Budget for incoming.

[seanbeenstattoo]

It is becoming pretty obvious that Wilder knows what he has available,what might be added based on outgoings,and it's pretty obvious he hasn't as yet been able to land several key signings,(Holmes,Leonard and Lenihan). I'm posting this as based on the contributions from posters who are accountancy based the sell on money has already been "spent" and presumably so has much of what we have taken in the sales of Ramsdale and DCL.
Sean can disabuse me if I'm wrong here.
Therefore as it stands any significant incoming,like a potent striker needs to be matched with further outgoing. Freeman has been mentioned and Brooks remains an ace in the hole.
IF this scenario is correct,it makes a mockery of the "significant investment" claims,unless what Wilder has spent so far is considered as such by the board,or maybe as I and others have said,the sea change in what is spent as routine in this league compared to what it was last time we were here is a huge factor.
Wilder has stated he wants several more players. The next couple of weeks will be very interesting. Maybe not season defining,but possibly a good insight into the actual intent and willingness to fund progress by the owners.

 

[Ricky]

If we had to sell to buy now it would be a joke. But I don't think we do.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

i think we have the money available....i'm just not sure that Wilders views on value for money etc really work in the championship, as very few signings in this league look anywhere near value for money.

 

[pommpey]

Face it, matched with the other significant streams of crap coming out from board level in the past six years, McCabe's 'we'll invest when we are promoted' soundbite was a sop to keep the shiny-eyed evangelists amongst the Blades fanbase sweet, and hopefully keep the cynics quiet.

The only saving grace in all of this is Wilder. I think he will do what he can with what he is left with and that will be fed with 'we are looking at players/fax machine' further bullshit until the trapdoor slams shut in eleven days and we are left wondering what the fuck we are going to do.

It can then go two ways:

1. We 'survive' and Wilder manages to galvanise a Championship side from a team of Div Onners. Hmmm, it's possible, if marginally so. Mind you ... last season.

2. We crash and burn and the calls for Wilder's head become so shrill that McCabe sacks him and his staff, paying off another failed venture, there by ending any real hope we have of remaining I and eventually challenge for future progression to the top flight.

Again, we seemingly have funds available outside of any pledges made from transfer sell-ons (although this remains uncommented on by the club) and have yet to see any real gesture from McCabe et al regarding fulfilling his promise.

So, standby for soundbites, the evangelists getting all increasingly snowflakey and poor old Wilder trying to excuse his lords and masters.

Eleven days to prove me wrong. Clock's ticking.

pompey

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

What makes you think the sell on money has been spent? I've not heard that one before.

 

[Esablade]

...here come the McCabe police....

 

[pommpey]

What makes you think the sell on money has been spent? I've not heard that one before.

Has anything substantial been said about 'sell on money'? At all. By anyone?

Its an assumption touted on here, by us, isn't it? In truth, if I were McCabe, I'd be saying nowt about it either. Not because 'its going in his skyrocket' (as said, I don't think McCabe or ever was crooked) but because if it is 'real', then it's possibly reinvested sorting out other financial aspects of the club. No one has detailed if it is available, how it is paid, over how long, and how much is available to Wilder for team reinforcement. We al assume Walker = £56m therefore us = £5.6m and Maguire - £16m therefore us = £1.6m. Straight away. Cheques in the post. I don't think it is ever that cut-and-dried.

I doubt it is none of the above. I'd be surprised if we get owt, both in sell-on agreements or team strengthening money.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

What makes you think the sell on money has been spent? I've not heard that one before.

That would be from an opinion expressed by myself, although I didn't say "spent" more that it may have been accounted for.

I assumed that the sell on money and increased revenue would cover additional wages based on promotion uplifts, fees on new signings and their wages would put us at break even more or less because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

So that any further spending would need to come from the owners.

So I've not just expressed an opinionI've explained how I've reached it, rather than just say"McCabes had it" like some.

SBT has pretty much summed up what I think.

 

[pommpey]

...here come the McCabe police....

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Not really. We all accepted the 'ooh, it's just out of reach' statement of substantial investment if we get promoted. Back when he made it, it looked like we'd never get there (wasn't it under Adkins, or Clough?)

Must have shit a brick when Wilder rocks up and takes us from zeroes to heroes. Expect he has all the reasons (dressed up as excuses) why we aren't kinda splashing out in the way we'd expect to take on the division above.

I trust Wilder implicitly. I am still not trusting McCabe. There's no 'police' thing asking him if he's going to commit to his promises.

pommpey

 

[Sheffsteel]

The Walker sell on clause was 10% of the profit made by Spurs not 10% of the transfer fee.

Agree though that you would expect Wilder to see the vast majority of that money otherwise there's not been any significant investment as promised when the Prince joined.

If he's changed his plan then there's no reason for the Prince to be here so I suspect that we will see some big money transfers paid either this month or in the January transfer window.

