Brighton & Blades

[Putney Blade]

Agree with your feelings

But interested to get your take on why our owner is to blame ??

Ultimately owner of any business is responsible for its performance. Good or bad. Not to say Wilder wasn't culpable with signings, but current owner has to take ultimate responsibility for our demise.

 

[steve26272]

Ultimately owner of any business is responsible for its performance. Good or bad. Not to say Wilder wasn't culpable with signings, but current owner has to take ultimate responsibility for our demise.

Agree, to a point

But our failings have to be accepted as a collective

The players - fought so admirably to get us up and take us to our pre-pandemic position, then suddenly return imitations of themselves and didnt seem to have any fight

CW - the ‘we will give anyone a go’ & ‘100% commitment is a given’ is replaced by ‘we can’t compete’ & ‘the players aren’t good enough’. He fought the board for players, which is fine when they come off, but the more he spent the shitter he became at spotting a player. Ultimately self imploded, took £4m and his career hadn’t recovered.

The board - believed the hype, no one sensed checked the decisions. Took a loan against next years money, meaning if we went down the benefit of parachute payment was negated. But Princes biggest failing, and this is where I have sympathy for him, was been too loyal to the man that gave him success, CW. He should have sacked him/accepted resignation last November when it became clear he was loosing it. To tell a manager of a top level club ‘you can loose every game and not be sacked’ is crazy.

Criticising the board for been too loyal is true, but harsh.

CW was such a talisman that the board and his players were mesmerised, great when it was going good. Blind faith when they couldn’t see the car crash in front of them.

 

[reedy63]

Spending the parachute payments before the money in the bank is not good business.
Robbing peter to paul will catch you out in the end. when the transfer window opens in January.
no money for transfers will bear those out.no real assets. who s going to buy players who have been out injured.
In bad form. That is maybe why Wilder gave up his dream job. this has happened before Spackman walked.
Our current manager could do the same. this is speculation I know just my humble opinion.

 

[sufcboy95]

Receiving the best wages wasn’t his main incentive….he wanted to stay close to London….the area he knows and likes.
We needed to pay much higher than Brighton were offering to tempt him.
Palace and Brighton were always likely to be his first choice.

Not being able to/willing to pay big wages is one of the reasons we are where we are now though.
If you replace Mcburnie, Brewster, Bogle, Lowe with Maupay, Watkins, Cash and Robinson (Wigan lad), which we was in for but wouldn’t match the wages we wouldn’t be where we are now

 

[BouncinBlade]

Disagree Brighton are a bigger club than us now, we just have to get used to it.

What’s all the hype about been a ‘big club’ anyway. Isn’t it more important to be a smart, exciting that has the right aspirations to succeed. I believe we have.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Yes fair enough.
But let’s take transfers as an example.

Yes some of wilders purchases look pretty poor now. But we don’t know who else he was after and why those deals didn’t happen. And the Prince is hardly likely to admit any blame for deals that went wrong while Wilder can’t give his reasoning for example buying a load of dud strikers and no CB’s.
Maybe down to him cocking up sure, but we just don’t know.

Your pushing against an open door regarding transfers WYB
No manager gets it right 100% of the time so it’s a bit hit and miss some will be good others won’t be
Mcburnie-Moose first season back looked like bargains
Making Brewster our Nu1 target and letting his parent club no about it to bump up the price was a bit silly in my book I still hope he comes good btw
Our major mistake was not replacing JOC
He makes Egan and Stevens look / play well
in my book
How many times has Egan been caught with a ball over the top from Liverpool in first season up to Blackpool at the weekend
It happened when JOC was back there , but he added a solid presence , particularly in the air
That in my book was Chris’s, the club and the boards major mistake

 

[Bladesince59]

Spending the parachute payments before the money in the bank is not good business.
Robbing peter to paul will catch you out in the end. when the transfer window opens in January.
no money for transfers will bear those out.no real assets. who s going to buy players who have been out injured.
In bad form. That is maybe why Wilder gave up his dream job. this has happened before Spackman walked.
Our current manager could do the same. this is speculation I know just my humble opinion.

If he walks he will be a s desirable as Wilder imo

 

[Keen Blade]

Agree, to a point

But our failings have to be accepted as a collective

The players - fought so admirably to get us up and take us to our pre-pandemic position, then suddenly return imitations of themselves and didnt seem to have any fight

CW - the ‘we will give anyone a go’ & ‘100% commitment is a given’ is replaced by ‘we can’t compete’ & ‘the players aren’t good enough’. He fought the board for players, which is fine when they come off, but the more he spent the shitter he became at spotting a player. Ultimately self imploded, took £4m and his career hadn’t recovered.

The board - believed the hype, no one sensed checked the decisions. Took a loan against next years money, meaning if we went down the benefit of parachute payment was negated. But Princes biggest failing, and this is where I have sympathy for him, was been too loyal to the man that gave him success, CW. He should have sacked him/accepted resignation last November when it became clear he was loosing it. To tell a manager of a top level club ‘you can loose every game and not be sacked’ is crazy.

Criticising the board for been too loyal is true, but harsh.

CW was such a talisman that the board and his players were mesmerised, great when it was going good. Blind faith when they couldn’t see the car crash in front of them.

