Burnley

[robbiez666]

I did wonder how drunk you were!

As for the OP.

They've finished every other year just out of the relegation spots but also finished 12, 10 and 5 with a Europa League adventure. Not bad for a team who hardly spend big money on signings.

 

[Snowflake]

Not sure of the best thread but it makes you realise what an amazing job Sean Dyche does every season.

We were the dogs back wheels for one season and then, though Wilder would disagree, spent a not unsubstantial amount the following summer.

In the meantime, Burnley casually rocked up One spot behind us on 10th and then had a net spend of a little over a million and have still stayed up with relative ease.

It's not as if they have great depth. They just go with 2 for each position. None of this 6 strikers malarkey we have.

They have an excellent (which we have) keeper in Pope, who is incredibly consistent (which ours wasn't to begin with). The ex-Leeds youngster is his back up Peacok-Farrell. There's another guy called Norris but he never gets a look in.

Ex-Blades Lowton and Bardsley are the right back options. Taylor the ex-Leeds lad and Porters ex-Stoke fill left back. They have a solid centre back pairing of Tarkowski and Meet and easily absorbed Michael Keane's departure. Kevin Long has been there more than a decade as back up along with a young lad, Jimmy Dinner who has been there 4 years. So, plenty of continuity.

The midfield is workmanlike with Jack Cork and Ashley Westwood have been there 4 years, Josh Brownhill, who we looked at from Bristol came in the other year and they took in Stephens from Brighton as their only cash signing to replace Hendrick who went on a Bosman to Newcastle. Out wide they've the highly rated McNeil, being with them since a lad back in 2014, Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson and Robbie Brady for 5 and 4 years and that's it for midfield.

Overall they've only got 22 players including the 3rd keeper.

Up top Chris Wood has been excellent and has been there 4 years, Barnes is a real handful bad been with them for about 7 years. Jay Rodriguez started there and could we'll end there and they still have Vydra on their books since 2018.

It's very much 1 or 2 in or out and who comes in usually replaces one going out.

Makes you wonder whether Chris tried to change too much. For all the dosh he spent on forwards, McGoldrick and Sharp would still be legitimate players.

Typical as they just got splattered by Leeds as I started writing this but doesn't take away from what a great job Dyche has done with them year after year.

You query having 6 strikers but if three are injured and one is struggling to be fit then it’s lucky we have a couple spare !

 

[BushBlade]

The bulk of the Burnley team was assembled before the latest increase in transfer fees, which had jumped again pre-Covid, which can give a slightly distorted picture. They haven’t had to make many big signings over the last four or five seasons. That has enabled them to retain the majority of their players by offering them better contracts, and in doing so, increasing the wage bill.
They’ve also been able to get the best of their resources by playing a fairly basic style of football that doesn’t rely on defenders playing out from the back.

The question is, how much longer can they sustain it without investment? As the players become older, more prone to injury, they’ll have to be replaced. Unless they sell someone, they’re only likely to have around £30-40m available for transfers, at a generous guess that doesn’t really take into account what the leveraged purchase will cost them yearly. Sounds like a lot until you think how much Watkins cost Villa. Or Joelinton cost Newcastle. And they need to start recruiting sooner rather than later.

If they leave it until they need these replacements, when the players they are replacing are too old to contribute regularly, they’ll be relying on players coming in and hitting the ground running. Like we did. If you’re buying from the championship or abroad, you have to allow for them taking time to settle in, particularly if it’s younger players and you’re trying to build for the future.

If they don’t provide Dyche with sufficient funds to start strengthening and start addressing the problems that will occur in one or two seasons down the line, I can see him going. His stock is still high right now and he might still be able to get another PL job, I think he’d be perfect for Palace and a fairly safe appointment for several other clubs who will prioritise staying in the PL over anything else when they come to replacing their manager. If he hangs around without a decent budget, he risks getting relegated and being a championship manager again. He must look at Wilder, and even Allardyce, whose “never been relegated” reputation has been shattered this season and realise that he could be the next.

I’ll be very surprised if Burnley are still in the PL in three years time.

