remain truly lightyears away from the league's top 6 both on and off the pitch.

And you still didn't really answer my question; if Celtic and Rangers are as big as people keep telling us, why isn't this reflected in one of the few metrics we can actually quantity; social media followers?

Aston Villa never lost parachute payments

And Leeds turnover last time they were a Championship club was about half of Celtics

 

[CarlMcBlade]

They were founded as a club by Irish immigrants, for the poor and deprived immigrants of Scotland, to help give them an identity.

The traditions and heritage of a football club will never change, and why should they ? just because one bunch of morons object to their Irish heritage.

The funniest thing is, if the people of Scotland had not victimised and isolated the Irish immigrants Celtic would never have existed

There's plenty of Irish lived in England for centuries, but there's no Liverpool or Manchester Celtic.

The west of Scotland is much the same as the north of Ireland for obvious reasons. Most of the Protestant settlers in Ulster came from Scottish Presbyterian stock.

 

[bongleblade]

This one is really simple for me, all Celtic and Rangers social media followings are genuine fans of the clubs from all around the world. Reason being it is a shit league, the league doesn’t have a worldwide profile and in turn doesn’t attract the millions of social media fans from China, Indonesia, India etc etc.. kids in these country’s have probably not even heard of the clubs.

Now put them both into the EPL and watch their social media followings sky rocket.

For example, little Bournemouth.. if you watch YouTube a lot of football highlights and sky sports highlights you get recommended videos to watch, Bournemouths official channel popped up the other day with a couple of minutes highlights against Forest, I noticed it had 500k views in 24 hours and I was shocked when I saw that, just checked now and it’s now over 650k in a few days.

In this same period of time Uniteds channels highlights against Hull has 26k views. 650k v 26k, anyone would think that one club is over 20x bigger than the other club going on YouTube views, are Bournemouth 20x bigger than United? Of course not, the views are not for Bournemouth but for the EPL, mainly from Asia who are EPL crazy.

So my point is, if you had genuine fans of club following them on social media only, and not fans of the league they play in then Celtic and Rangers would be up there. Now because of the league they are in there is no interest in them apart from genuine fans, stick them in the EPL and the millions and millions watching them around the world and watch the social media followers and views go through the roof.

Completely agree with everything you say here. However some posters have alluded to them being top 6 clubs, i really doubt that as they aren't London (let's face it they get a leg up just from that association), i think they'd be more comparable to Newcastle, huge northern clubs with loyal followings and big stadiums, who after time and investment may become elite clubs in future

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Give them PL income. See what happens then.

They become another Villa, Everton, Brighton, Newcastle (pre-Saud), Palace, West Ham etc. Mid-table fodder with the odd daliance for Euro places and relegation. They would not break into the big 6 (7 when Newcastle get organised).

 

[broomhillblade]

Watching Ranger's getting ripped to pieces by Ajax. ...

Ranger's?
The dreaded apostrophe strikes again.
Where next? Balckburn Rover's?

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Watching the Liverpool highlights Gomez and Milner play every game, what do they expect? Top teams add quality every summer.

 

[Kanye]

Aston Villa never lost parachute payments

And Leeds turnover last time they were a Championship club was about half of Celtics

Do you have the numbers? When I checked it was nowhere near half but I concede I may have been looking in the wrong place.

 

[Kanye]

This one is really simple for me, all Celtic and Rangers social media followings are genuine fans of the clubs from all around the world. Reason being it is a shit league, the league doesn’t have a worldwide profile and in turn doesn’t attract the millions of social media fans from China, Indonesia, India etc etc.. kids in these country’s have probably not even heard of the clubs.

Now put them both into the EPL and watch their social media followings sky rocket.

For example, little Bournemouth.. if you watch YouTube a lot of football highlights and sky sports highlights you get recommended videos to watch, Bournemouths official channel popped up the other day with a couple of minutes highlights against Forest, I noticed it had 500k views in 24 hours and I was shocked when I saw that, just checked now and it’s now over 650k in a few days.

