CONFIRMED Callum Robinson joins West Brom on loan

[Carlton Blade]

He's struggled in every game.

He's at full stretch to make any decent contributions.

Many are seeing what they want to see.

Much the same goes for McBurnie too.

We need better than both of these. We don't need to wait 2 years for them to potentially improve.

Mousset and McGoldrick are the benchmark. Robinson and McBurnie are nowhere near it.

A little harsh on McBurnie, but he is well behind the other 2 while being a reasonable contributor. And there has been a marked improvement at least.

I really want Robinson to do well, you're right about that. But it's worrying how little he's involved and how poor he looks physically

 

[Cheesebored]

Just out of interest how many goals and assists does Robinson have against minutes played? Genuine question this no agenda

Not enough and less than both wing backs. Genuine answer this, no agenda. There's a reason it looks like he's being loaned out. Nothing against the lad, I think he's being asked to play out of position but as a physical specimen he's not at the races I'm afraid.

 

[raimond]

Just saying, someone not playing well doesn't mean they're shit, not up to it, "I never rated him", "get rid" etc etc, it just means they're not playing well. He might not have settled yet, had confidence hit, whatever, doesn't mean he won't come good.

Eg Coutts, Lundstram, Enda

 

[Houso]

The McBurnie hate is odd IMO. Particularly as he's been playing well of late and two of his goals directly resulted in 4 points.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Not enough and less than both wing backs. Genuine answer this, no agenda. There's a reason it looks like he's being loaned out. Nothing against the lad, I think he's being asked to play out of position but as a physical specimen he's not at the races I'm afraid.

Mate slightly unnecessary dig there, I was genuinely asking because I wasn’t sure.
Not too fair a comparison to George and Enda too because they have both been ever presents.

 

[Danny_Blade]

I wasn't totally convinced in the Robinson signing because he never impressed me at Preston to the level that I thought he could be a PL player, but that said, I'd not studied him much. He's still young and has time to improve, but a loan back to Preston could well be a likely move. In his defence he's played well at times this season - Chelsea away and Man U at home spring to mind; the latter when he set up McBurnie brilliantly.

Completely agree.

And if he's not loaned back to PNE then let's hope its to another of the Pigs Play Off competitors

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He's struggled in every game.

He's at full stretch to make any decent contributions.

Many are seeing what they want to see.

Much the same goes for McBurnie too.

We need better than both of these. We don't need to wait 2 years for them to potentially improve.

Mousset and McGoldrick are the benchmark. Robinson and McBurnie are nowhere near it.

Completely disagree on McBurnie. He's improving & contributing. A good pre-season & he'll be a big player for us next season. A good age, plenty of time to improve.

I'm struggling with Robinson though. He doesn't work in our system & I don't see enough positives in his game to justify persisting with him. If we can get a good deal I'd be tempted. A makeweight for Watkins, or Eze if Wilder rates them.

 

[Akinbiyi]

What if no other team sees him as a striker? Preston didn't.

Then he won't be going anywhere

 

[Akinbiyi]

He's struggled in every game.

He's at full stretch to make any decent contributions.

Many are seeing what they want to see.

Much the same goes for McBurnie too.

We need better than both of these. We don't need to wait 2 years for them to potentially improve.

Mousset and McGoldrick are the benchmark. Robinson and McBurnie are nowhere near it.

I can agree on Robinson but not on McBurnie. He's the only striker who's scored since the Wolves game, getting us 3 points at Brighton.
His physicality has improved as we saw at Brighton and he's the best finisher at the club.

I find it an odd time to say he's 'nowhere near' the benchmark, all things considered.

 

[Torrix1889]

It's all about expectations.....

Moose can do no wrong but probably doesn't work as hard as McB who grafts but gets pelters….is it the price-tag maybe or that McB was fairly prolific at Championship level and Moose appeared to be a gamble? Or that McB is a bit flash and Moose, (despite owning a bright orange Lambo) is a very likeable guy?

Then you have Didzy, who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo yet has his name sung loudly at every game. Yes Didzy's workrate is phenomenal but McB gets through a lot of work as well and certainly more than Moose but still gets pelters...

Sharp spends most of the time on his arse with his hands in the air after being almost constantly knocked off the ball but yet he is still the messiah and there are thousands screaming for him to start every game.

Then there is Robinson..........................who is just very poor.

