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We could increase capacity by a few thousand fairly easily but McCabe wants an office block in the kop/south stand corner. He also wants student flats or whatever behind the other corner which really needs knocking down and starting again but next time do a proper job, no seats with a brick wall in front of them, it was a good idea when the two Nigel's were manager not so with Sir Chris Wilder.
 

We could increase capacity by a few thousand fairly easily but McCabe wants an office block in the kop/south stand corner. He also wants student flats or whatever behind the other corner which really needs knocking down and starting again but next time do a proper job, no seats with a brick wall in front of them, it was a good idea when the two Nigel's were manager not so with Sir Chris Wilder.
Is that true - are their any plans for (or talk of) a block between those two stands?

It wouldn't make sense for a poor fill in, as per the John Street / Kop corner- it delivers very few seats for too much cost, and the stands don't match. I don't think there'd be a sensible economic case for that to be built.

After the kop was rebuilt - different story.
 
I think this is wrong. The plan is to do the Kop if we stay up the first season and do the South Stand if we stay up the second season.
and then sell Tony Currie and drop back down to the 3rd division?
 
There's this assumption that if we go into the PL we can suddenly get fast and loose with the finances whether it be for ground improvements or transfers. We got faster and looser last time we were in the PL and that didn't end well.
 
You are indeed correct but you can piss off with facts on here. :)

My overriding point is we’ve still had good numbers considering the televised games and the nostalgia wearing off for some after the first season back last season. I haven’t looked but I reckon that almost everyone’s attendances will drop off after their first season in a division?

Some people can’t get for one reason or another, I’m not going to state on here or anywhere for that matter that they’re using excuses to not go because why would they need an excuse? If they don’t want to go or can’t go for whatever reason then it’s completely upto them, they’re still Blades.

I posted on here at the beginning of this season, asking where the missing thousands had gone. It was apparent after a few games that something was affecting the attendances. My initial thoughts were that the novelty of being in the Championship had worn off after the first season, which ultimately ended in disappointment. I also thought that it may be down to some fans thinking that this season wasn't going to be as successful as last season ( I was one of them). However, it's none of these things. It's something that has happened to many clubs and it's down to increased televising of games (red button).

Apparently, the Championship clubs get £100k per televised home game from the TV companies. So, if gates are say, 3,000 down for a particular match because it's on telly, then you take that number, 3,000 and multiply it by an average cost of a ticket (bear in mind some are free, some are concession, so let's take £20 as being an average price, just for sake of argument), that's 3,000 x £20 -=£60,000 loss on gate receipts. But Sky have given the club £100k - so the club are quids in! Why should the club worry if attendances are down, if they are being compensated for it and making more of a profit on that than they would by fans coming through the turnstiles?

As I pointed out on another post in the past few days...this is the thin end of the wedge. I think that TV will eventually kill the game, as we know it, for those supporters who like to go and watch it live. But there's another disturbing aspect to this as well, and that's the new generation of folks that are growing up today and their obsession with "screens". Screens, whether they be phone or ipad or X-box or PS4 and (to a lesser extent) TV, dominate many young people's lives. I heard something the other day on radio I think it was, and they'd asked young people what their idea of a perfect day was, and the majority referred to activities involving watching screens of some sort of other.

It reminds me of a book I once read at school, about the future, called, "The Machine Stops" by E. M. Forster. It tells the tale of human life in the future where people's lives are ruled by a machine. People live in isolation. They don't travel anywhere and they communicate via the machine. Eventually, the machine collapses and brings the whole of human civilisation down with it - and the two central characters in the story realise, just before they die, that connection to the natural world is what matters and living their lives, subservient to the machine, was a huge mistake.

What has any of this got to do with increasing the capacity at Bramall lane? Simply this, I'd love our club to remain a "proper" football club. We are a bit unusual in so much as we depend more on supporters paying at the turnstiles than any other club at this level. So, let's try and hold onto that, and let's make the most of it. Let's make it a really exceptional matchday experience for our fans attending the game. Let's fill the place to the rafters and attract even bigger crowds - because to do so will be to zig, whilst most others are zagging. And that might just be the thing that saves the game of football for the common man.
 
I posted on here at the beginning of this season, asking where the missing thousands had gone. It was apparent after a few games that something was affecting the attendances. My initial thoughts were that the novelty of being in the Championship had worn off after the first season, which ultimately ended in disappointment. I also thought that it may be down to some fans thinking that this season wasn't going to be as successful as last season ( I was one of them). However, it's none of these things. It's something that has happened to many clubs and it's down to increased televising of games (red button).

