Capacity

[Sheffsteel]

without repeating myself as I've written all my thoughts in one post earlier,

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.p...for-premier-league.73442/page-11#post-2152477

I think 35k, maybe a few k more (availability for future), but important that they are good 35k seats. If they go for a more expensive option on the kop, and completely rebuild it will of course cost a lost more, but extra revenue from it. I hate the extension plan personally. The kop was a quick job, and needs replacing IMO

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What is wrong with the extension plan, it provides 90% of everything on the fans wish list, the only thing missing is 3 inch more knee room.

A total rebuild would be massively more expensive and massively more inconvenient with season ticket holders receiving stadium bans.
The laws of physics/ mathematics say that if a stand has more leg room then there’s must be less seats in the same area.
A steeper rake also means less rows of seats. A total rebuild would lower the capacity, so in the business world it makes no sense.
You could say make the area bigger to take more seats but really doubt fans will accept being so high and so far away that you need binoculars to see the players.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I hate it when fans become financially prudent about their clubs. We are the punters FFS we should pushing for our club to improve in every possible way. It’s for the board to worry about the balance sheet. The Kop is an eye sore from inside and out and the facilities and seat layout are wank. We should demand improvements to the ground, and more seats that aren’t restricted view.

That's what Bury fans said too, and every fan who's club in FFP or docked points for insolvency I suppose.

 

[TaxiBlade]

What is wrong with the extension plan, it provides 90% of everything on the fans wish list, the only thing missing is 3 inch more knee room.

A total rebuild would be massively more expensive and massively more inconvenient with season ticket holders receiving stadium bans.
The laws of physics/ mathematics say that if a stand has more leg room then there’s must be less seats in the same area.
A steeper rake also means less rows of seats. A total rebuild would lower the capacity, so in the business world it makes no sense.
You could say make the area bigger to take more seats but really doubt fans will accept being so high and so far away that you need binoculars to see the players.

The extension plan I mentioned in the post that I linked.

I said that if possibility of standing in the kop, cheap option too, to extend, is ok. I'd never agree to a corner being a business building. The ground isn't short of space.

The picture I drew of a 'Spurs' type option could be my choice. Easily room to build about 4/5ths of the size. Bigger capacity, better views, plenty of room to do it, choice of cheap build/quick, or facilities/longer build.

In both scenarios I drew and option that wouldn't reduce capacity by much. Cheap stand at front, and proper build behind.

 

[TaxiBlade]

What is wrong with the extension plan, it provides 90% of everything on the fans wish list, the only thing missing is 3 inch more knee room.

A total rebuild would be massively more expensive and massively more inconvenient with season ticket holders receiving stadium bans.
The laws of physics/ mathematics say that if a stand has more leg room then there’s must be less seats in the same area.
A steeper rake also means less rows of seats. A total rebuild would lower the capacity, so in the business world it makes no sense.
You could say make the area bigger to take more seats but really doubt fans will accept being so high and so far away that you need binoculars to see the players.

90% of wish list is this?:

no legroom, if you are either tall, or sitting next to someone who is tall
constantly standing up and sitting down (at the Tottenham cup game [last time] I sat in the Kop and was sat next to an old bloke, and we got chatting. I was up and down as everyone has to to be able to see, and he just stayed sat down. (long story short we agreed his next one off match should be on the SS , he said he enjoyed it though just being part of it)
can't see a thing
shit toilets
shit facilities
no where to smoke or take drugs
and the whole corner forever cut off by an office block that houses no supporters?

Say we stay in the prem for 10 years, and no worries, and good crowds. The corner is gone. Can't expand it.

Not forward thinking is why the whole ground is tightly packed into a corner, when the site is huge. (great picture in another thread, I'll look for and edit it)

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previewed - looks like I'm being argumentative, but not meant that way. Is important discussion.

 

[blade too long]

We are not Hull though

A redeveloped kop lasts forever signing a player doesn’t

Would you rather sign lys moussett or redevelop the KOP

I did say we are one club who could take the risk of expanding as we get 23000 in league one when not. Being too good

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Has Saturday sold out yet?

 

[Tom Bott]

I hope the new owners have ambitions to expand the lane.

Because traditionally we have always had 40,000 supporters ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Because traditionally we have always had 40,000 supporters ?

We would always get 33/34k home supporters in the prem plus away fans so doing the KOP would give us the perfect capacity IMO

 

[TaxiBlade]

Because traditionally we have always had 40,000 supporters ?

Just out of interest, using Arsenal or West Ham* as two examples...

If we went back in time 10-20 years, and you were in charge of Arsenal's new stadium, what capacity would you build it?

(not a trick question, I'm just interested)

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*apols for using to compare, but WH have sold all their season tickets with deals and conning the UK, but still sold tickets to people who must at least like them! lol

If in theory most non-regular Blades went to a match, then how big could you build BL?

 

[BladeInIreland]

Because traditionally we have always had 40,000 supporters ?

