Challenging dead balls

[Bruce Wayne]

So if we’re poor, is it a free pass for the ref and the opposition?

WTF? We didn't deserve a point but we got one, the ref is the least of our concerns.

 

[stringer]

I’d have observed a fairly obvious booking and thought little of it.

The booking he did give out to Fox you mean?

 

[Punk Blade]

The booking he did give out to Fox you mean?

I thought that was for the second one when it looked like Blackman got caught while kicking it. No idea if it was the same guy, but if it was maybe we’d have benfitted from a second booking and red card. Or maybe he wouldn’t have done the second one and the rest of them (or #17 repeatedly) wouldn’t have carried on.

 

[stringer]

I thought that was for the second one when it looked like Blackman got caught while kicking it. No idea if it was the same guy, but if it was maybe we’d have benfitted from a second booking and red card. Or maybe he wouldn’t have done the second one and the rest of them (or #17 repeatedly) wouldn’t have carried on.

Bookemall

 

[Punk Blade]

WTF? We didn't deserve a point but we got one, the ref is the least of our concerns.

Refereeing as a whole is our concern not just as Blades, but as football fans. If we let them get away with not applying the rules, citing the fact that his overall performance didn’t affect the result, then we’ll have to accept them not applying the rules in the future.

 

[Punk Blade]

Bookemall

For bookable offences? Yep, smashing idea, why didn’t I think of that?

 

[Foxy]

Refereeing as a whole is our concern not just as Blades, but as football fans. If we let them get away with not applying the rules, citing the fact that his overall performance didn’t affect the result, then we’ll have to accept them not applying the rules in the future.

Why show you are in charge by applying the laws correctly, when you can court it instead by stopping the game to clear some already visible red lines?

Simple solution, when they boot the ball away the first couple of times, get a yellow card out, it doesn't happen again that game.

After you've told the keeper once, it's a yellow card next time he clearly wastes time.

Tell the players before the match, 'any crowding me or remonstrating at me, it's a yellow card' then follow through with it.

When a player has to trudge off apparently injured, make him go the shortest way to the nearest touchline, rather than walking the longest possible route.

Simple this common sense officiating lark.

 

[1889]

News flash - he didn't miss an open goal from 2 yards.

I'd say it was nearer 2 feet, harder to miss than score........fuckin' referee

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Refereeing as a whole is our concern not just as Blades, but as football fans. If we let them get away with not applying the rules, citing the fact that his overall performance didn’t affect the result, then we’ll have to accept them not applying the rules in the future.

Cunts the lot of them. Did you see that nudge the ref gave Leon when he missed the impossible miss from 2 yards. I say ban refs.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I noticed that too, our players should take the free kick and if the player aint 10 yards away he gets booked, or if booked already gets his marching orders. If he doesn't the leaders in our team start playing f**k with the officials until he does start brandishing the cards. There again our so called leaders in the team appear to be getting less and less vocal by the week.

This stopping quick free kicks has always been there but now players are breaking the rules Willi nillie as refs fail to take action due to the cheap booking syndrome .Football these days is sliding In to anti entertainment mode ,short quick free kicks keep the momentum of the game going ,refs should clamp down on it but most of the time they see no evil .It's the same with shirt pulling g and holding in the box from corners.Some refs again let it go no matter how obvious it is.
Today's game was a typical example ,keep the game flowing and momentum is kept and excitement ensues.we didn't play well today but one or two situations where the ref should have stepped in spoiled the game as we were attempting to build momentum.All teams do it including us but there has to be a way of stopping it,the best way is a booking ! cheap or not.
It may seem petty going on about this but it breaks up play a tactic which works usually in the away teams favour.
All this talk about VAR making it a better game helping the ref to get it right which is a good thing we have situations which refs ignore , maybe ssoon things will change but I doubt it.

 

[Punk Blade]

Cunts the lot of them. Did you see that nudge the ref gave Leon when he missed the impossible miss from 2 yards. I say ban refs.

Yeah but what about that time he pushed Blackman over to make a save?

As they say, these things even out.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Michael Brown had a simple solution to this problem: kick the ball a hard as possible at the first opponent attempting to stop the quick free kick, and then watch the referee book him.If the opposition haven't learnt their lesson, rinse and repeat. Arguing with the ref as the opposition continually stops the quick free kicks is stupid.