Apparently, the Championship clubs get £100k per televised home game from the TV companies. So, if gates are say, 3,000 down for a particular match because it's on telly, then you take that number, 3,000 and multiply it by an average cost of a ticket (bear in mind some are free, some are concession, so let's take £20 as being an average price, just for sake of argument), that's 3,000 x £20 -=£60,000 loss on gate receipts. But Sky have given the club £100k - so the club are quids in! Why should the club worry if attendances are down, if they are being compensated for it and making more of a profit on that than they would by fans coming through the turnstiles?

As I pointed out on another post in the past few days...this is the thin end of the wedge. I think that TV will eventually kill the game, as we know it, for those supporters who like to go and watch it live. But there's another disturbing aspect to this as well, and that's the new generation of folks that are growing up today and their obsession with "screens". Screens, whether they be phone or ipad or X-box or PS4 and (to a lesser extent) TV, dominate many young people's lives. I heard something the other day on radio I think it was, and they'd asked young people what their idea of a perfect day was, and the majority referred to activities involving watching screens of some sort of other.

It reminds me of a book I once read at school, about the future, called, "The Machine Stops" by E. M. Forster. It tells the tale of human life in the future where people's lives are ruled by a machine. People live in isolation. They don't travel anywhere and they communicate via the machine. Eventually, the machine collapses and brings the whole of human civilisation down with it - and the two central characters in the story realise, just before they die, that connection to the natural world is what matters and living their lives, subservient to the machine, was a huge mistake.

What has any of this got to do with increasing the capacity at Bramall lane? Simply this, I'd love our club to remain a "proper" football club. We are a bit unusual in so much as we depend more on supporters paying at the turnstiles than any other club at this level. So, let's try and hold onto that, and let's make the most of it. Let's make it a really exceptional matchday experience for our fans attending the game. Let's fill the place to the rafters and attract even bigger crowds - because to do so will be to zig, whilst most others are zagging. And that might just be the thing that saves the game of football for the common man.
Brilliant!

I personally can’t understand it myself but I don’t begrudge people who prefer to watch it on TV.

Our lass always says to me, it’s on Sky today/tonight so why don’t you watch it at home this time? I nearly rip her head off in an outpouring of rage. :) I much prefer to be there, it’s the whole getting up and ready for it, the day out, having a bevvie or ten with mates, taking the lad to the games. I would miss all this big time if it were to at some point in my life never happen. There’s plenty of time to play on computers or whatever and I put some of it down to parenting because I tell mine to come off it if they already haven’t come off themselves. Some just choose to leave them on it as it’s just easier and people wonder why we have such an obese country.

Is the question to the thread can we make people in our country bigger? :)
 
We could increase capacity by a few thousand fairly easily but McCabe wants an office block in the kop/south stand corner. He also wants student flats or whatever behind the other corner which really needs knocking down and starting again but next time do a proper job, no seats with a brick wall in front of them, it was a good idea when the two Nigel's were manager not so with Sir Chris Wilder.

When you say "the other corner", I presume you mean between JS and the kop? If so, I agree. It's an abortion. Part of the problem was needing to have the exit for the kop under it and the entrance to it that comes from John Street is just bonkers. It's a pathetic design and was piecemeal in it's conception. It's the kop that is totally wrong that led to this abortion of a corner stand and the plans to just add 4K seats on the back is just another pathetic cheap piecemeal add on.

Whilst on the subject - the BLUT was also another error in design, and if someone at the club had designed that right, we wouldn't now have the problems that we do have on Bramall Lane.

Many parts of our "upgrades" could have been designed better by giving kids a load of lego.

Past people thinking of what to do have had no fucking idea and they will make the same mistake with the kop.

We should do nothing to the kop until (hopefully) a few years in the Prem means we can do it properly, and that means dropping the lot and starting again on concrete and not a load of earth with shitty weeds growing at the back of it - are you listening United? do it properly !!!!

UTB
 
Brilliant!

I personally can’t understand it myself but I don’t begrudge people who prefer to watch it on TV.

Our lass always says to me, it’s on Sky today/tonight so why don’t you watch it at home this time? I nearly rip her head off in an outpouring of rage. :) I much prefer to be there, it’s the whole getting up and ready for it, the day out, having a bevvie or ten with mates, taking the lad to the games. I would miss all this big time if it were to at some point in my life never happen. There’s plenty of time to play on computers or whatever and I put some of it down to parenting because I tell mine to come off it if they already haven’t come off themselves. Some just choose to leave them on it as it’s just easier and people wonder why we have such an obese country.