I don’t understand your point, or at least I hope it’s not what I think it is.

We haven’t traditionally had 40,000 supporters so we won’t in future. Have a bit of ambition, there’s no reason we couldn’t if someone comes in with a real strategy.

 

[I should coco]

Would you rather sign lys moussett or redevelop the KOP

What a shit question.

Before we'd signed McBurnie when people thought the Moose was as good as it could get, we were happy. Now we have other options and he hasn't played , he's suddenly a joke and a waste of money.

I seem to remember that 2 months ago you were all gung ho about how we had to spend spend spend. Now we've done that, you're knocking players you've never seen in a cheap thread jibe.

If Moose doesn't work out, put it in the short column of CW mistakes, but FFS give the lad a chance first.

 

[Shirty Blade]

I like the idea of a neutral area for the Premier League. Not sure how this would work in practice or where it would be. Seems to me we don't need to extend the stadium as (apart for the big teams) we can't sell out as it is. Would like to see an upgrade to the kop. The extension seems best to me - but only as we steadily grow our fan base!

 

[TaxiBlade]

I like the idea of a neutral area for the Premier League. Not sure how this would work in practice or where it would be. Seems to me we don't need to extend the stadium as (apart for the big teams) we can't sell out as it is. Would like to see an upgrade to the kop. The extension seems best to me - but only as we steadily grow our fan base!

That's what we've always done though. And it's meant that the ground is tightly packed in, and no one would ever design it the way it is.., especially with ample space for good builds as we had (and still have)

If we extend the kop, it'll be that for good, pretty much. They'll never want to demolish new work.

I suppose I can't get my head around people just wanting more capacity now and on the cheap. It's shite. It's built on the angle at which was fine for terracing and was a superb kop. But it's not a proper stand.

Look at how much room is behind it! We could fit a smaller Spurs type kop in, no problem.

 

[bromtom]

Are there height restrictions on our ground other than John Street? Do we have air rights like New York?

People say if we rebuilt with a steeper rake there'd be less capacity, but rebuild it taller then the footprint is smaller with the same amount of seats and better views.

It all depends on money, I'm sure if we had a shit ton to throw at it, we could get it done without it affecting our capacity, or minimally. Build back to front, concourse areas and a new cantilever roof first as a standalone building, and then at the end of the season, trash the old one and put the new terrace in and connect it up.

 

[blade67]

I don’t understand your point, or at least I hope it’s not what I think it is.

We haven’t traditionally had 40,000 supporters so we won’t in future. Have a bit of ambition, there’s no reason we couldn’t if someone comes in with a real strategy.

Indeed, there is no reason why we can't expand our support base and that will have benefits for decades to come.

I think the challenge is to significantly increase our conference and hospitality capacity at the same time as adding seats because that is where United have been behind many other clubs and it provides higher revenues and also provides a 7 day income. That is how the club can justify the expenditure.

For that reason I'd be building a 2nd tier on the south stand before I got to work on the kop. The kop obviously needs an upgrade but whilst it continues to be full every week it makes more economic sense to add a row of exec boxes, expand the lounge areas on that side of the ground and add 3-4000 extra seats in an upper tier all at the same time.

The kop can wait.

 

[Tom Bott]

how big could you build BL?

As big as Hillsborough 39 K, with 16,000 empty seats for their last home game.

As big as The Stadium Of Light 49 K, with 20,000 empty seats for their last game.

Is the £ 23 million pound debt (plus interest) incurred for building Sunderlands ground in 2000, hampering their ability to escape from the 3rd division ?

I have seen more people on here moaning about the 50p rise in beer and programme prices than people complaining that they can not get tickets.

The main aim for this season is to maintain PL status then the owners can assess the economic viability of rebuilding the ground.

 

[Tony]

As big as Hillsborough 39 K, with 16,000 empty seats for their last home game.

As big as The Stadium Of Light 49 K, with 20,000 empty seats for their last game.

Is the £ 23 million pound debt (plus interest) incurred for building Sunderlands ground in 2000, hampering their ability to escape from the 3rd division ?

I have seen more people on here moaning about the 50p rise in beer and programme prices than people complaining that they can not get tickets.

The main aim for this season is to maintain PL status then the owners can assess the economic viability of rebuilding the ground.

Can remember The Sty with 7000 in a 60000 capacity stadium. Now that was fun.

 

[Tom Bott]

Can remember The Sty with 7000 in a 60000 capacity stadium. Now that was fun.

Did they all have to exit on penis town road. ?

 

[I should coco]

As big as Hillsborough 39 K, with 16,000 empty seats for their last home game.

As big as The Stadium Of Light 49 K, with 20,000 empty seats for their last game.

Is the £ 23 million pound debt (plus interest) incurred for building Sunderlands ground in 2000, hampering their ability to escape from the 3rd division ?

I have seen more people on here moaning about the 50p rise in beer and programme prices than people complaining that they can not get tickets.

