Carver Out

[Ollessendro]

No I don't Olle, I am consistent on this. Yes, you clearly have a good sense of humour, but yes, you have also, in my opinion, done damage to this forum

And yes, I would say to Mic in the pub what I have said to him on here. It would be a bit pointless, because I suspect I would be saying it to somebody who is very different from the internet persona he seems to have decided to put across, one often finds that to be the case. But I would be quite happy to say it.

Sure, well we'll all have to get together and have a beer some time then. This way we can isult each other face to face

Hi Olle we've not crossed lately because i stepped back and refused to keep squabbling with you. Despite you keeping goading me and others mentioning our names with a 'what do you think of that then', attitude. If Nick J said you'd single handedly tried to destroy the forum, That is how I personally felt.
I've watched from a distance and you seemed to step back for a while too.
Maybe we both learned our lessons about how to behave not coz we shouldnot express ourselves but just so the forum community works really well.
It was the tragic news about Happy Hippy that made me think even more about how we should value this place and its members. I'm sure from time to time we will all still shout and curse each others comments from time to time the trick is not to get to stuck in our ways.
Anyway back to this thread.
you have defended Mic as you see, the problem I have with his comments is this below.

''Sorry John pal but you aint wanted at BDTBL, thousands of loyal Blades do not want you as manager of the club''.

How many thousands did he ask? I'm a season ticket holder, he didnt ask me and surly season ticket holders come first. How long has he been the spokesman for us all?

Oreit Boo. I certainly don't remeber trying to antagonise you. I admit I did take thos sunshine band thing a little too far (though I had my reasons). In a way I have taken a step back and have moved back towards how I used to post.

You'll have to ask Mic how many thousands of Blades he asked. However, what is unreasonable about his assumption? The next manager poll (Highbury's I think) showed that Carver had little support for the position. If you take the poll as a representative sample (there is no reason to believe otherwise) then it shows that Carver is well down the list. O'Driscoll was streets ahead and so was Adams. We can presume from this that Carver is not wanted by Blades fans. So it is a perfectly rational statement of Mics to say thousands don;t want Carver (because they want SOD or Micky Adams).

Even if you don't agree with the above (and I am expecting you will not) and even if you thought that Mic was being arrogant and provocative, do you think it is acceptable for him to be personally insulted?

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU BOTH

 

[Nick Jansky]

Sure, well we'll all have to get together and have a beer some time then. This way we can isult each other face to face

Up for a beer at any time. Preferably on a match day, somewhere near to London Road. ;-)

 

[norfolkblade]

I couldn't give a fuck if it was John Virgo in charge, as long as we are winning I'm not overly fussed!

 

[JohnDenver]

Aside from everything else... Is Carver / Morgan the scariest looking managerial duo of all time?

I'm off to unscare the horses...

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Aside from everything else... Is Carver / Morgan the scariest looking managerial duo of all time?

I'm off to unscare the horses...

Was thinking that t'other day, could almost be related

 

[lenners]

The fino is empty, Micalijo supped it all.

Bit of a longshot lenny but I don't suppose you kept your heroes post from after the Spurs match did you? I know you're a modest soul so are unlikely to have kept such an era-defining piece of prose to, excuse me for using the modern vernacular, big-up yourself in the future but if you've got it tucked away, can I request you post it over the festive period? Christmas Day would be ideal.

A donation to Help the Heroes from Cooper Towers if it appears.

Cheers

UTB

Sorry Mr Coops, don't keep 'em and haven't the foggiest how you try to find things like that on that there internet.
Mr Fleetwood might know, he knows about these things.
Twas a fine day, to be sure.
Not quite of the 1990 Notts Forest 3-2 vintage, but not far away.
Was Quinny playing?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Sorry Mr Coops, don't keep 'em and haven't the foggiest how you try to find things like that on that there internet.
Mr Fleetwood might know, he knows about these things.