All things considered we need something else up top this Jan and I would view this as a priority over any other position.

 

[YES Blade]

I can agree on Robinson but not on McBurnie. He's the only striker who's scored since the Wolves game, getting us 3 points at Brighton.
His physicality has improved as we saw at Brighton and he's the best finisher at the club.

I find it an odd time to say he's 'nowhere near' the benchmark, all things considered.

I personally see McBurnie's performance this season as similar standard to Mousset, he's played a similar amount of time and has only 2 less goals. I think because Moose has the exciting, eye catching pace, he's been taken to by the fans more than McBurnie.

 

[Balham]

He's struggled in every game.

He's at full stretch to make any decent contributions.

Many are seeing what they want to see.

Much the same goes for McBurnie too.

We need better than both of these. We don't need to wait 2 years for them to potentially improve.

Mousset and McGoldrick are the benchmark. Robinson and McBurnie are nowhere near it.

Including your good self when it comes to McBurnie, it would seem. He played well at Brighton and was decent against Watford where he would have scored had pretty much any other PL keeper been in Watford's goal.

 

[Ricky]

'Playing well' for McBurnie seems to mean not getting knocked off the ball a couple of times and winning the odd header.

Playing well for Mousset means single handedly giving us a threat, an outlet and making things happen on his own.

Effort and performance level is one thing, ability and impact is another.

McBurnie might have improved and scored a good goal at Brighton but he's not at the level we need currently and I'm not confident he'll get there.

 

[William]

Not enough and less than both wing backs. Genuine answer this, no agenda.

STAT CHECK

Robinson: 641 mins, 1 assist (641mins per assist), 1 goal (641 mins per goal)
Stevens: 1800 mins, 2 assist (900 mins per assist), 1 goal (1800 mins per goal)
Baldock: 1800 mins, 3 assist (600 mins per assist), 2 goals, (900 mins per goal)

Baldock has slightly more assists that Robinson per minute, but other than that Robinson creates more than our wingbacks per minute of football played in the premier league.

Source: The Internet

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

STAT CHECK

Robinson: 641 mins, 1 assist (641mins per assist), 1 goal (641 mins per goal)
Stevens: 1800 mins, 2 assist (900 mins per assist), 1 goal (1800 mins per goal)
Baldock: 1800 mins, 3 assist (600 mins per assist), 2 goals, (900 mins per goal)

Baldock has slightly more assists that Robinson per minute, but other than that Robinson creates more than our wingbacks per minute of football played in the premier league.

Source: The Internet

Robinson probably has more Assists than John Egan too.

 

[Grizzly blade]

STAT CHECK

Robinson: 641 mins, 1 assist (641mins per assist), 1 goal (641 mins per goal)
Stevens: 1800 mins, 2 assist (900 mins per assist), 1 goal (1800 mins per goal)
Baldock: 1800 mins, 3 assist (600 mins per assist), 2 goals, (900 mins per goal)

Baldock has slightly more assists that Robinson per minute, but other than that Robinson creates more than our wingbacks per minute of football played in the premier league.

Source: The Internet

I think if you’re going to compare our full backs with a striker on creativity, you perhaps also should include his defensive stats.
All those stats did to me was highlight how little he has contributed.
Either way, I prefer to use my own eyes to make my mind up and sadly Robinson is nowhere near good enough to impact with United this season. Maybe in a year or two but now he’s miles off.

He needs to be playing at this stage of his development so he’s best going out on loan while Wilder finds another Mousset, or a scoring version of Didsy.

 

[Pedro Verde]

he's the best finisher at the club

That is Sharp not McBurnie

 

[William]

I think if you’re going to compare our full backs with a striker on creativity, you perhaps also should include his defensive stats.
All those stats did to me was highlight how little he has contributed.
Either way, I prefer to use my own eyes to make my mind up and sadly Robinson is nowhere near good enough to impact with United this season. Maybe in a year or two but now he’s miles off.

He needs to be playing at this stage of his development so he’s best going out on loan while Wilder finds another Mousset, or a scoring version of Didsy.

Oh yeah, completely agree. He's not done enough for me either when compared to other options. I was just pointing out that to say he has less assists than both wing backs per minutes played is wrong so it seemed a pointless thing to bring up.

 

[Akinbiyi]

That is Sharp not McBurnie

In your opinion. I'd have to disagree, based on this season alone. McBurnie has gobbled up every proper chance he's got, including one disallowed, and even forced a save from the keeper with his half chances.