 

[Esablade]

That would be from an opinion expressed by myself, although I didn't say "spent" more that it may have been accounted for.

I assumed that the sell on money and increased revenue would cover additional wages based on promotion uplifts, fees on new signings and their wages would put us at break even more or less because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

So that any further spending would need to come from the owners.

So I've not just expressed an opinionI've explained how I've reached it, rather than just say"McCabes had it" like some.

SBT has pretty much summed up what I think.

#makingshitup

 

[Esablade]

Not really. We all accepted the 'ooh, it's just out of reach' statement of substantial investment if we get promoted. Back when he made it, it looked like we'd never get there (wasn't it under Adkins, or Clough?)

Must have shit a brick when Wilder rocks up and takes us from zeroes to heroes. Expect he has all the reasons (dressed up as excuses) why we aren't kinda splashing out in the way we'd expect to take on the division above.

I trust Wilder implicitly. I am still not trusting McCabe. There's no 'police' thing asking him if he's going to commit to his promises.

pommpey

I was referring more to the poster's who attempt to close down any such discussion on here...

 

[Fulwood Blade]

because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

You do realise that you have just burst the bubble for a lot of our fans who think that running the club comes from McCabes money tree

UTB

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

That would be from an opinion expressed by myself, although I didn't say "spent" more that it may have been accounted for.

I assumed that the sell on money and increased revenue would cover additional wages based on promotion uplifts, fees on new signings and their wages would put us at break even more or less because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

So that any further spending would need to come from the owners.

So I've not just expressed an opinionI've explained how I've reached it, rather than just say"McCabes had it" like some.

SBT has pretty much summed up what I think.

Cheers Sean. So it isn't unreasonable to suggest any new signings require ballancing with outgoings unless the owners are happy to make "extra",not "game changing" investment available.

I'm not interested in slanging matches,just interested on getting near the truth as to what we all as Blades and investors in our own ways can look forward to this year vis a vis the owners willigness to progress our club under our manager.

 

[Blade56]

What makes you think the sell on money has been spent? I've not heard that one before.

That would be from an opinion expressed by myself, although I didn't say "spent" more that it may have been accounted for.

I assumed that the sell on money and increased revenue would cover additional wages based on promotion uplifts, fees on new signings and their wages would put us at break even more or less because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

So that any further spending would need to come from the owners.

So I've not just expressed an opinionI've explained how I've reached it, rather than just say"McCabes had it" like some.

SBT has pretty much summed up what I think.

May be wrong here but I seem to recall last season when pinned down about funding McCabe blamed settlements for the list of failed managers he appointed (in particular Weir). I might be wrong but the mixture of age medication, deafness and being as BladeyMcBladeFace negagative as I can be just to wind posters up could mean I'm making it up when I think it's true. Bit like Sunjihi

 

[Barney]

Face it, matched with the other significant streams of crap coming out from board level in the past six years, McCabe's 'we'll invest when we are promoted' soundbite was a sop to keep the shiny-eyed evangelists amongst the Blades fanbase sweet, and hopefully keep the cynics quiet.

The only saving grace in all of this is Wilder. I think he will do what he can with what he is left with and that will be fed with 'we are looking at players/fax machine' further bullshit until the trapdoor slams shut in eleven days and we are left wondering what the fuck we are going to do.

It can then go two ways:

1. We 'survive' and Wilder manages to galvanise a Championship side from a team of Div Onners. Hmmm, it's possible, if marginally so. Mind you ... last season.

2. We crash and burn and the calls for Wilder's head become so shrill that McCabe sacks him and his staff, paying off another failed venture, there by ending any real hope we have of remaining I and eventually challenge for future progression to the top flight.

Again, we seemingly have funds available outside of any pledges made from transfer sell-ons (although this remains uncommented on by the club) and have yet to see any real gesture from McCabe et al regarding fulfilling his promise.

So, standby for soundbites, the evangelists getting all increasingly snowflakey and poor old Wilder trying to excuse his lords and masters.

Eleven days to prove me wrong. Clock's ticking.

pompey

Money received - at least £6m
Money spent - £2m at the most

I think we should have been investing roughly £5m this transfer window anyway, assuming no windfalls. Then the sell on money comes in and I would've expected us to invest that straight back in to the team too. So in my view we should have been spending circa £11m on the team this window. £5m net investment.

Currently - taking money spent vs money received, we are running at a profit of roughly £4m.

 

[Snowman]

Just a random thought. I wonder what the deal with the Prince is. I can't think he was looking to lose £2mill a year indefinitely. Maybe he wants a chunk back whilst it is there. If it is there of course.

 

[Blade58]

Has anything substantial been said about 'sell on money'? At all. By anyone?