T'internet is a wonderful thing

Set of heroes - lendegoey1 - 11/02/2007 13:18


Paddy - super hero - not much to do yesterday but warrants it just for being Paddy.
Derek - super hero - fabulous season. Staunton's loss.
Stretch - hero - only solid yesterday but for coming back from injury the way he has.
Jags - super hero - is there a better centre half in the country at the moment?
Lucketti - super hero - must wake up each day pinching himself he's not dreaming.
Tonge - hero - not quite in the super hero bracket yet but what about that dribble through their defence? More please Tongey, you can do it.
Kazza - hero - quality yesterday, particularly deadball situations.
Quinny - super hero - going to be a very good Premiership player if he carries on developing.
Hulse - super hero - phenomenal workrate, great in the air, leading the line in a different way but as well as Deano once did.
Stead - hero - but likely to make the step up if he carries on like this.

And McMonty - every super hero rolled into one - astonishing performance from him yesterday.
They shall not pass must be stamped on his heart. Wouldn't be surprised if he's still running now.

 

[Mad Mick]

Wait, if we dump the caretaker manager, does that make Morgan the caretaker-caretaker manager? Do we need to hire a caretaker manager again before we hire a permanent manager?

It could be Ellis next in line, now that is scary.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

They shall not pass must be stamped on his heart.

That's on his left ventricle - his right has 'I shall not pass' on it.

 

[sheffielder]

I'd hazard a guess one or two responses would have been substantially different if JC hadn't scraped a 1-0 on Saturday.
I might have expressed it differently but if United are to be believed about stamping a new culture on the club, a close acolyte of Blackwell is not the way to go.
That should be clear to all of us, no?

So you are Mic then Len?

 

[davidpinder]

First thing apologies if this has been mentioned in this post but i just can't be bothered to read all 5 pages. So going back to what mic said in his first post, i also don't want john calver as manager i will agree with you there however as for not being able to afford SoD than i have heard on good authority (p.s Jim not same guy who told me craig short was next in line) that Doncaster owe united 500k for billy Sharp and Donny want 500k for SoD compo so the deal for that is pretty much done it is now down to if SoD wants to manage united??? If he turns it down then we will be appointing Micky Adams.

 

[boo radley]

Oreit Boo. I certainly don't remeber trying to antagonise you. I admit I did take thos sunshine band thing a little too far (though I had my reasons). In a way I have taken a step back and have moved back towards how I used to post.

You'll have to ask Mic how many thousands of Blades he asked. However, what is unreasonable about his assumption? The next manager poll (Highbury's I think) showed that Carver had little support for the position. If you take the poll as a representative sample (there is no reason to believe otherwise) then it shows that Carver is well down the list. O'Driscoll was streets ahead and so was Adams. We can presume from this that Carver is not wanted by Blades fans. So it is a perfectly rational statement of Mics to say thousands don;t want Carver (because they want SOD or Micky Adams).

Even if you don't agree with the above (and I am expecting you will not) and even if you thought that Mic was being arrogant and provocative, do you think it is acceptable for him to be personally insulted?

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU BOTH

It may depend on what you call personal abuse? If john carver read this thread opener where Mic has judged him against Blackwell and took it to heart (i realise he's probably not a member) and he 'Buggered off' right now would that satify Mic? would his OP be classed as personal abuse? Or do you have to be a member of this forum to suffer that from a poster?
I am thankful the way you have changed, Defending someone against personal abuse ( although we all know you two are in the same camp). Remember all those who took personal abuse from Big Mart, loads and loads of it far worse than any of the above. You ran a campaign to get him re-instated. Perhaps you will now aknowledge that you were wrong and he was rightly banned.
I dont think personal abuse is right. I fell foul of that once dobbed myself in and got an infraction for it. Mine was rather nasty and I PM'd the person to apologise. However I'm sure we may all fall foul in the future because we may not realise the severity of something we say in the heat of posting on emotive subjects( we should however realise that including swear words in reply we should think twice before posting.
You told five people they should be ashamed. Is not Duncs the same as saying your talking crap? Is B O S wrong to make a judgement that his post is stupid ( he did not say mic was)
I am also glad I am not Mic or any number of other people, because I am quite happy who i am.
Maybe how Mic made his post was wrong. If he said something like 'I dont want john carver as permanent manager so please be prepared to leave us.'
I would like to know if Mic is satisfied with the job he is doing at the moment and if not could he suggest who he would want until we fill the post permanetly. If another poll was set up asking if people were happy with Mr Carver as caretaker, I wonder how that would come out. Come Olle do it for us, I have to go to work so will catch up later.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO:beer:

 

[Ollessendro]

Up for a beer at any time. Preferably on a match day, somewhere near to London Road. ;-)

Aye, aye. Had match day in mind. Not going to be around xmas, as I am away. But sure we'll sort sumert out for the new year. Mic likes to go in the Scholar I think, or there's the Red Lion and the Cremorne which are both allright.