Is the question to the thread can we make people in our country bigger? :)

100% this, thankfully the ticket prices are affordable as the club sees the value in us attending matches and work very hard with offers for schools and groups. Where does watching a match on tv compare to actually being there?? You can have your UHD, nothing beats being at the Lane seeing the whole game, the atmosphere and everything that goes with it. Kids football is huge in this area, they can learn a lot by watching real football, seeing the movement of players, I tell Dads in my lads team to get to a match and take their sons (no girls in our team). The boys minds are like sponges at this age and they learn from what they see.

Also, going to match with my lad every week is becoming part of his growing up, just like my Dad has done with me
 
An enclosed Kop where you don't graze your knees on the seat in front, your view isn't obstructed by pillars or the fact that person sat in front is wearing a bobble hat and you don't have to queue for 20 mins for refreshments.

Not bothered about anything else.
 
Don't see the point of this and some of the negative pig replies. The last time we were in the Prem we had 97% capacity and 99% home capacity. As no one has seen a successful Blades team or one that's had a good run in the Prem, then it can't be said how big a ground we'd need. Personally, I think this club could erupt with a good/great team and should be looking at 45000 capacity. In the Prem at least 6/7 fixtures would fill/nearly fill the ground.
 
When you say "the other corner", I presume you mean between JS and the kop? If so, I agree. It's an abortion. Part of the problem was needing to have the exit for the kop under it and the entrance to it that comes from John Street is just bonkers. It's a pathetic design and was piecemeal in it's conception. It's the kop that is totally wrong that led to this abortion of a corner stand and the plans to just add 4K seats on the back is just another pathetic cheap piecemeal add on.

Whilst on the subject - the BLUT was also another error in design, and if someone at the club had designed that right, we wouldn't now have the problems that we do have on Bramall Lane.
It would also put an abrupt halt to floating support, potential supporters, students attending any of our games for at least 2 years.

Many parts of our "upgrades" could have been designed better by giving kids a load of lego.

Past people thinking of what to do have had no fucking idea and they will make the same mistake with the kop.

We should do nothing to the kop until (hopefully) a few years in the Prem means we can do it properly, and that means dropping the lot and starting again on concrete and not a load of earth with shitty weeds growing at the back of it - are you listening United? do it properly !!!!

UTB

Sounds good....so are you happy to stop going to Bramall Lane for a full 2 years?
There’s a real risk that some of our previously loyal fans get out of the habit, find something else to do and never return. It would put an abrupt halt on floating support, potential support, students from attending a single home game for at least 2 years.

Remember if we re-do the whole Kop, the capacity would be 20,000 for a minimum 2 years.
That’s 17,000 home fans with 3000 away fans, the PL won’t allow any club to give away fans less than 3000 or 10% of the capacity, which ever is lower. So we;d be obliged to give away fans 2000 in the lower tier meaning 1000 seats would be wasted due to segregation. Assume we give away clubs the full 3000.

Alternatively we could have a raffle system for those 17,000 home seats but you can guarantee whatever we do regarding a total rebuild it will seriously piss off many life long fans when it dawns on them they may miss loads of home games.
 
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Sounds good....so are you happy to stop going to Bramall Lane for a full 2 years?
There’s a real risk that some of our previously loyal fans get out of the habit, find something else to do and never return. It would put an abrupt halt on floating support, potential support, students from attending a single home game for at least 2 years.

Remember if we re-do the whole Kop, the capacity would be 20,000 for a minimum 2 years.
That’s 17,000 home fans with 3000 away fans, the PL won’t allow any club to give away fans less than 3000 or 10% of the capacity, which ever is lower. So we;d be obliged to give away fans 2000 in the lower tier meaning 1000 seats would be wasted due to segregation. Assume we give away clubs the full 3000.

Alternatively we could have a raffle system for those 17,000 home seats but you can guarantee whatever we do regarding a total rebuild it will seriously piss off many life long fans when it dawns on them they may miss loads of home games.

I seriously doubt it would take 2 years maybe 6 months
 
Would it actually take 2 full seasons to rebuild the kop, seems a long time to me, perhaps 1 season of closure
I am sure we would be able to limit away fans to the Puka pie corner if the kop is closed
I think it’s a priority to do the kop first with proper seating, bars, restaurants and toilets
 
But what's 'established'. Teams like Burnley, Southampton, Bournemouth etc. have 3-5 years 'in the sun' before the system reels them back to reality.