The main aim for this season is to maintain PL status then the owners can assess the economic viability of rebuilding the ground.

Yes but you are being 'small time' and a 'little Sheffielder' again. We have plenty of experts swinging their dicks saying how the capacity should be 40k or 45k. Apparently, 'build it and they will come'.

Aside from the question of whose money will pay for it (especially if we go down), we have to show 'ambition'. Just maintaining our PL status for a couple of years is not enough for some.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Can't believe we haven't sold out for Leicester yet.

Oh, wait a minute, yes I can because I don't overestimate how many fans we have.

 

[FMBlade1]

Old Trafford Had More Empty Seats Than The Etihad For Their Opening Home Premier League Fixture

The results make for interesting reading.

www.sportbible.com

18th. Sheffield United

Attendance (vs. Crystal Palace) - 30,197

Capacity - 32,702

Bramall Lane was 92.3% full

 

[BladeInIreland]

Can we get it all listed so it can never change? Don’t like change me. If Sheffield United ever get too big for there boots I’ll be like “ Oi if it’s been good enough for the past 130 years it’s good enough now”. Ambition? What’s wrong with good old fashioned happy wi what we got? I miss the cricket.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Old Trafford Had More Empty Seats Than The Etihad For Their Opening Home Premier League Fixture

The results make for interesting reading.

www.sportbible.com

18th. Sheffield United

Attendance (vs. Crystal Palace) - 30,197

Capacity - 32,702

Bramall Lane was 92.3% full

Yikes. If only we were allowed to sell more season tickets

 

[I should coco]

Can we get it all listed so it can never change? Don’t like change me. If Sheffield United ever get too big for there boots I’ll be like “ Oi if it’s been good enough for the past 130 years it’s good enough now”. Ambition? What’s wrong with good old fashioned happy wi what we got?

Nobody is saying 'no change ever'.

My view is that we need to consolidate our PL position before we can even begin to think about it. I can't honestly say how long that will be, but look at say Stoke, who 3 years ago looked the epitomy of a stable PL side.

I miss the cricket.

Yorks CC historic home was the Lane. We allowed the twats up the M1 to nick our heritage and base it at Headingley, with our indiference.

Just think how much coverage we'd get in the Italian, Spanish and US sporting press, for a modern developed 3 sided ground, where the other bit is devoted to a game they can't begin to understand!

 

[Harry's Game]

If we can confirm safety by March it would be ideal as we can commence the much needed redevelopment of the Kop in time for next season.

If it goes to the wire or we go down then it puts the club in a bit of a rock and a hard place. We don’t need the hassle of having to start next season with 3 or 4 games away from home as the Kop isn’t ready, whatever league we are in.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Nobody is saying 'no change ever'.

My view is that we need to consolidate our PL position before we can even begin to think about it. I can't honestly say how long that will be, but look at say Stoke, who 3 years ago looked the epitomy of a stable PL side.



Yorks CC historic home was the Lane. We allowed the twats up the M1 to nick our heritage and base it at Headingley, with our indiference.

Just think how much coverage we'd get in the Italian, Spanish and US sporting press, for a modern developed 3 sided ground, where the other bit is devoted to a game they can't begin to understand!

My view is unless we get a man city owner we will never be safe, Stoke is a great example. We could be in for ten years and still be under threat of relegation. You need to take advantage of being on top. Grow whilst we’re in the premiership like last time. Become a club that belongs there. In the same way that Newcastle romp the league when they go down. The same way people looked at Villa and knew it was a matter of when.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Nobody is saying 'no change ever'.

My view is that we need to consolidate our PL position before we can even begin to think about it. I can't honestly say how long that will be, but look at say Stoke, who 3 years ago looked the epitomy of a stable PL side.



Yorks CC historic home was the Lane. We allowed the twats up the M1 to nick our heritage and base it at Headingley, with our indiference.

Just think how much coverage we'd get in the Italian, Spanish and US sporting press, for a modern developed 3 sided ground, where the other bit is devoted to a game they can't begin to understand!

We could keep switching between sports to confuse them even more.

 

[I should coco]

My view is unless we get a man city owner we will never be safe, Stoke is a great example.

Agreed, so what are you saying, we build anyway and hope to roll a 6?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Old Trafford Had More Empty Seats Than The Etihad For Their Opening Home Premier League Fixture

The results make for interesting reading.

www.sportbible.com

18th. Sheffield United

Attendance (vs. Crystal Palace) - 30,197

Capacity - 32,702

Bramall Lane was 92.3% full

Can't be right. Someone on here said we were the only PL club that didn't sell out.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Agreed, so what are you saying, we build anyway and hope to roll a 6?

We build whilst the goings are good, it’s the only time we can. McCabe is bang on the money with this, you have to grow whilst you can. Hopefully the new owner/owners are of the same opinion though hopefully with a bit of extra cash to make the move “safer”