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It may depend on what you call personal abuse? If john carver read this thread opener where Mic has judged him against Blackwell and took it to heart (i realise he's probably not a member) and he 'Buggered off' right now would that satify Mic? would his OP be classed as personal abuse? Or do you have to be a member of this forum to suffer that from a poster?
I am thankful the way you have changed, Defending someone against personal abuse ( although we all know you two are in the same camp). Remember all those who took personal abuse from Big Mart, loads and loads of it far worse than any of the above. You ran a campaign to get him re-instated. Perhaps you will now aknowledge that you were wrong and he was rightly banned.
I dont think personal abuse is right. I fell foul of that once dobbed myself in and got an infraction for it. Mine was rather nasty and I PM'd the person to apologise. However I'm sure we may all fall foul in the future because we may not realise the severity of something we say in the heat of posting on emotive subjects( we should however realise that including swear words in reply we should think twice before posting.
You told five people they should be ashamed. Is not Duncs the same as saying your talking crap? Is B O S wrong to make a judgement that his post is stupid ( he did not say mic was)
I am also glad I am not Mic or any number of other people, because I am quite happy who i am.
Maybe how Mic made his post was wrong. If he said something like 'I dont want john carver as permanent manager so please be prepared to leave us.'
I would like to know if Mic is satisfied with the job he is doing at the moment and if not could he suggest who he would want until we fill the post permanetly. If another poll was set up asking if people were happy with Mr Carver as caretaker, I wonder how that would come out. Come Olle do it for us, I have to go to work so will catch up later.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO:beer:

Let’s be realistic about this, John Carver will not be reading this. Even so, is there anything abusive towards him? Mic actually says he is a nice bloke, but points out that in his opinion he thinks JC is not up to it. I think you have to be a poster to answer your question. By contrast the abuse directed at Mic will be read by Mic and the posters know it.
Has no one ever thought that the Big Mart thread was tongue in cheek? The fact that it was sent as a sunshine band statement should send alarm bells ringing. It was supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt, although I’d be lying if I said I didn’t predict it would get a reaction. Big Mart broke the rules and suffered the consequences.
There is a fine line between shooting someone down and getting personally abusive. I think Dunc and BOS were very close to that line and possibly stepped over it. Maybe they could be given the benefit of the doubt, but would you be happy if someone labelled a post of yours ‘stupid’? To me it is worse than saying nonsense or rubbish, it implies stupidity.
Mic should be free to express his views in any way he wants, as long as he doesn’t break the rules. I really don’t see why he should say ‘John thanks, but no thanks. You are a gent, but we’d like you to step aside’ if he feels stronger on this issue. Yes he may have stated it aggressively and arrogantly (not my opinion, but clearly how others feel) and this may mean he opens himself up for criticism, but abuse is unnecessary. There are plenty of posters on here who put their views forward in ways that others don’t like. Posters may get your back up for being ‘arrogant, pedantic, belittling, presumptuous or whatever’ but name calling is just silly. Also, people forget that the unwritten rule is that once your swear at someone or insult them you lose the argument (and make yourself look like tit).

Oh and on your final point, Mic was asking him to rule himself out as permanent manager of the club. The post in no way makes an issue of him being caretaker manager and satisfaction associated with that. He just states that moving forward we need experience and Carver doesn’t have that. He implies (and rightly so in my opinion) that if Carver has the best interests of SUFC at heart then he should step aside gracefully. I don’t think many would care to disagree with that. Anyone?

 

[Robbie]

There is a fine line between shooting someone down and getting personally abusive. I think Dunc and BOS were very close to that line and possibly stepped over it. Maybe they could be given the benefit of the doubt, but would you be happy if someone labelled a post of yours ‘stupid’?

Surely branding a post 'stupid', is an opinion of that post, something that you're eager to encourage.
Perhaps they're words could have been chosen more carefully, but at the same point - so could the original post.

Mic should be free to express his views in any way he wants, as long as he doesn’t break the rules.