None of them have been "reeled back to reality" yet.

If we dont need a bigger stadium,we certainly could do with a more comfortable stadium (ie Kop),redevelop it in its entirety not the quick fix that is in the pipeline.

It doesn't need to be much bigger but it needs smartening up, Kop and Cherry St especially. Can't do much about John St.

Would be nice, but there's no financial incentive to do so.
 
Would it actually take 2 full seasons to rebuild the kop, seems a long time to me, perhaps 1 season of closure
I am sure we would be able to limit away fans to the Puka pie corner if the kop is closed
I think it’s a priority to do the kop first with proper seating, bars, restaurants and toilets

The bolt on design was reported as taking 1 full season to complete with the removal of the posts down during the Summer.
There would be minimal disruption to fans with a slight reduction in capacity for 1 season.

The alternative of building a totally new stand would mean removing the current stand, flattening the land, removing tons of soil, putting in foundations and rebuilding a new stand was reported as taking 2 seasons with a reduction of home capacity to <20K.
 
Would it actually take 2 full seasons to rebuild the kop, seems a long time to me, perhaps 1 season of closure
I am sure we would be able to limit away fans to the Puka pie corner if the kop is closed
I think it’s a priority to do the kop first with proper seating, bars, restaurants and toilets

If stadium capacity is reduced to 20,000 then we MUST allocate a minimum of 10%, 2,000 tickets to away fans.
The Pukka Pie corner only hold about 900, with possibly 100 of those seats restricted view.
There’s no way the PL would grant us permission to only give away clubs 800 tickets, it’s against their rules and would be unfair to away fans. Also don’t believe the Saftety Committee would allow away fans in an area so close to the Kop and family stand,

There would be no choice but to give away fans the full 2000 on the bottom tier but then there would be 990 empty seats on there which due to safety couldn’t be used by home fans. So guess we’d give away fans the full 2,990,seats in the lower tier leaving about 17,000 seats for home fans.

Also even with much cheaper the bolt on design the plan is to massively upgrade the concourse arrears, bigger better bars/ toilets, removal of all posts and the 3,200 extra seats at the back will have a steeper rake with slightly more room.
 
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There's no need for a bigger stadium unless you're consistently selling out.

When was the last time we were consistently selling out?

It's never happened in my lifetime.

If we got promoted, we'll need a bigger Kop in my view. We averaged 30,000 last time we were there and we averaged 23,650 when we got promoted, whereas this season, it'll be more like 26-27,000, so in theory, our fan base has increased and I think 35,000 would be about right for now.

It would be great to get rid of the pillars from the Kop too.
 
If stadium capacity is reduced to 20,000 then we MUST allocate a minimum of 10%, 2,000 tickets to away fans.
The Pukka Pie corner only hold about 900, with possibly 100 of those seats restricted view.
There’s no way the PL would grant us permission to only give away clubs 800 tickets, it’s against their rules and would be unfair to away fans. Also don’t believe the Saftety Committee would allow away fans in an area so close to the Kop and family stand,

There would be no choice but to give away fans the full 2000 on the bottom tier but then there would be 990 empty seats on there which due to safety couldn’t be used by home fans. So guess we’d give away fans the full 2,990,seats in the lower tier leaving about 17,000 seats for home fans.

Also even with much cheaper the bolt on design the plan is to massively upgrade the concourse arrears, bigger better bars/ toilets, removal of all posts and the 3,200 extra seats at the back will have a steeper rake with slightly more room.

Is the existing Kop to remain in terms of the concrete strata? I ask because I'd love us to have more leg room on the Kop, not just for the new section at the back.
 
Is that true - are their any plans for (or talk of) a block between those two stands?

It wouldn't make sense for a poor fill in, as per the John Street / Kop corner- it delivers very few seats for too much cost, and the stands don't match. I don't think there'd be a sensible economic case for that to be built.

After the kop was rebuilt - different story.
There you go in all it's glory .............
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/shef...h-could-take-capacity-beyond-40-000-1-8968704
 

No refurb or ‘smartening up’ is done for financial incentive.

Not strictly true, as refurbing facilities such as a corporate hospitality would have a financial upside.

My original point was that we shouldn't expect any renovations to the kop unless there's a monetary reason to do so.
 

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