Billy couldn't miss the one at Bournemouth and squandered a great chance against Burnley when 1 on 1 with the keeper.

If I wanted a chance to fall to anyone at the club it's not even a question for me.

 

[Pedro Verde]

In your opinion. I'd have to disagree, based on this season alone. McBurnie has gobbled up every proper chance he's got, including one disallowed, and even forced a save from the keeper with his half chances.

Billy couldn't miss the one at Bournemouth and squandered a great chance against Burnley when 1 on 1 with the keeper.

If I wanted a chance to fall to anyone at the club it's not even a question for me.

So based on Billy missing a 1 on 1 and him scoring one he couldnt miss Mc Burnie is the best finisher at the club
Billy has had very few minutes on the pitch and as you know you need game time to bring you up to speed
I stand by original opinion Billy is the best finisher at the club

 

[Akinbiyi]

So based on Billy missing a 1 on 1 and him scoring one he couldnt miss Mc Burnie is the best finisher at the club
Billy has had very few minutes on the pitch and as you know you need game time to bring you up to speed
I stand by original opinion Billy is the best finisher at the club

Highlighted the key word for you there.

Billy wouldn't have scored that any of the goals Oli has scored so far and I'd say that's fact rather than opinion

 

[Pedro Verde]

Highlighted the key word for you there.

Billy wouldn't have scored that any of the goals Oli has scored so far and I'd say that's fact rather than opinion

How can you conclude that it is fact. Just because you say so doesnt make it true
Nobody knows, Ive seen enough of Billy over the years and he was very unlucky with that header at City and that is a fact

 

[S40BLADE]

Still don't get why we play him upfront when he was so much better playing in off the left in the 2nd half at Chelsea. Allowing him to drive at the opposition, he has never been the type of player to stand with his back to the goal.

 

[Akinbiyi]

How can you conclude that it is fact. Just because you say so doesnt make it true
Nobody knows, Ive seen enough of Billy over the years and he was very unlucky with that header at City and that is a fact

There's no way he takes that down against Man United nevermind score it, there's no way he scores that header against Leicester because he just isn't tall enough (and it was an incredible header, something like 0.1xg) and there's no way he wins his own flick on, outmuscles 2 defenders and slots that goal against Brighton into the bottom corner.

Billy's great, but let's not rewrite history here.

 

[DronnieBlade]

How can you conclude that it is fact. Just because you say so doesnt make it true
Nobody knows, Ive seen enough of Billy over the years and he was very unlucky with that header at City and that is a fact

This might help.



Enjoy .

UTB

 

[Cheesebored]

STAT CHECK

Robinson: 641 mins, 1 assist (641mins per assist), 1 goal (641 mins per goal)
Stevens: 1800 mins, 2 assist (900 mins per assist), 1 goal (1800 mins per goal)
Baldock: 1800 mins, 3 assist (600 mins per assist), 2 goals, (900 mins per goal)

Baldock has slightly more assists that Robinson per minute, but other than that Robinson creates more than our wingbacks per minute of football played in the premier league.

Source: The Internet

Thanks. Have you factored in that 2 are primarily defenders and one is a forward? Source: Understanding that internet stats can be read more than one way.

 

[William]

Thanks. Have you factored in that 2 are primarily defenders and one is a forward? Source: Understanding that internet stats can be read more than one way.

OK yeah, I’ve just factored that in now and you’re actually right. Calum Robinson has now scored less goals and assists per minute than both of our wing backs. Not because he actually has, but because he’s a striker (and it suits your agenda).

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

OK yeah, I’ve just factored that in now and you’re actually right. Calum Robinson has now scored less goals and assists per minute than both of our wing backs. Not because he actually has, but because he’s a striker (and it suits your agenda).

I think his point is...why are you comparing goal involvement outputs between a striker and wing backs.

 

[Cheesebored]

OK yeah, I’ve just factored that in now and you’re actually right. Calum Robinson has now scored less goals and assists per minute than both of our wing backs. Not because he actually has, but because he’s a striker (and it suits your agenda).

And doesn't aid yours.

 

[William]

I think his point is...why are you comparing goal involvement outputs between a striker and wing backs.

Because someone else did and what they said wasn’t factually correct. It’s been a slow start to the year, what can I say?