I think peoples issues are in that he posted as if he were talking for everyone, rather than just stating his opinion.

 

[boo radley]

Aye, aye. Had match day in mind. Not going to be around xmas, as I am away. But sure we'll sort sumert out for the new year. Mic likes to go in the Scholar I think, or there's the Red Lion and the Cremorne which are both allright.

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Let’s be realistic about this, John Carver will not be reading this. Even so, is there anything abusive towards him? Mic actually says he is a nice bloke, but points out that in his opinion he thinks JC is not up to it. I think you have to be a poster to answer your question. By contrast the abuse directed at Mic will be read by Mic and the posters know it.
Has no one ever thought that the Big Mart thread was tongue in cheek? The fact that it was sent as a sunshine band statement should send alarm bells ringing. It was supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt, although I’d be lying if I said I didn’t predict it would get a reaction. Big Mart broke the rules and suffered the consequences.
There is a fine line between shooting someone down and getting personally abusive. I think Dunc and BOS were very close to that line and possibly stepped over it. Maybe they could be given the benefit of the doubt, but would you be happy if someone labelled a post of yours ‘stupid’? To me it is worse than saying nonsense or rubbish, it implies stupidity.
Mic should be free to express his views in any way he wants, as long as he doesn’t break the rules. I really don’t see why he should say ‘John thanks, but no thanks. You are a gent, but we’d like you to step aside’ if he feels stronger on this issue. Yes he may have stated it aggressively and arrogantly (not my opinion, but clearly how others feel) and this may mean he opens himself up for criticism, but abuse is unnecessary. There are plenty of posters on here who put their views forward in ways that others don’t like. Posters may get your back up for being ‘arrogant, pedantic, belittling, presumptuous or whatever’ but name calling is just silly. Also, people forget that the unwritten rule is that once your swear at someone or insult them you lose the argument (and make yourself look like tit).

Oh and on your final point, Mic was asking him to rule himself out as permanent manager of the club. The post in no way makes an issue of him being caretaker manager and satisfaction associated with that. He just states that moving forward we need experience and Carver doesn’t have that. He implies (and rightly so in my opinion) that if Carver has the best interests of SUFC at heart then he should step aside gracefully. I don’t think many would care to disagree with that. Anyone?

Oh my god it looks like we're not far off agreeing Now where was that Monty thread of yours I still would like to know if he thinks Carver is doing a good job at present?
It wernt just one thread that Big Mart abused people on it was several. So Mr Mild i commend you on your ability to step back and admit you were wrong to try and get him re-instated for his abuse was a 1000 times worse than what you have highlighted on here. He also may have lost most if not all his arguments if we follow your unwritten rule about swearing at another poster.
I dont actually disagree with a lot of what Mic said just the way he said it.
So a question for you Olle are you happy with the job Mr Carver is doing untill we appoint permanently?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Aye, aye. Had match day in mind. Not going to be around xmas, as I am away. But sure we'll sort sumert out for the new year. Mic likes to go in the Scholar I think, or there's the Red Lion and the Cremorne which are both allright.

Yep, we'll get it sorted. Cremorne works for me, was my matchday haunt for many years, and they do decent ale.

 

[sheffielder]

Aye, aye. Had match day in mind. Not going to be around xmas, as I am away. But sure we'll sort sumert out for the new year. Mic likes to go in the Scholar I think, or there's the Red Lion and the Cremorne which are both allright.

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Let’s be realistic about this, John Carver will not be reading this. Even so, is there anything abusive towards him? Mic actually says he is a nice bloke, but points out that in his opinion he thinks JC is not up to it. I think you have to be a poster to answer your question. By contrast the abuse directed at Mic will be read by Mic and the posters know it.
Has no one ever thought that the Big Mart thread was tongue in cheek? The fact that it was sent as a sunshine band statement should send alarm bells ringing. It was supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt, although I’d be lying if I said I didn’t predict it would get a reaction. Big Mart broke the rules and suffered the consequences.
There is a fine line between shooting someone down and getting personally abusive. I think Dunc and BOS were very close to that line and possibly stepped over it. Maybe they could be given the benefit of the doubt, but would you be happy if someone labelled a post of yours ‘stupid’? To me it is worse than saying nonsense or rubbish, it implies stupidity.
Mic should be free to express his views in any way he wants, as long as he doesn’t break the rules. I really don’t see why he should say ‘John thanks, but no thanks. You are a gent, but we’d like you to step aside’ if he feels stronger on this issue. Yes he may have stated it aggressively and arrogantly (not my opinion, but clearly how others feel) and this may mean he opens himself up for criticism, but abuse is unnecessary. There are plenty of posters on here who put their views forward in ways that others don’t like. Posters may get your back up for being ‘arrogant, pedantic, belittling, presumptuous or whatever’ but name calling is just silly. Also, people forget that the unwritten rule is that once your swear at someone or insult them you lose the argument (and make yourself look like tit).