 

[JohnDenver]

The bulk of the Burnley team was assembled before the latest increase in transfer fees, which had jumped again pre-Covid, which can give a slightly distorted picture. They haven’t had to make many big signings over the last four or five seasons. That has enabled them to retain the majority of their players by offering them better contracts, and in doing so, increasing the wage bill.
They’ve also been able to get the best of their resources by playing a fairly basic style of football that doesn’t rely on defenders playing out from the back.

The question is, how much longer can they sustain it without investment? As the players become older, more prone to injury, they’ll have to be replaced. Unless they sell someone, they’re only likely to have around £30-40m available for transfers, at a generous guess that doesn’t really take into account what the leveraged purchase will cost them yearly. Sounds like a lot until you think how much Watkins cost Villa. Or Joelinton cost Newcastle. And they need to start recruiting sooner rather than later.

If they leave it until they need these replacements, when the players they are replacing are too old to contribute regularly, they’ll be relying on players coming in and hitting the ground running. Like we did. If you’re buying from the championship or abroad, you have to allow for them taking time to settle in, particularly if it’s younger players and you’re trying to build for the future.

If they don’t provide Dyche with sufficient funds to start strengthening and start addressing the problems that will occur in one or two seasons down the line, I can see him going. His stock is still high right now and he might still be able to get another PL job, I think he’d be perfect for Palace and a fairly safe appointment for several other clubs who will prioritise staying in the PL over anything else when they come to replacing their manager. If he hangs around without a decent budget, he risks getting relegated and being a championship manager again. He must look at Wilder, and even Allardyce, whose “never been relegated” reputation has been shattered this season and realise that he could be the next.

I’ll be very surprised if Burnley are still in the PL in three years time.

Agree with the above, but all of it underlines how incredibly well they’ve done.

 

[BushBlade]

Agree with the above, but all of it underlines how incredibly well they’ve done.

It does and it all stems from the lucky break they got in a playoff final when the other team didn’t show up. Howe laid some decent foundations before realising he was too nesh for the north west and Dyche has done an excellent job in building on that.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

The bulk of the Burnley team was assembled before the latest increase in transfer fees, which had jumped again pre-Covid, which can give a slightly distorted picture. They haven’t had to make many big signings over the last four or five seasons. That has enabled them to retain the majority of their players by offering them better contracts, and in doing so, increasing the wage bill.
They’ve also been able to get the best of their resources by playing a fairly basic style of football that doesn’t rely on defenders playing out from the back.

The question is, how much longer can they sustain it without investment? As the players become older, more prone to injury, they’ll have to be replaced. Unless they sell someone, they’re only likely to have around £30-40m available for transfers, at a generous guess that doesn’t really take into account what the leveraged purchase will cost them yearly. Sounds like a lot until you think how much Watkins cost Villa. Or Joelinton cost Newcastle. And they need to start recruiting sooner rather than later.

If they leave it until they need these replacements, when the players they are replacing are too old to contribute regularly, they’ll be relying on players coming in and hitting the ground running. Like we did. If you’re buying from the championship or abroad, you have to allow for them taking time to settle in, particularly if it’s younger players and you’re trying to build for the future.

If they don’t provide Dyche with sufficient funds to start strengthening and start addressing the problems that will occur in one or two seasons down the line, I can see him going. His stock is still high right now and he might still be able to get another PL job, I think he’d be perfect for Palace and a fairly safe appointment for several other clubs who will prioritise staying in the PL over anything else when they come to replacing their manager. If he hangs around without a decent budget, he risks getting relegated and being a championship manager again. He must look at Wilder, and even Allardyce, whose “never been relegated” reputation has been shattered this season and realise that he could be the next.

I’ll be very surprised if Burnley are still in the PL in three years time.

People have been saying that for the last 3 years though. You have to take your hat off to the job Dyche has done.

they will keep winning just enough games to stay up while he is there imo.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

You query having 6 strikers but if three are injured and one is struggling to be fit then it’s lucky we have a couple spare !

Not really if it’s at the expense of any midfield or centreback cover. Where one injury in either positions torpedoes the entire season

 

[Rudders]

It does and it all stems from the lucky break they got in a playoff final when the other team didn’t show up. Howe laid some decent foundations before realising he was too nesh for the north west and Dyche has done an excellent job in building on that.

Great analysis of Burnley BushBlade but so frustrating to think about how we didn't build on last season...I hope we get the right manager in next.