Its an assumption touted on here, by us, isn't it? In truth, if I were McCabe, I'd be saying nowt about it either. Not because 'its going in his skyrocket' (as said, I don't think McCabe or ever was crooked) but because if it is 'real', then it's possibly reinvested sorting out other financial aspects of the club. No one has detailed if it is available, how it is paid, over how long, and how much is available to Wilder for team reinforcement. We al assume Walker = £56m therefore us = £5.6m and Maguire - £16m therefore us = £1.6m. Straight away. Cheques in the post. I don't think it is ever that cut-and-dried.

I doubt it is none of the above. I'd be surprised if we get owt, both in sell-on agreements or team strengthening money.

pommpey

I agree where's £6m gone?

Yes, a small amount in fees

Yes, higher wage bill

But with that also comes extra TV and sponsorship monies and I would expect those two to take care of what we've spent thus far

Add to that players have left, offsetting some of the extra cost incurred

Add to that, whatever the Prince has managed to chuck into the pot (not Liverpool investment but there should be something)

Sorry, but I just don't see the sell on money already spunked.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I was referring more to the poster's who attempt to close down any such discussion on here...

Oh so I'm to assume I'm a McCabe defender, presumably for challenging the "think Liverpool" nonsense?
How's that square off given my question was saying I'd not heard this comment around sell on fees, and was assuming it should be available for Wilder? Do I have to hand my pro Kev badge in now, or do I have to go to the Copthorne to be formally admonished Mr Banks style with a fist through my top hat and my umbrella blown inside out?

 

[bladesrus]

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

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Oh FFS.
That Old Chestnut again.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Just a random thought. I wonder what the deal with the Prince is. I can't think he was looking to lose £2mill a year indefinitely. Maybe he wants a chunk back whilst it is there. If it is there of course.

Double that, more or less.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I agree where's £6m gone?

Yes, a small amount in fees

Yes, higher wage bill

But with that also comes extra TV and sponsorship monies and I would expect those two to take care of what we've spent thus far

Add to that players have left, offsetting some of the extra cost incurred

Add to that, whatever the Prince has managed to chuck into the pot (not Liverpool investment but there should be something)

Sorry, but I just don't see the sell on money already spunked.

Maybe it enables the club to break even so that further investment can mostly be spent on players. I thought I'd explained that above.

Plus has it occurred to you we haven't seen the £6m yet?

 

[wizadry]

If the funds are available for transfers from the sell ons then the board are hardly going to come out and say it in public as that would help to push our transfer fees for players we're bringing in sky high, in short, it would be daft.

As ever, I don't want to hear anything from the board, it's actions that I like to see and we will get to know sooner or later.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Maybe it enables the club to break even so that further investment can mostly be spent on players. I thought I'd explained that above.

Plus has it occurred to you we haven't seen the £6m yet?

Forgive what might be a dumb question,but if we have £6m incoming and the owners won't spend £Xm until it lands in their bank account isn't that pathetic penny pinching?

 

[Blade58]

Maybe it enables the club to break even so that further investment can mostly be spent on players. I thought I'd explained that above.

Plus has it occurred to you we haven't seen the £6m yet?

I'm guessing but would assume we would've received a percentage based on down payments made by Man City and Leicester and if so would enable the club to also make respective down payments for targets

 

[derfblade.3]

The money we are talking about on here is irrelevant. 4 mill? Not worth giving that away. We have players who could be worth half that ammount at the club. One slightly above average player for this league will command 4/5 mill. Keep it in your Wallet Kev unless you are prepared to go gung ho (Wolves like).

 

[SWB]

That would be from an opinion expressed by myself, although I didn't say "spent" more that it may have been accounted for.

I assumed that the sell on money and increased revenue would cover additional wages based on promotion uplifts, fees on new signings and their wages would put us at break even more or less because we've been losing around £5m -ish - a year for a while.

So that any further spending would need to come from the owners.

So I've not just expressed an opinionI've explained how I've reached it, rather than just say"McCabes had it" like some.

SBT has pretty much summed up what I think.

Out of interest do we receive significant increase in finances for being a championship club now, or is it irrelevant. Seem to remember Radio Sheffield mentioning something like £8 M in a discussion.

 

[Woodwardfan]

After a few years on here you come to realise that some want to believe and some want to undermine.

When we are winning the non-believers shut up. When there is half a chance they pipe up almost on cue.

Hey Blades. We'll get what the owners give Wilder, no more no less. If anyone in this world can crack the mold it's Wilder. In the meantime let him sort the job out. Has anyone on here or anywhere seen any slightest sign of Wilder not believing in the owners and the club.

No? Neither have I. Prove otherwise by showing me the quotes.

This club is United whether you like it or not.

 

[sheffielder]

What is the obsession with spending money. I don't care if we get just 3 loans between now and when the windows closes, as long as those players are better than we have already got.

At least there is unity in the dressing room.