Oh and on your final point, Mic was asking him to rule himself out as permanent manager of the club. The post in no way makes an issue of him being caretaker manager and satisfaction associated with that. He just states that moving forward we need experience and Carver doesn’t have that. He implies (and rightly so in my opinion) that if Carver has the best interests of SUFC at heart then he should step aside gracefully. I don’t think many would care to disagree with that. Anyone?

Carver saying he doesn't want the job just isn't a good idea in my book. Don't give the players an excuse to think it's ok because he won't be here in January anyway. 99% of us don't want Carver as manager but give the guy some respect. He is doing the right thing by us for whatever his personal reasons are.

 

[Ollessendro]

Oh my god it looks like we're not far off agreeing Now where was that Monty thread of yours I still would like to know if he thinks Carver is doing a good job at present?
It wernt just one thread that Big Mart abused people on it was several. So Mr Mild i commend you on your ability to step back and admit you were wrong to try and get him re-instated for his abuse was a 1000 times worse than what you have highlighted on here. He also may have lost most if not all his arguments if we follow your unwritten rule about swearing at another poster.
I dont actually disagree with a lot of what Mic said just the way he said it.
So a question for you Olle are you happy with the job Mr Carver is doing untill we appoint permanently?

Go and read the sunshine band 'bring back Big Mart' thread and come back. Anyone who took that seriously doesn't knowe the meaning of the word banter or joke. It was tongue in cheek. I PM'd Linz and Foxy to make them aware that I didn't really want it to happen.

Am I happy with the job Carver is doing. Errrrmmm, well I was happy with the Swansea result. Other than that I can't really say. I guess yes, but it is results that matter. It is way too early to comment in my book. I'll give you a better answer after 3rd January, but by that point we'll hopefully have his replacement.

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Oh and Mic, can I congratulate you on your thread getting to 100 posts so quickly. 100 posts in less than 24 hours is pretty impressive. Something that has attracted so much attention, caused such a stir and possibly broke records must have something. Well done! Rise above the pathetic personal insults and keep entertaining us all with your perals of wisdom!?

 

[boo radley]

Go and read the sunshine band 'bring back Big Mart' thread and come back. Anyone who took that seriously doesn't knowe the meaning of the word banter or joke. It was tongue in cheek. I PM'd Linz and Foxy to make them aware that I didn't really want it to happen.

I have no interest in reading it. Please accept my pat on the back, Good for you.

 

[Come from away]

I actually was impressed by how well Carver has conducted himself. Seems to have set up the team well, but in such a close game, as it was against Swansea, we could easily have lost. So, did he have the luck Speed didn't or was there a real tactical change? Certainly a good coach for the next manager to keep, but I would need to see those away wins befors I became a believer.

 

[Stafford Blade]

Sorry John pal but you aint wanted at BDTBL, thousands of loyal Blades do not want you as manager of the club, rule yer sen out and as Linz suggested to me the other day - do one. You will destroy our fanbase and rule thousands out of buying a season ticket. You are a coach, a trainer, a decent bloke who loves organising a training session. You are tainted by association with Blackwell and you will never, ever be capable of managing SUFC. Please accept this and bugger off gracefully, returning to the game when Blackie gets another job.

Hope this helps.

For what it's worth, I don't think Birchy could run a piss up in a brewery. We aint speaking to Sean because we can't afford the compo and therefore no point. Very, very sad state of affairs and I applaud Ryan for the way he has dealt with it all so far. Just wish we had the same leadership.

Well, it is only 8 and a bit days until the end of the year, but the award for the stupidest most pathetic post of the year has just been won.