Spot on mate

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Wilder’s side of events has been put forward, on Twitter by his mates.

I think it’s fair to say that they have been vindicated

Not one permanent signing this summer just loans

Wilder walked but I think it’s fair to assume after been told the summers plans or lack of

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

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[Eyeball]

Brighton we’re prepared to pay big wages, we were not.
Hence why we ended up with Mcburnie and not Maupay

And why they’re 300 million in debt………

 

[Sithblade]

Maupay hasn't been as good as I'd thought he'd be in the PL.
But the biggest sliding doors moment is surely they signed Dan Burn and we didn't.

 

[Plymouthblade]

i remember walking around the Withdean thinking 'there but for the
grace of God go us'
It's a funny old game.

When the ball hits the goal it’s not shearer or Cole it’s Asaba

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Alarming how our fortunes in just under two years have gone in contrasting directions is staggering

1-0 away win at AmEx almost two years ago, put us 5th in the Prem. Wilder afterwards claimed we had ‘structure, organisation, desire.’ Loads of Blade singing with joy on the train afterwards. We thought the good times had returned.

Roll forward.

We are now 17th in the Championship, Brighton are 7th in the Premier (no bigger club than us).

Hard to take. Ultimately owner is to blame.

One thing for sure, don’t now have ‘structure, organisation and desire’.

The good times seem a long long way off reet now

FFS

Oh I remember it so well, How wonderful it was that they open up the concourse bars after match...so forward thinking. We spent a good hour in there singing Que Sera Sera we’re going to Napoli.

 

[Revolution]

I think it’s fair to say that they have been vindicated

Not one permanent signing this summer just loans

Wilder walked but I think it’s fair to assume after been told the summers plans or lack of

Why do you think there’s no money left?

 

[Swinton Blade]

I think it’s fair to say that they have been vindicated

Not one permanent signing this summer just loans

Wilder walked but I think it’s fair to assume after been told the summers plans or lack of

Why would or should he expect to have money to spend following a relegation?

Especially after spending over £100m while in the Premier League.

 

[steveM]

Maupay hasn't been as good as I'd thought he'd be in the PL.
But the biggest sliding doors moment is surely they signed Dan Burn and we didn't.

Pardon? Are you recovering from covid or something ? What nonsense. 14 played this season 6 goals. 84 appearances 24 premier League goals. Still only 25.

 

[Sithblade]

Pardon? Are you recovering from covid or something ? What nonsense. 14 played this season 6 goals. 84 appearances 24 premier League goals. Still only 25.

I was talking about his previous two seasons not this.

 

[Hblockblade]

Pardon? Are you recovering from covid or something ? What nonsense. 14 played this season 6 goals. 84 appearances 24 premier League goals. Still only 25.

Not a very friendly response is it Steve

 

[Westran]

Brighton's owner is worth £1.3b. That's the difference. Whether you like princey or not, he's our owner and we don't have the security of a billion quid to protect against risky decisions

 

[Frank the tank]

Pardon? Are you recovering from covid or something ? What nonsense. 14 played this season 6 goals. 84 appearances 24 premier League goals. Still only 25.

Once the chairman realises that funding 100 m a.season losses is unsustainable Brighton will be back at their natural level of lower leagues but they will have a nice shiny plastic stadium this time round

 

[steveM]

Brighton's owner is worth £1.3b. That's the difference. Whether you like princey or not, he's our owner and we don't have the security of a billion quid to protect against risky decisions

where are you getting that figure from about net worth?

 

[steveM]

Once the chairman realises that funding 100 m a.season losses is unsustainable Brighton will be back at their natural level of lower leagues but they will have a nice shiny plastic stadium this time round

He has just wriiiten off 300 million. I believe converting it to shares. He once said.....You don't buy football clubs to make money. It's just fun and games to him

 

[Westran]

where are you getting that figure from about net worth?

If you Google Tony Bloom net worth it's reported as £1.3b from several different sources.

 

[Hilly]

Brighton's losses since they were promoted puts them in the top 10 of total losses since the PL began 30 yrs ago.
Fair play to the owner but a footballing fairytale it is not..
As a BHA fan I wouldn't care a jot I suppose.

 

[Frank the tank]

He has just wriiiten off 300 million. I believe converting it to shares. He once said.....You don't buy football clubs to make money. It's just fun and games to him

Heard it all before mate then the tap gets turned off and clubs being unsustainably supported to perform at a higher level slink back down from.whence they came

 

[Blacksea]

I think it’s fair to say that they have been vindicated

Not one permanent signing this summer just loans

Wilder walked but I think it’s fair to assume after been told the summers plans or lack of

Wilder wanted the squad to be kept together if it got relegated, he thought it was good enough to get promoted again,as did plenty of fans,the squad has been kept together.As for backing in the summer,Wilder would have made it pretty easy for the board to say to him that did he now think that the big money signings he made that he thought good enough to compete at PL level were not good enough to help get out of the Championship

 

[1066blade]

If we had got Maupay when we had chance instead of ending up with McB and Brewster things might have been different.

How many more times?
Maupay didn't want a northern club. He lives in France and wanted a London or south coast move. Agreed, terrible shame, considering the shite alternative we ended up with. But, never forget, no one held a gun to Wilder's head in doing this shityist of deals.