 

[stringer]

For bookable offences? Yep, smashing idea, why didn’t I think of that?

Is it a bookable offence every time? Is there a specific rule or is it just obstruction? Can’t see anything about it in the laws of the game.

 

[Punk Blade]

Is it a bookable offence every time? Is there a specific rule or is it just obstruction? Can’t see anything about it in the laws of the game.

However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.

http://www.theifab.com/laws/free-kicks/chapters/free-kick-offences-and-sanctions

Took me less than a minute.

 

[stringer]

However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.

http://www.theifab.com/laws/free-kicks/chapters/free-kick-offences-and-sanctions

Took me less than a minute.

It wasn’t a free-kick. Blackman had the ball in his hands. Have another minute

 

[Punk Blade]

It wasn’t a free-kick. Blackman had the ball in his hands. Have another minute

Sorry I thought ‘bookemall’ was in reference to all these incidents.

No I can’t see anything specific about booking players for obstructing the GK preventing him from releasing the ball. Did you think he was right or wrong with the yellow he did show? I maintain that stopping the game to at least tell him to pack it in would have been better for the game. Personally I thought it worth a caution. The referee undermined his own authority by not awarding a free kick and Forest kept testing his limit.

 

[stringer]

Sorry I thought ‘bookemall’ was in reference to all these incidents.

No I can’t see anything specific about booking players for obstructing the GK preventing him from releasing the ball. Did you think he was right or wrong with the yellow he did show? I maintain that stopping the game to at least tell him to pack it in would have been better for the game. Personally I thought it worth a caution. The referee undermined his own authority by not awarding a free kick and Forest kept testing his limit.

If it was Fox who impeded Blackman the second time - I wasn’t sure it was and his reaction backed that up a little - then yeah, I think a booking the second time was about right. Giving the free-kick would have done nothing to aid United except slow the game down and give Forest time to regroup - which is exactly what Fox was trying to do by impeding Blackman. You’re right that delaying the taking of a FK should be a booking but it happens that often these days that I think refs are told to use their common sense with it, and Duffy/Evans are usually as guilty as most teams of doing it. Don’t get me wrong, if I was a ref I think I would bookemall - especially the annoying habit of holding onto the ball/kicking it away when you’ve conceded a free kick (which again, Evans is proficient at doing!)

 

[Punk Blade]

If it was Fox who impeded Blackman the second time - I wasn’t sure it was and his reaction backed that up a little - then yeah, I think a booking the second time was about right. Giving the free-kick would have done nothing to aid United except slow the game down and give Forest time to regroup - which is exactly what Fox was trying to do by impeding Blackman. You’re right that delaying the taking of a FK should be a booking but it happens that often these days that I think refs are told to use their common sense with it, and Duffy/Evans are usually as guilty as most teams of doing it. Don’t get me wrong, if I was a ref I think I would bookemall - especially the annoying habit of holding onto the ball/kicking it away when you’ve conceded a free kick (which again, Evans is proficient at doing!)

Which all brings me back to my original point that someone putting in a challenge on Evans as he took a free kick, Baldock sidestepping the same opponent three times and someone attempting to use his hands to impede Blackman were all extreme versions of what we seem to now have to accept as the norm. I hate it, but if I started a thread on what irked me in this regard after every game it would have got boring a long time ago. I thought those examples were beyond what we (as fans, I don’t like seeing it either way) usually have to put up with and was astonished that they weren’t sufficient for the referee to take action.

For what it’s worth, I acknowledge that we also do it, but I think there are two types of obstructing free kicks. There’s standing in front of the ball to start your retreat and retreating slowly - you’ll get to ten yards and you’re just buying your team mates a bit of time to get in position. Then there’s having a quick game of volleyball with your mates, chasing after the taker and attempting to block the kick. I don’t see us do much of the latter, and certainly not to the extent that I see opponents do it, but I only go to home games so perhaps we act up away from home.