The guy has a record of played 1 won 1............

And as for your comment Carver is "tainted" by his association with Blackwell, does the same apply to all the players that have played for united during Blackwell's time at the club? Even though Speed brought Carver to the club, but we'll not let facts get in the way of a petulant retarded rant will we?

 

[Paulus]

I'm starting to think that the job is Carver's to lose. It seems like he will get a minimum of 4 games in charge, he's already won 1, if he loses the next three then it'll be a shake of the hand and hi JC meet your new boss. However, if the (almost) unthinkable happens and he were to win the next three games the sensible thing to do would be to offer him the job to the end of the season and re-assess when the pressure is off and a new manager can come in with the pre-season in front of him if needed. If that's how it played out I for one would find it very difficult to argue with the logic of the process.

 

[Ollessendro]

I'm starting to think that the job is Carver's to lose. It seems like he will get a minimum of 4 games in charge, he's already won 1, if he loses the next three then it'll be a shake of the hand and hi JC meet your new boss. However, if the (almost) unthinkable happens and he were to win the next three games the sensible thing to do would be to offer him the job to the end of the season and re-assess when the pressure is off and a new manager can come in with the pre-season in front of him if needed. If that's how it played out I for one would find it very difficult to argue with the logic of the process.

Complete and utter lack of ambition, massive step backwards and school boy error. Have you, McCabe and the restof the fans not learnt anything from the Blackwell appointment? Giving Carver the job based on 4 games would be nothing short of criminal. Typical Blades fans attitude, oh 5th choice ... til be reit. Carver is not ready for the job and should not be appointed for long than a caretaker period of a few games. Giving him a longer contract would be short sighted, unambtious and outrright stupid. Right now the pressure is off (as it was with KB after he came in for Robson) but it would be a completely different kettle of fish if he was given the job longer. Right now he has nothing to lose, but that would change if appointed longer. I still can't believe that after the last few seasons, Blades fans would still be happy with another poor appointment. Ah yeah, a risk, mediocrity, oh but he won 3 of his 4 games in charge as a caretaker.

We need a manager with experience. A manager who will change the ethos of the club. A manager wo can wheel and deal on a shoe string. A manager who has a vision for the club. Some Blades fans make me want to cry with their complete lack of ambition and apathy towards big decisions.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Complete and utter lack of ambition, massive step backwards and school boy error. Have you, McCabe and the restof the fans not learnt anything from the Blackwell appointment? Giving Carver the job based on 4 games would be nothing short of criminal. Typical Blades fans attitude, oh 5th choice ... til be reit. Carver is not ready for the job and should not be appointed for long than a caretaker period of a few games. Giving him a longer contract would be short sighted, unambtious and outrright stupid. Right now the pressure is off (as it was with KB after he came in for Robson) but it would be a completely different kettle of fish if he was given the job longer. Right now he has nothing to lose, but that would change if appointed longer. I still can't believe that after the last few seasons, Blades fans would still be happy with another poor appointment. Ah yeah, a risk, mediocrity, oh but he won 3 of his 4 games in charge as a caretaker.

We need a manager with experience. A manager who will change the ethos of the club. A manager wo can wheel and deal on a shoe string. A manager who has a vision for the club. Some Blades fans make me want to cry with their complete lack of ambition and apathy towards big decisions.

He wants to be the new len, but in reality, he's a slightly downmarket Curtis, and that takes some doing.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

We need a manager with experience. A manager who will change the ethos of the club. A manager wo can wheel and deal on a shoe string. A manager who has a vision for the club. Some Blades fans make me want to cry with their complete lack of ambition and apathy towards big decisions.

There is no guarantee that a 'manager with...' is going to be any better here than any other. There are enough 'heroes and villains' in management, managers who have had good spells and bad spells, success and failure. You can add to the list yourselves but Aidy Boothroyd, Mick McCarthy, Ian Holloway are but three examples. In the end if Carver proves that he is up for the job and can deliver success then why is that a massive failure?

I dont buy this 'only O'Driscoll will do' bandwagon. Its bullshit. He's a manager, thats all. He could come here and be as successful off the field as Billy Sharp was on the field. The expectations here are different to anything he has come across so far. Could he handle it? As for experience, Bournmouth, then Donny with only two promotions in ten years, both through play-offs, well that puts him in the upper bracket, doesn't it?