In this same period of time Uniteds channels highlights against Hull has 26k views. 650k v 26k, anyone would think that one club is over 20x bigger than the other club going on YouTube views, are Bournemouth 20x bigger than United? Of course not, the views are not for Bournemouth but for the EPL, mainly from Asia who are EPL crazy.

So my point is, if you had genuine fans of club following them on social media only, and not fans of the league they play in then Celtic and Rangers would be up there. Now because of the league they are in there is no interest in them apart from genuine fans, stick them in the EPL and the millions and millions watching them around the world and watch the social media followers and views go through the roof.

I don't think they'd go through the roof, I think they'd increase at a similar speed to any other newly promoted club.
It may be boosted slightly by Celtic's appealing and unusual kit, or the atmosphere in the ground, but ultimately I'd assume that their appeal wouldn't be anywhere near as broad as that of the current top 6, as new fans will generally be attracted to what's happening on the pitch, an area that Celtic and Rangers wouldn't stand out.

All hypothetical of course, so I guess the argument is pretty pointless, though interesting none the less.

 

[Sheffsteel]

In this same period of time Uniteds channels highlights against Hull has 26k views. 650k v 26k, anyone would think that one club is over 20x bigger than the other club going on YouTube views, are Bournemouth 20x bigger than United? Of course not, the views are not for Bournemouth but for the EPL, mainly from Asia who are EPL crazy.

So my point is, if you had genuine fans of club following them on social media only, and not fans of the league they play in then Celtic and Rangers would be up there. Now because of the league they are in there is no interest in them apart from genuine fans, stick them in the EPL and the millions and millions watching them around the world and watch the social media followers and views go through the roof.

Changing the subject slightly,
South American football expert Tim Vickery often appears on TalkSport.
He's has a Brazilian wife and has lived in Brazil for quite a while now.

He often says that people in England won't realise just how big the PL is in Brazil.
He's says it's quite incredible and sadly for his adopted country the English Premier League is much more popular than Brazilian football.
He says, incredibly the city goes quiet when EPL matches are on because there are so many people inside watching the matches.
He also said that Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal shirts are really common on the Brazilian streets, more than Brazilian football shirts.

 

[Charlieblade]

Half of their fans wouldn't follow them if they had to deal with getting beat once every 2/3 games.

They're only huge because there's no other bugger to support in the Highland Farmers League and they win all the time.

Look at the chuff that both sets of Glasgow fans get on when they lose up there...

Imagine if they were getting beat by the likes of Blackburn and Boro on a regular basis...there'd be mayhem!

It’s not far off that with most European national leagues. A handful of clubs continually dominate league football every season. Even EPL doesn’t change much for the top six clubs.

 

[Steelcitysenior]

I presumed op was referring to the standard of football in Scotland when Lundstram walks into champ league football up there. How the thread snowballed into this I don't know

Thanks for that, that is exactly the point I was trying to make, nothing sectarian was implied.

 

[JJBlade]

Do you have the numbers? When I checked it was nowhere near half but I concede I may have been looking in the wrong place.

Not really mate
Just typed into Google Leeds United annual turnover 2019-20

 

[Steelcitysenior]

Ranger's?
The dreaded apostrophe strikes again.
Where next? Balckburn Rover's?

Sorry, I passed O level English literature, but failed English. A bit dyslexic, and have a problem with left and right. Wasn't very good trying to fly a plane

 

[Revolution]

It’s not far off that with most European national leagues. A handful of clubs continually dominate league football every season. Even EPL doesn’t change much for the top six clubs.

Since someone other than Rangers or Celtic won the Scottish league, nine different teams have won the English league.

 

[N20 Blade]

Couldn't give a flying fuck what Jug Eared Cunt Mk 2 is doing quite frankly. He'll be at St Mirren in 3 years time, supplementing his income by working for Deliveroo and giving out hand-jobs for tea money.