 

[Fanny magnet]

It's not the referees at fault it's our players
They are a naive bunch who font seen to have the bollox for the game at this level

About time they stepped up and showed a bit of fight instead of letting ageing campaigners like Watson come to our ground and own the ref why not show a bit of nouse and put a stop to it

 

[wizadry]

Just boot the ball in their bollocks or their face, they won’t stand there again.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

The first impeding of Blackman was by Fox (#13) and spotted by the referee who played advantage as we had the ball. Before the ball went out of play, Watson (#32) also impeded Blackman as he was trying to kick the ball which the referee gave nothing for. The ball went out of play seconds after this and the referee, rightly, went back and booked Fox. However, the Watson impeding was not seen or else he would also have surely been booked. Watson was booked later in the match but the booking was not for his impeding of Blackman; it went to Fox for the earlier incident.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The first impeding of Blackman was by Fox (#13) and spotted by the referee who played advantage as we had the ball. Before the ball went out of play, Watson (#32) also impeded Blackman as he was trying to kick the ball which the referee gave nothing for. The ball went out of play seconds after this and the referee, rightly, went back and booked Fox. However, the Watson impeding was not seen or else he would also have surely been booked. Watson was booked later in the match but the booking was not for his impeding of Blackman; it went to Fox for the earlier incident.

The ref was looking the other way for the second offence.

 

[Punk Blade]

The first impeding of Blackman was by Fox (#13) and spotted by the referee who played advantage as we had the ball. Before the ball went out of play, Watson (#32) also impeded Blackman as he was trying to kick the ball which the referee gave nothing for. The ball went out of play seconds after this and the referee, rightly, went back and booked Fox. However, the Watson impeding was not seen or else he would also have surely been booked. Watson was booked later in the match but the booking was not for his impeding of Blackman; it went to Fox for the earlier incident.

In that case he probably did the right thing with the Fox incident. I couldn’t see which player it was either time, and as the ball went out of play so soon after the second incident I assumed that was what he produced the yellow card for.

Unfortunate for the ref that it happened again so quickly (and perhaps out of his field of vision) so not getting the benefit of having set the precedent with the first booking. Personally I don’t think having the ball in the GK’s hands is such a great advantage that it isn’t worth pulling the player up at the time and making it clear you won’t tolerate such behaviour, but if he went back to book Fox that’ll do me.

 

[Foxy]

The ref was looking the other way for the second offence.

Just like the free kick he gave a little later in front of me which appeared to be based purely on the noise the Forest player made, as I clearly saw both the challenge and the referee, watching the ball, looking in the other direction entirely.

 

[stringer]

Just like the free kick he gave a little later in front of me which appeared to be based purely on the noise the Forest player made, as I clearly saw both the challenge and the referee, watching the ball, looking in the other direction entirely.

One of his assistants maybe?

Personally I don’t think having the ball in the GK’s hands is such a great advantage that it isn’t worth pulling the player up at the time and making it clear you won’t tolerate such behaviour

As before, ask yourself why Fox was trying to impede Blackman - to slow the game down and prevent a quick break. The referee stopping the game for the free-kick would do exactly that for them, so he did right for me.

 

[Foxy]

One of his assistants maybe?

Didn't seem to be the best placed one (the one who was also in front of me) so who knows. The other would have been a little far away to see without doubt that it was a foul.

 

[stringer]

Didn't seem to be the best placed one (the one who was also in front of me) so who knows. The other would have been a little far away to see without doubt that it was a foul.

Or the Fourth maybe.

 

[Punk Blade]

One of his assistants maybe?



As before, ask yourself why Fox was trying to impede Blackman - to slow the game down and prevent a quick break. The referee stopping the game for the free-kick would do exactly that for them, so he did right for me.

So whether the referee stops the game or not, the Forest player has succeeded in slowing the game and preventing a quick break. We may as well get the benefit of him getting a telling off/yellow card then.

 

[stringer]

So whether the referee stops the game or not, the Forest player has succeeded in slowing the game and preventing a quick break. We may as well get the benefit of him getting a telling off/yellow card then.

Blackman side-stepped him and booted it half the length of the field, to Sharp (?) from memory.

 

[wizadry]

The referee gave multiple decisions by guessing because none of the AR flagged whilst he wasn’t looking at the apparent offence committed, the Ref couldn’t wait to blow his whistle numerous times.