Incidentally, the ethos and vision of the club comes not from the manager but from the board of Directors the Chairman and Owner. They tell the manager what they expect and its up to him to deliver. The interviews will I guess included the question. 'How do you think you would deliver what we want?'. There are enough names on the list to ensure that we get one who can...

 

[Micalijo]

There is no guarantee that a 'manager with...' is going to be any better here than any other. There are enough 'heroes and villains' in management, managers who have had good spells and bad spells, success and failure. You can add to the list yourselves but Aidy Boothroyd, Mick McCarthy, Ian Holloway are but three examples. In the end if Carver proves that he is up for the job and can deliver success then why is that a massive failure?

I dont buy this 'only O'Driscoll will do bandwagon'. Its bullshit. He's a manager, thats all. He could come here and be as successful off the field as Billy Sharp was on the field. The expectations here are different to anything he has come across so far. Could he handle it?

Incidentally, the ethos and vision of the club comes not from the manager but from the board of Directors the Chairman and Owner. They tell the manager what they expect and its up to him to deliver. The interviews will I guess included the question. 'How do you think you would deliver what we want?'. There are enough names on the list to ensure that we get one who can...

Expectations? I didn't think they were allowed in your world. You just turn up, watch the game, talk about facts only and come back in 2 weeks time. Lovely. I don't even know why you are bothered really about all this manager speculation.

 

[Ollessendro]

He wants to be the new len, but in reality, he's a slightly downmarket Curtis, and that takes some doing.

Merry Christmas Trig. Another perfectic post that offers little to the debate. It's so sad that you can offer nothing to the forum except for little jibes at myself and Lenners.

There is no guarantee that a 'manager with...' is going to be any better here than any other. There are enough 'heroes and villains' in management, managers who have had good spells and bad spells, success and failure. You can add to the list yourselves but Aidy Boothroyd, Mick McCarthy, Ian Holloway are but three examples. In the end if Carver proves that he is up for the job and can deliver success then why is that a massive failure?

I dont buy this 'only O'Driscoll will do bandwagon'. Its bullshit. He's a manager, thats all. He could come here and be as successful off the field as Billy Sharp was on the field. The expectations here are different to anything he has come across so far. Could he handle it?

Incidentally, the ethos and vision of the club comes not from the manager but from the board of Directors the Chairman and Owner. They tell the manager what they expect and its up to him to deliver. The interviews will I guess included the question. 'How do you think you would deliver what we want?'. There are enough names on the list to ensure that we get one who can...

Basing judgements on a handful of games when 'we need an experienced manager' is regressive. Of course there is no guarantee that O'Driscoll would do a better job than Carver, but there is a much higher possibility that he will. We can't say for sure that Adams would be more succesfful than Carver, but I'd have a damn sight more confidence. The last 2 appointments have not worked out. Blackwell did a good job when the pressure was off and the inexperienced Speed really struggled. Now is the time to be ambitous and get someone in who has a proven track record. This whole, we don't know because argument doesn't wash with me. We are a big club, with fantastic facilites. We have a good set up, great academcy, good stadium and decent fan base. We could be a good club with the right manager. It's a very importance choice. A coach with no experience is not the man to take United forward (in my opinion). Others may disagree, but not many according to the new manager poll.

 

[broomhillblade]

Merry Christmas Trig. Another perfectic post that offers little to the debate. It's so sad that you can offer nothing to the forum except for little jibes at myself and Lenners.

Ollie talks about a "debate". That's a novel idea!

 

[Trigger Blade]

Merry Christmas Trig. Another perfectic post that offers little to the debate. It's so sad that you can offer nothing to the forum except for little jibes at myself and Lenners.

Perfectic you say, I don't know quite what to make of that.

Pomposity needs pricking and I just can't stop myself. It's different with len, it's you that keeps comparing yourself with him, not me.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

We could be a good club with the right manager.

I do believe thats why we are planning to interview some candidates after Christmas.

Unless you have got an invite to sit in on them and give your opinion, all of these mental gymnastics, conclusion jumping, and ultimatums about who should and who shouldn't (over whoevers dead body...) are frankly just bullshit and not worth getting worked up about...