No he won't he's made a great career for himself and good luck to him. If he's sensible he can live on his Rangers' earnings for the rest of his life, no need to drop down in Scotland, he'll probably drop down to PL bench or Championship starter next. I blame Wilder for the fiasco post Berge, once he gave up, he should have been dropped immediately. From a league one journeyman at Oxford he's struck gold and is an example to all such players that if the cards fall right, there's opportunities out there.

 

[Katzenjammer]

No he won't he's made a great career for himself and good luck to him. If he's sensible he can live on his Rangers' earnings for the rest of his life, no need to drop down in Scotland, he'll probably drop down to PL bench or Championship starter next. I blame Wilder for the fiasco post Berge, once he gave up, he should have been dropped immediately. From a league one journeyman at Oxford he's struck gold and is an example to all such players that if the cards fall right, there's opportunities out there.

Nice tribute, but I'll save the fawning for players who actually made a worthy contribution to Sheffield United FC. He emphatically does not meet that criterion.

 

[Kanye]

Not really mate
Just typed into Google Leeds United annual turnover 2019-20

Ok, well I searched it and found this.
It says that Leeds Turnover was £54m during the 19-20 season, and that was obviously compromised by COVID too.
You said that Celtic's Turnover last season had been £61m, and £71m the year prior - meaning that Celtic's turnover is certainly not double that of Leeds.
The fact that I'm searching for various club's financial figures probably indicates I've gone too far down the rabbit hole, and that the conversation has probably run it's course.

I still maintain that Celtic and Rangers are relatively big clubs, but not when compared to real big clubs, like the Real, Barca, Man Utd, Liverpool, Juve, Bayern, etc.
I'm also pretty convinced that both clubs would struggle if they were part of the English pyramid. I imagine they'd both be able to establish themselves as PL clubs, but would never likely trouble the big 6 - would be quite a culture shock to two clubs who are used to cleaning up all the titles and silverware.

All subjective or hypothetical though, so who cares what we think, I guess.

 

[Charlieblade]

Since someone other than Rangers or Celtic won the Scottish league, nine different teams have won the English league.

I agree. The SPL is a cut above the rest. The remaining leagues in Europe still dominated by a clique of clubs that can be counted one hand, in the case of most leagues.

 

[Bladebri]

Another thread about John fuckin Lundstram !!

What's next? John Lundstram must be the luckiest fecker to own a Rolex? John Lundstram must be the luckiest fecker to own a luxury car? John Lundstram must be the luckiest fecker to own a huge house on the Wirral?

The possibilities are endless. He's no longer anything to do with Sheffield United so just let it go for fecks sake

John lundstram is a lucky fecker to get a thread

 

[Wapping Blade]

Tangentially, I know a number of Irish people from both sides of the border. Many of them like football, but I have never met one who supports, or has the slightest interest in, the local teams or leagues.

It’s Man U, Liverpool, the Gruesome twosome from Scotland, and other big clubs. I even know a guy from Belfast who’s a lifelong AC Milan supporter.

This may be based on small sample size, but I’ve always thought of Irish football fans as the biggest bunch of glory hunters going.

Man Yoo or Liverpool for all my wife’s 10 million Irish cousins.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

How comes celtic are favourites away at Shakhtar? Or is it at a neutral ground?

 

[biggiesablade]

How comes celtic are favourites away at Shakhtar? Or is it at a neutral ground?

Neutral stadium, Poland I think. Don't think they fancied playing in the Donbas

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Neutral stadium, Poland I think. Don't think they fancied playing in the Donbas

Weren't sure what crack were with Ukraine football. barely follow news and know its been back.

 

[Gin&Juice]

How comes celtic are favourites away at Shakhtar? Or is it at a neutral ground?

Shakhtar’s ground is half of what it used to be.

 

[Kelso]

John lundstram is a lucky fecker to get a thread

See that our well liked by everybody former employee John Lundstram, is now equally vilified by rangers fans now. From being the Golden boy, they have now released that he is only interested in himself. Since Cantwell has arrived he had taken his bat and ball home and showing no interest. Similar to when Berge arrived. Pour sole must be difficult to be universally disliked wherever he goes. Twat